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[GJ Skywalker]

You really dun wanna know what a size queen is if you don't know... ¬.¬ And if you don't know what a furry is, gods help your innocent mind.

The funny thing is, I was gonna ask but then after reading I thought, 'Maybe I really don't wanna know.'

[Flint]

Off topic much?

[GJ Skywalker]

Sorry, I forgot the original one, which was what? Speculation? Hmm, OK. With the possibility (I'm not sure whether it's fact, I haven't been able to check Smash Bros Dojo) of there being characters being taken out of Smash Bros, does anyone else think of it as buzz for the next Smash Bros after Brawl when the 'missing' characters make their return?

[Fyxe]

It's taken from translations of the Japan-only section on the site, where feedback is sorted out and all that. It's direction from the creator and it seems that one or more of the characters from Melee will not make it, which I am not surprised by. With 26 playable characters in the original and at *least* five new ones, that means 31 characters. That's a *lot*, and doesn't even include non-playable fighters.

I really think some characters will vanish completely, but if you get the game and wonder where the heck Bowser has gone, for instance, there's a good chance the missing character will be hidden. I would be surprised if non-clone characters were taken out.

I call for Orcos to be involved!

Edited by Fyxe, 30 May 2006 - 10:10 AM.

[D~N]

They most likely will take out characters like Pichu (pleeeeeeease not Purin!) and replace them with newer pokemon from Hoen. Also, they may get rid of either Marth or Roy, or posibbly both, and put in one newer, more recent character from Fire Emblem. And I expect the same "take one character clone out of the series, put a newer one in" for other people (perhaps Falco will be replaced by Krystal?)

[GJ Skywalker]

Well no matter what, Ganondorf's moveset has to be changed. I really don't think they should take him out.

[Fyxe]

NO. Replace Roy if you really HAVE to, but not Marth. He was the first hero of Fire Emblem. Marth is the only Fire Emblem hero to play the main character in TWO games. He was the hero of the brief Fire Emblem anime. He's voiced by the guy who voices Zelgadis in Slayers. He's THE Fire Emblem hero.

But there still needs to be more than one FE characters, and if Roy were to be replaced I would hope he would be replaced by the Black Knight from Path of Radiance, or a magic or axe user.

Ganondorf's moveset isn't that bad. He DOES punch in OoT, you know, it's not like they dragged it up from nowhere. But he needs to use that huge sword of his in combination with his punches, and maybe a projectile move or two.

If they put Krystal in the game I will bow down to them and call them gods. I may even play as her nearly as much as Pit. ¬.¬

Edited by Fyxe, 30 May 2006 - 07:07 PM.

[GJ Skywalker]

NO. Replace Roy if you really HAVE to, but not Marth. He was the first hero of Fire Emblem. Marth is the only Fire Emblem hero to play the main character in TWO games. He was the hero of the brief Fire Emblem anime. He's voiced by the guy who voices Zelgadis in Slayers. He's THE Fire Emblem hero.

I understand that about Marth, and the way he plays does make him superior to Roy (that could be seen to some as matter of opinion though). But it was always about stuff like tier lists (even though they could also be seen as a necessity) and how Roy is inferior that drew me towards Roy and made me see the rewards of being adept at his playing style. Guess it's the British mentality of being drawn towards the underdogs.

But there still needs to be more than one FE characters, and if Roy were to be replaced I would hope he would be replaced by the Black Knight from Path of Radiance, or a magic or axe user.

If there were more FE characters to be added instead of others like Roy, the Black Knight could be a possibility but I get the feeling that he would be overpowered. I think we could possibly get Ike but it would be great if Sakurai brought in characters like Hector.

Ganondorf's moveset isn't that bad. He DOES punch in OoT, you know, it's not like they dragged it up from nowhere. But he needs to use that huge sword of his in combination with his punches, and maybe a projectile move or two.

Ganondorf isn't bad I agree, but I also had something similar in mind where Ganondorf incorporates his sword into his attacks and I think that would make for a very interesting and individual playing style and add a new dynamic to whichever match he plays in.

If they put Krystal in the game I will bow down to them and call them gods. I may even play as her nearly as much as Pit. ¬.¬

That I would definitely pay to see!

[Fyxe]

I understand that about Marth, and the way he plays does make him superior to Roy (that could be seen to some as matter of opinion though). But it was always about stuff like tier lists (even though they could also be seen as a necessity) and how Roy is inferior that drew me towards Roy and made me see the rewards of being adept at his playing style. Guess it's the British mentality of being drawn towards the underdogs.

No, I'm with you, I love Roy and play as him more than Marth. I also think 'tiers' are bollocks and impossible to judge accurately and seem more to be based on playing style than the actual ability of the characters. The sort of people who talk about tiers are the sort of people who only ever play as ONE character almost all the time. How can you judge tiers if you barely ever stray from one character? It's madness. The game is far too varied and unpredictable and movesets too unique for tiers to make a reasonable difference. Personally I've always found Yoshi to be utterly devastating but nobody ever talks about him being 'upper tier' or anything.

If there were more FE characters to be added instead of others like Roy, the Black Knight could be a possibility but I get the feeling that he would be overpowered.

You'd think that about Mewtwo but that's the whole point of balancing characters. Pikachu can easily stand up to Mewtwo in Melee, so Marth could easily stand up to the Black Knight in Brawl.

I think we could possibly get Ike but it would be great if Sakurai brought in characters like Hector.

Ike would be a bit too similar to Marth, if Marth was still in. Hector would be cool though. Actually, if a character from Path of Radiance got in, it may be one of the shape-shifting ones.

That I would definitely pay to see!

Furry fans would love it, I assure you. Camera Mode would be abused, especially if she was given her SFA outfit.

Edited by Fyxe, 30 May 2006 - 07:36 PM.

[GJ Skywalker]

No, I'm with you, I love Roy and play as him more than Marth. I also think 'tiers' are bollocks and impossible to judge accurately and seem more to be based on playing style than the actual ability of the characters. The sort of people who talk about tiers are the sort of people who only ever play as ONE character almost all the time. How can you judge tiers if you barely ever stray from one character? It's madness. The game is far too varied and unpredictable and movesets too unique for tiers to make a reasonable difference. Personally I've always found Yoshi to be utterly devastating but nobody ever talks about him being 'upper tier' or anything.

Then we're in agreement!

Ike would be a bit too similar to Marth, if Marth was still in. Hector would be cool though. Actually, if a character from Path of Radiance got in, it may be one of the shape-shifting ones.

With Ike I think they have potential. In Path of Radiance they built up the swordmanship he inherited from his father to be unique and one of a kind, so they could make his character one that is a breath of fresh air from Marth, but being from the same group (swordsmen or swordfighters). And there is also potential with the laguz as you pointed out and I could see there being benefits and drawbacks to both forms (such as added damage to the human form from physical attacks, and added damage to animal forms from elemental damage), but as we all know; it's up to the designers and developers.

Furry fans would love it, I assure you. Camera Mode would be abused, especially if she was given her SFA outfit.

Yeah! I could only imagine the deatail that would be put in to make the fur as one of the more minute cosmetic details added, Wii does have the power after all.

[Mad Scrub]

Roy was my favourite in SSBM. Which Fire Emblem was he in though? If anyone from PoR is going to be in this game then Ike and Stefan have to be two of them. If Laguz characters appear in this game then TP Link should be able to transform into a Wolf too.

[Ken the Wandering Soul]

Who knows? Wolf Link could be a new hidden chracter, maybe in a way similer to how Zero-suit Samus appears.

Roy is from the sixth Fire Emblem game, Fuuin no Tsurugi (Sword of Seals), which was the first GBA FE game. He also made a cameo in FE7: The Blazing Sword, during a cutscene. From what I've heard, he was includedin SSBM to promote FE6.

As for new FE characters, I imagine they could re-costume Marth or Roy to make them other lords from the Fire Emblem series (Alm, Sigurd, Leaf, etc), though it would be nice if they included other chracters. I could se Lyn doing a similer or completely different style from Marth and Roy.

[Fyxe]

Lyn would be splenderific. Again though, she's a sword user. If they were to replace both Marth and Roy, then that's fine, but I would be surprised to see Marth gone, so I would rather see an axe user for him to team up with.

Wouldn't it be fun to have Sonia in the game? ¬.¬

Everywhere I look everyone seems to think the castle shown is Daein Castle. It really isn't, and here's why...

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The flags are actually very different, although I can see why people make the mistake.

[Rogue Cucco]

Going with this theme of PoR (which I really liked, for some reason, but I don't play many of those kind of games), how about Ena or Nasir, the dragon laguzes? That would be pretty spoilerish, actually, but... I think it would look cool. I also like the idea of the Black Knight- he would be strong AND speedy. He kicked butt. What about that Rolf guy? Long-distance attacks that really pack a punch, but extremely light?

Sometimes it seems like all the LoZ characters could have alter egos- Link could be Wolf Link, Zelda is Sheik, Ganondorf could be Ganon... For other characters, Young Zelda could be Tetra, Vaati could be... Vaatie, and Young Link could be Deku Link. Everyone in Zelda seems to have a double or two. I really like the Young Zelda + Tetra idea, that could be interesting.

I wonder if they'll follow in the line of Mario Kart DS and have R.O.B. be a character. Could that work?

[Ken the Wandering Soul]

It just occured to me--Roy was used to promote FE6. What if they use the main character from the Wii Fire Emblem game to promote it, and the castle is also from said game? Its plausible, if not improbable. I imagine they would be using a few of their next-gen characters on top of the classics.

[GJ Skywalker]

It is a possibility.....you can't really predict anything where Nintendo is concerned.

Unless you got a lucky guess.

[Fyxe]

The new Fire Emblem game looks to be a direct sequel to Path of Radiance, set some years later with older versions of the characters and such. So I expect most of the *major* characters will be from Path of Radiance anyway.

[Rogue Cucco]

The new Fire Emblem game looks to be a direct sequel to Path of Radiance, set some years later with older versions of the characters and such. So I expect most of the *major* characters will be from Path of Radiance anyway.

I wonder if the Black Knight died for sure... I mean, being buried alive doesn't exactly entail dying, and no one ever saw how he looked under the armor, meaning if he was breathing or the like. And, usually in stuff people take off their armor to reveal they're someone we met, but if the Black Knight were to appear in this sequel without his armor, we wouldn't realise who he was, would we?

And, maybe that castle in SSBB is part of a 'New Daein,' since the old Daein would have been pretty much defeated, wouldn't it?

[Fyxe]

Just cos it has a dragony logo doesn't mean it has to be Daein at all.

I haven't played Path of Radiance, so please don't spoil anything, but if the Black Knight's identity is never revealed, then I expect it'll play a bit of a part in the sequel.

[Rogue Cucco]

I haven't played Path of Radiance, so please don't spoil anything

Ooops... sorry...

Hmm... I have an idea!

This is a test. If this was a real spoiler, it would say SHEIK IS ZELDA - SNAPE KILLS DUMBLEDORE - VADER IS LUKE'S FATHER

That works! (Better than that old avatar I used to see- I think it was Husse's.)

[Mad Scrub]

Roy is from the sixth Fire Emblem game, Fuuin no Tsurugi (Sword of Seals), which was the first GBA FE game. He also made a cameo in FE7: The Blazing Sword, during a cutscene. From what I've heard, he was includedin SSBM to promote FE6.

Really? I've played but not completed FE on GBA so that's probably why I haven't seen him. I thought FE games were like Final Fantasy in that they're always set in a different world with different characters.

[Ken the Wandering Soul]

Really? I've played but not completed FE on GBA so that's probably why I haven't seen him. I thought FE games were like Final Fantasy in that they're always set in a different world with different characters.

It might be in one of the gaiden (#X) chapters, I'm not sure. I know he is shown in there at some point.

Not all of the FE games connect to eachother, but there are typically 2 games in the FE series that relate to each other.

Fire Emblem [FE1] ---> Fire Emblem Gaiden [FE2] (Gaiden is side-story to the first game. It takes place on another continent, but has characters from the first game.)

Fire Emblem [FE1] ---> Fire Emblem: The Mystery of the Emblem [FE3] (A remake of the first game as well as a sequel. Split up into "Book 1" & "Book 2" respectively.)

Fire Emblem: Geneology of the Holy War [FE4] ---> Fire Emblem: Thracia 776 [FE5] (Thracia 776 takes place between the two halves of FE4.)

Fire Emblem: The Sword of Seals [FE6] ---> Fire Emblem: The Blazing Sword [FE7] (FE7 is the prequel to FE6, and is the first FE game to be released outside Japan)

The Sacred Stones [FE8] and Path of Radiance [FE9] are the only ones that do not have any relations with other Fire Emblem games (yet).

[Fyxe]

Unlike Final Fantasy, though, apparently all the Fire Emblem games take place in one world, however most of them are on different continents and also at different times in history, so apart from the games that pair with each other, they don't connect.

Ken, you forgot the BS Fire Emblem chapters, which were side-stories to the Marth series (although he's not in it). So technically, the original Fire Emblem game has four games that directly connect to it, while all the other games (apart from Sacred Stones) just have two.

Anyway, UPDATE. Snake. SNAAAAKE.
A Metal Gear Solid stage! Boo-yah.

Edited by Fyxe, 01 June 2006 - 07:49 AM.

[GJ Skywalker]

Fyxe got there first, but I couldn't help myself!

Edited by GJ Skywalker, 01 June 2006 - 08:40 AM.

[Koji]

I'm hoping that they leave SSBB an open ended game that utilizes the WiiConnect24 service to constantly add new characters and stages over time. If they don't us that to it's fullest potential, they've really missed the boat.

[Fyxe]

That would be nice, but I think there's only so much you can add to Smash Bros. before it becomes *really* rediculous.

To be honest, I'd rather have the complete game in one go, rather than a half-finished game where I must wait for updates.

[Koji]

Well, I don't mean like you get half the game now and the other half slowly downloads itself onto the Wii. I just mean that instead of waiting until the next system launch to get new characters and levels, they could release expansions, so to speak. Not constantly, like you wake up every day and there's something new - but almost like a mini-sequel (which is...basically an expansion...I'm repeating myself) where they add something/someone/somplace of substance that could actually warrant an expansion. *ESPECIALLY* if they plan on adding any more 2nd/3rd party characters, the WiiConnect24 idea could come in handy as it would give Nintendo a chance to work out licensing deals while the game continues on as it is.

[Flint]

I'd rather have the complete game in one go, rather than a half-finished game where I must wait for updates

Sorry, but this is the 21st century. Game companies are in too big of a rush to get the games out to the public. Everything's going to have updates. Everything.

[Fyxe]

Yeah, cos, y'know, games like Twilight Princess haven't been in production for long enough to iron out all the bugs.

[Ace]

It would be nice if they implemented a stage creator into the game.