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[Hana-Nezumi]

Fyxe got there first, but I couldn't help myself!

Looks like he's trying to sneak up to grab Link's butt. (I don't blame him though <3)

[Fyxe]

Problem is, the game is designed so it's as balanced as it can be as a whole. Add a new character, and not only do you have to add whoever into the game, but you also edit the other characters to some extent to make it balanced. Otherwise the character would just be a bland addition that feels out of place.

A new character every two weeks? That's insane. O.o'' Not only is that an unfeasible amount of work for the creators (creating a whole character in a week would be madness), but any characters they shovelled out at that speed probably wouldn't be worth the effort. Plus you'd end up with an INSANE amount of characters and stages and items and it would all be a bit of a jumbled mess.

Basically, from my experience with 'patches' and such, they're usually for games that are badly balanced, and often the patches cause just as many problems as they're trying to fix. New additions either feel 'forced' into the game or make the old stuff feel obsolite.

Basically, I'd rather have a game without the 'holes' in the first place than set a precedent for releasing unfinished games early, get people to buy them, then never *quite* finish them and leave them always asking for the latest patch to fix whatever's wrong in the last patch.

Patches suck.

Jabba, all the screenshots on the Smash Bros. Dojo are from early gameplay footage, just like all the shots on the old Japanese Smash website. I'm still bugged that they haven't added the shadows yet, though. Oh well, give them time.

Edited by Fyxe, 01 June 2006 - 05:04 PM.

[D~N]

How about this instead: after a years, when we've played every level down to a pulp, they release a handfull, say four or five, new levels for us to play on. It will feel like a new experience.

new characters is a no-no. new levels is a great idea.

[Fyxe]

That sounds fine, really. I don't have anything against adding new things, just as long as it isn't simply for the sake of releasing it early. And as it doesn't break the game. No patches.

Maybe a good thing to release at a later date, for instance, would be the ability to play as boss characters in certain modes.

[D~N]

that would be cool.

and I thought of another one; using the service, allow players to use, i guess you might call them "limited edition" characters. Like a character that didn't make the game, that came out after the game was released, etc. But only for weeks at a time. Sound good?

[Fyxe]

No, that sucks ass and I would murder them for doing that. Forever I would be later wanting to play as that special character we only got to play as for a week.

And what if you miss it? How lame would that be? Rubbish, I say, bah, feh, I spit on that idea and call it stupid thing.

Edited by Fyxe, 01 June 2006 - 06:25 PM.

[D~N]

No, that sucks ass and I would murder them for doing that. Forever I would be later wanting to play as that special character we only got to play as for a week.

And what if you miss it? How lame would that be? Rubbish, I say, bah, feh, I spit on that idea and call it stupid thing.

ah, but that just sparked another idea. Lets say by chance that they choose to do this. They send out, say, Krystal, as the limited edition character, for about a month. People play as her and really like her. So, that's how they would add extra characters! If people like her, they add her. If she's played enough, then they add her permanately.

Just another thought...

[Fyxe]

If they went to the trouble of making a whole new character, I doubt they'd make it limited edition. Too much work. Plus if Krystal was taken away there would be riots.

Everyone would love every new character, anyway, simply cos it'd be a new character so they'd jump at a chance to play as them.

The game has unlockable characters anyway, so I don't see why we need to have extra ones added if they could just add them all at the start...

Anyway, anyone think they'll add the famous 'spotted by guards and the alarm going off' event into Snake's stage? Might make for an interesting dynamic. If a camera spots a player, something happens. Helicopter attack, or something. Dunno exactly how they'd work it but I bet it could be neat...

[Hana-Nezumi]

I just hope all the "special moves" for the characters don't get annoying like the power shots in Mario Power Tennis.


Which, by the way, I checked, and it seems that Peach does wear a thong in the North American version too. Though it was really hard for me to get the camera at an angle where I could see. >_<

Edited by enchantedtoast, 01 June 2006 - 08:23 PM.

[Fyxe]

Since it appears you need to pick up an item to use the moves, I doubt they'll be any more annoying than someone grabbing the Hammer. From what we see of Mario's move, the gameplay doesn't stop while the move is going or anything like that. I expect they'll have their drawbacks, too, like how the Hammer can break in Melee and leave you a sitting duck.

I need to stop posting to much. o.o I better get back to my perverted sexual fantasies about Pit and his big... Feet.

...Oh, and his penis too. Yes.

Edited by Fyxe, 01 June 2006 - 08:36 PM.

[D~N]

ehh, Fyxe, you in this battle. But I won't lose hope; I want them to incorporate Wiiconnect24 somehow...but ah, what the heck.

and yes, thee will clearly be drawbacks to the "grab the logo" super-moves. like how Samus could potentially turn into Zero-Suit Samus temporarily, which is my current theory on how she is playable. Also, Mario could shrink as he does when he gets hit in a platforming game, Link could turn to the Twilight Wolf, Ganon could turn to Ganondorf (assuming you play as ganon most of the time, but that's just my on thing I've been hoping for) and Wario could...get indegestion. XD

and yeah, I've been posting like crazt lately too o.o I need a new videogame. XP *goes off to re-play New Super Mario Bros for the third time*

[Rogue Cucco]

I had an idea for a stage once- Ganon's Tower in TWW. It would start out dry with the Triforce hovering in the backround- 15 seconds later, the Triforce splits all a sudden, and then a waterfall or two comes down forcefully- getting hit by it results in major damage, and touching it (i.e. walking into it or getting knocked into it) sends you flying. More waterfalls come down and things get more wet until about 1 minute later when the place is completely submerged- there's more 'wieghtiness' to it and gyorgs swim through the playable area, knocking characters around, kinda like the Arwings flying through in Star Fox levels. 30 seconds later, the Triforce comes back together, sparkles, and the water rises, and everything is dry again, and it repeats the process.

I also had an idea for Young Zelda, like Young Link, where she can turn into Tetra, a la Sheik. And I also like the idea that Ganondorf could turn into Ganondorf- seems all the Zelda characters have something they can change into.

[Koji]

I agree with Koji.

Everyone else can see this, too, right? I'm not hallucinating, am I? Someone really just agreed with what I had to say?

That sounds fine, really. I don't have anything against adding new things, just as long as it isn't simply for the sake of releasing it early. And as it doesn't break the game.

I never meant that they would add new things because they left it out, I just meant it more as in things they think of/become available later. Example: SSB is starting to include non-Nintendo characters into the mix (Snake) and I know that there are a lot of fans who would like to see more (Sonic). Now, the problem is that a lot of these characters from other companies are going to be held back due to licensing issues. Now, if they leave the door open on SSB for the Wii24Connect service to download new content into the game, characters can be added as the legal issues are resolved. And, if balance is an issue, they can easily release characters two at a time, with stat spikes in opposite areas. And I would set the timeframe between character additions as several months - there's no need for a million new characters by the time the game has run it's course. Although, with the new online mode, who wouldn't like to choose from 50 different characters to battle people from all over the world? No two battles would ever be remotely the same. I'm also kind of hoping that we get an 8-player online mode - could you imagine the chaos?

[Fyxe]

I think you guys are getting your hopes up way too high when it comes to the amount of characters will be in the game. Here's a translated quote from the creator from Smashboards...

"Sorry. I'm not very smart but I can't tell a lie so I'm just going to write it.
As for the previous game's characters, some of them will disappear. Definitely.

For the last game, we struggled to assemble 26 characters. We tried really hard and unintentionally reached that number.

But, although you'll see characters from the last game, this time, on a significant scale [Yes, this is exact], they will be remade. It is this sort of thing [This sentence is slang, so there really isn't a good English translation for it].

For argument's sake, no matter how much staff there is, with just manpower we can’t just put in everything, and as my own job [read: workload] does not decrease, there is a limit.

But, the consumer’s desired things to be included [There really isn’t a good English equivalent for that word] are weeeeell understood. You will be [he doesn’t give a subject to the sentence, so I’m using ‘you’] happy regarding the adapted characters moving around on different stages as well [The email he is responding to complained about how there are only 3 ‘fair’ stages in SSBM].

So, we will once again struggle to create characters. I cannot promise you anything other than that.”

Basically, from a game design standpoint, 50 characters is 'messy'. 26 characters was getting close to messy, what with the clones. In this game, not only is he adding new characters, but they're revamping all the old ones, and he wants any clones this time around to be more unique. This is a LOT of work. He said they are going to struggle hard to put in as many as they feasibly can, but I would suggest you all hang your hopes around a number like 33 rather than some other suggestions of 40 or 50 characters in all.

Heck, they've got the rest of the game to worry about, including a more involved single player game, which may even be unique for every single character. Imagine how much work adding a new character would give them!

Edited by Fyxe, 02 June 2006 - 07:27 AM.

[GJ Skywalker]

And with all this happening, my friends at college STILL ask me why SSBB isn't launch game.

[JRPomazon]

And with all this happening, my friends at college STILL ask me why SSBB isn't launch game.

ANSWER: NINTENDO LIKES TO WATCH US SQUIRM WITH ANTICAPATION.

[GJ Skywalker]

NO! They just want to watch us squirm....squirm like Burnsy...

Edited by GJ Skywalker, 03 June 2006 - 06:30 AM.

[Fyxe]

I present to you, ladies and laddettes of the jury...

The case for Krystal being in Brawl.



I rest my case.

Okay, on another note, in the Smash Bros. Survivor topic 14-Year-Old mentioned about characters Fox and his moves... Rather than take over that topic by discussing that, I'd like to note that Fox's Smash moves came before his SFA appearance. Previously the most we'd seen him do was run around on Corneria or Katina with a bazooka-like blaster. So really, it's a shame Rare never incorperated anything like the Fire Fox into SFA.
I assume that while his regular punches and kicks would be something he'd be able to do in a hand-to-hand situation, his Reflector and Fire Fox moves are some kind of high-tech wizardry. Reflector is obviously a shield developed from Arwing technology but don't ask me how the Fire Fox and Fox Illusion work. ¬.¬ 'Rocket boots' doesn't quite cut it.

The thing is, I can't imagine playing as Fox without the Fire Fox move. Personally I think the moves suit both Fox and Falco well. I say save the staff for Krystal, if she appears. Or, if she isn't in it, I suppose you *could* give Fox the staff and keep the moves working mostly the same, but I quite like the Blaster, and I quite like seeing Fox kick people about without any weapons to help him. Plus there are already a lot of characters in Smash Bros. that use weapons as their primary method of attack (Link, Samus to an extent, Ice Climbers, Marth, Roy, Young Link, Meta Knight, Pit, Zero Suit Samus, and probably Snake). It's nice to have some regular punch and kick characters to counter that (like Mario, Fox, Donkey Kong and Captain Falcon).

Edited by Fyxe, 04 June 2006 - 09:51 PM.

[joeymartin64]

Dammit, I give up. Anyone know where I can find the lyrics?

EDIT: And no YTMND links, please.

Edited by joeymartin64, 06 June 2006 - 11:33 PM.