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[Hero of Legend]

It's totally okay for fyxe or other girls to call Pit hot, but if i even suggested that Zero Suit Samus was hot, i'd be trampled with perverted remarks. Life is wierd...

Samus is hot.

The Master Sword doesn't ahve the blood groove down the middle in any games except Ocarina of Time and the original SSB. Other shots of SSBB show that the Master Sword appears as it does in Wind Waker and SSBM.

Actually, it just looks that way because Link is holding the edge towards the camera. It is still the MS.

Edited by Hero of Legend, 14 May 2006 - 04:53 PM.

[Fyxe]

He's just holding the sword at an angle. I have a crisper image...

The light side is the edge of the blade, the darker shade on the right is the flat part. The other edge is impossible to see. The tip of the blade looks like it's flat on because the edge of the blade merges oddly with the flat part.

Is Pit REALLY 12-ish?

Edited by Fyxe, 14 May 2006 - 04:52 PM.

[Selena]

Sorry Fyxe. Prison for you.

[Fyxe]

Well... Bugger.

Young boys don't mind being, 'played with' by older girls though, do they? Surely that can't be a crime. >.>

*Cough* Besides, that boy puts his life in danger just to save Angel Land, surely if he's old enough to be considered the savior of his world then he's old enough, by their laws, for a bit of sexy sexy? Ahem.

[31-Year-Old-From-Georgia]

It's totally okay for fyxe or other girls to call Pit hot, but if i even suggested that Zero Suit Samus was hot, i'd be trampled with perverted remarks. Life is wierd...

Life?! We're on the internet, boy. Pay attention.

Fyxe, I think Toast got to Pit before you did. >>

Anyway, I hope Meta Knight can be unmasked somehow or another. Who doesn't love giant, blue Kirby with devil wings?

Edited by 14-Year-Old, 14 May 2006 - 05:17 PM.

[Kazi]

I think chaltab is looking a little too much into this. a sword is a sword. when you're hacking your opponents at seven cuts a second, who cares if it has the blood groove?

it doesn't make sense to have link hold multiple swords, or even let you choose which sword to carry, because it's too in-depth for a game like this.

[Fyxe]

Life?! We're on the internet, boy. Pay attention.

Fyxe, I think Toast got to Pit before you did. >>

Anyway, I hope Meta Knight can be unmasked somehow or another. Who doesn't love giant, blue Kirby with devil wings?

I don't think Meta Knight will like it. He appears shocked.

And I shall fight Toast to the death for the right to have sexy sexy with Pit.

I don't doubt Meta Knight will appear unmasked at some point in the game though, either as some a trophy or as an ending of some kind.

Meta Knight is AWESOME by the way. They missed a trick not putting him in Melee, I'm glad they finally got around to adding him.

[Hana-Nezumi]

And I shall fight Toast to the death for the right to have sexy sexy with Pit.

Oh, it's on. =_=

...Or we can share. :]

[Showsni]

Pit was the captain of the personal guard of the goddess of light... Would a 12 year old be in that position? Judging by the manual pictures, I'd guess he's about the same age as Link in LoZ. And Link is probably 15 in LoZ.

And he gets turned into an adult when you complete the game. Or sometimes he gets a nice hat.

Edited by Showsni, 14 May 2006 - 06:55 PM.

[Flint]

Let's keep in mind that unlike other games with realistic characters, this is Nintendo. None of Nintendo's characters, aside from maybe Link can honestly be made to look any better.

There IS a limit to the evolution of graphics. And the more "cartoony" the character (such as Pikachu or Kirby) the sooner you will reach that limit.

What were you guys expecting? To be able to see every single stich in the denim of Mario's overalls? To count the strands of Link's hair, or to see reflections in Samus' suit? Come on guys. The graphics look beautiful as it is.

And Fyxe and toast. Shut up. Please.

Edited by Flint, 14 May 2006 - 07:29 PM.

[D~N]

as a side note: you can see every yellow stitch in Mario's overalls. see: (pic at bottom) http://revolution.ig...7/707504p1.html
^is also a good comparison.

And what is going on with Toast? Isn't Pit a guy, as well as toast? Wasn't this discussion made already? I'm so confused...

Edited by D~N, 14 May 2006 - 07:46 PM.

[Ducci]

I think I posted a picture of my 42" plasma HD TV here awhile ago..

Games run fine on that

[Fyxe]

And Fyxe and toast. Shut up. Please.

Just cos yer not a hot bishy boy like Pit.

Also, if anyone was concerned that normal Samus might not be in the game, artwork of her appears in the press pack along with all the other characters (EXCEPT Pit, annoyingly), so there's an image of her normally aside her as 'Zero Suit Samus', meaning you'll almost certainly still be able to fight in her armour. But then I doubt any of the original 12 characters will disappear from the list.

If anyone disappears, it'll be some of the clone characters. Pichu, Dr. Mario, Falco, Young Link and Roy. I doubt Ganondorf will go anywhere though, and I'd be very surprised if all of the 'clones' disappeared.

Ganondorf will probably actually use his sword this time, at least for an attack or two.

[GJ Skywalker]

No worries about the games for me, but when it comes, the Wii will make my house look outdated.....

....dear god.

And are there new screenshots already? All theses new avatars make me think that there are.

Edited by GJ Skywalker, 14 May 2006 - 07:53 PM.

[Kazi]

falco is my favorite. he is definately NOT a fox clone. much better than fox -- faster, stronger, and jumps higher. if anything, they should can fox.

if falco leaves, I will not play that game ;x;

[Overconfidence]

How can they suddenly become "weak" because of the lack of HD, when they look good even without it? It's not like HD makes huge difference anyway (Nor do I have an HD TV).

Unless I am gravely mistaken, HD is exactly what it says - Higher resolution textures. Not a big deal in my opinion.

Okay.

Standard television runs at 640x480 resolution.

Standard resolution for computer monitors is about 1024x768, as well as computer games.

For comparison, that's 300,000 pixels vs. 780,000 pixels.

A next-gen console should be able to have much better graphics, especially considering it doesn't run HD (High definition is at higher resolution (Making these up but it's around there): 1366x720, which is about 1,000,000 pixels, and 1920x1080, which is about 2,000,000). When pushing such low resolution, the graphics should be better, since there's really less to be displayed.

The entire job of a video processor is to calculate everything and display it - when there's less to be displayed, it's going to stress the card less.

It's not that the textures are higher resolution - you're seeing more pixels, more little dots, much more detail (6-7 times more detail with 640x480 compared to 1920x1080).

My entire point is that because it doesn't have to push better resolutions, the overall quality should be better than it looks.

However, the 360 and PS3 have no trouble with the higher resolutions, since they have so much memory bandwidth (And of course memory quantity) and pixel pipelines.

[Flint]

I wouldn't mind if the clones stayed as long as they were given their own fighting styles.

[Fyxe]

Allow me to add a bunch of pics from the media package, some of you may not have seen them all.

EDIT: Well, nevermind, I'll add them all.

Also, Falco IS a clone character, but that's not to say that playing him is very different from playing Fox.

Little known fact - ALL of the secret characters in the original, not just Luigi, were clones to a degree. Jigglypuff = Kirby, Captain Falcon = Samus, Ness = Mario, again.

Edited by Fyxe, 14 May 2006 - 08:05 PM.

[GJ Skywalker]

Thanks Fyxe.

Man I never noticed how big Pit's feet were!

Edited by GJ Skywalker, 14 May 2006 - 08:11 PM.

[Flint]

Little known fact - ALL of the secret characters in the original, not just Luigi, were clones to a degree. Jigglypuff = Kirby, Captain Falcon = Samus, Ness = Mario, again.

Uh.. no? That's pretty wrong. Jigglypuff and Kirby both float because they're fat. That's their only connection. Captain Falcon isn't anywhere similar to Samus, and all ness has going for him is PK Fire.

[D~N]

I think fyxe is refering to the fact that both of the listed characters share the same fighting polygon model. Also, they have simmilar moves and personalities; like Samus and Camp. C are both bounty hunters with a strong B move, etc.

[Fyxe]

Flint, they're clones from a design standpoint. They're based on each other's character models and share some of the same moves with the exact same animations. For example -

Jigglypuff - A few of her attacks are just like Kirby's, namely her forward Smash, her jumping, obviously, and a few other moves.

Captain F. - The most obvious cloned move is his upwards attack (non-Smash) although some of his other moves are the same, such as a couple of his aerial moves and his dashing move.

Ness - The most changed of all the 'clones'. The most noticable remnant of Mario is his standing punch punch kick combo, but also his forward kicks and his backward kick in the air.

Of course, they all play entirely different, but none of the eight main characters share any moves or animations, while these guys are based on some of the main eight.

Just a few comments on the pics while I'm at it -

1 - Where IS this? I can't work out who's level this is meant to be.

2 - This shot could be taken straight from Twilight Princess.

3 - This whole area screams 'Fire Emblem' to me, but I suppose it might be a location from Twilight Princess. Does anyone recognise the logos from the banners?

4 - Same logo on the outside of the castle. Is this part of one larger level? Also, notice Meta-Knight's logo on his shoulder pad. That's new.

5 - Ow.

6 - Meta-Knight kicking yet more ass on his level.

7 - That ship is the 'Halberd' from Kirby Super Star, for those who don't know. It was Meta-Knight's ship that he used in his attempt to take over Dreamland.

8 - Fwomph.

9 - Pit has remarkably big feet. And you know what that means!

Big sandals.

10 - That is one cool looking rendition of the Halberd. It even appears to have the huge double cannon up top that Kirby destroyed in Revenge of Meta-Knight. Nice touch.

11 - AHKILLITKILLIT.

12 - This attack not at all Final Fantasy influenced.

13 - Nor this one.

Edited by Fyxe, 14 May 2006 - 08:24 PM.

[GJ Skywalker]

.2 is from the same stage you see at .3. The crests are simila to the Daein crest you see at Path of Radiance.

4 - possibly.

For some reason I thought .1 was either a standard level or a Kirby level.

Edited by GJ Skywalker, 14 May 2006 - 08:23 PM.

[DarkJuno]

If the clones instead became different like Luigi is to Mario, it'd be fine.

[GJ Skywalker]

Like how Ken becoame more focused on his Shin and Shoryukens and Ryu became....well Ryu?

[Fyxe]

If the clones instead became different like Luigi is to Mario, it'd be fine.

Yes; the question is whether they'd do what they did with Luigi, or just ditch some of them altogether. I can see Ganondorf changing a lot, and possibly Falco, but I don't know what they can do with Roy, Pichu or Dr. Mario.

Marth might not even be in the game, if that level really IS from Path of Radiance, both Fire Emblem characters may be replaced by newer ones.

I hope not though, they have to at least keep Marth in, because he's the original hero. They could keep Roy in too and just make sure any new FE character isn't a sword user - maybe an axe or magic user. Or one of the transforming characters from Path of Radiance - I see that as fairly likely.

Oh, and before I forget...

falco is my favorite. he is definately NOT a fox clone. much better than fox -- faster, stronger, and jumps higher.

Faster? Stronger, higher jumping, yes, but definitely not faster. He's what Luigi is to Mario in the original Smash Bros.; stronger and better (or rather, higher) jumping but slower and less combo opportunities.

Edited by Fyxe, 14 May 2006 - 08:39 PM.

[Flint]

I'm going to be very disappointed if they don't ditch Pichu. Pikachu, Jigglypuff, and Mewtwo can stay. If they want more pokemon, they need to bring in ones that are suited for fighting, like say, the fighting pokemon? Durrrr

[GJ Skywalker]

Nintendo definitely have the opportunity.

[Fyxe]

Or they could put in Meowth like they SHOULD have done with Melee instead of Pichu.

But we all know they didn't get around to adding everything they wanted to add; hence the whole clone thing.

Hell, there's just so much more you could add to *any* Smash Brothers game. Bowser was meant to be in the original, for instance. Brawl will end up with a bunch of ideas that they never get around to putting in.

Like the Pit strip tease sequence. You KNOW the designers want to add it if they got a chance. You know it.

[Flint]

For the love of god stop it.