When I first read it, what with all the phoenix symbolism I kept half expecting Dumbledore to come back to life somehow...
We are told, though, that no one except Harry has ever survived Avada Kedavra. But the fake Moody also tells us that it depends on how much the wizard casting the spell really wants it, and how powerful thye are - that his entire DADA class could use Avada Kedavra on him and he wouldn't feel it.
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Posted 22 July 2005 - 02:01 PM
My favorite part was where Harry broke up with Mary Jane by Uncle Ben's tomb, then embarked on a quest to find the four remaining magic rings in which Sauron split his soul.
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**We are told, though, that no one except Harry has ever survived Avada Kedavra. But the fake Moody also tells us that it depends on how much the wizard casting the spell really wants it, and how powerful thye are - that his entire DADA class could use Avada Kedavra on him and he wouldn't feel it.
Wow..i never thought about that one!! Its just too confusing! and it IS odd that no one ever saw Dumbledores body prior burial except for Hagrid you know? But still.. the Unbreakable Vow..
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My favorite part was where Harry broke up with Mary Jane by Uncle Ben's tomb, then embarked on a quest to find the four remaining magic rings in which Sauron split his soul.
and all they had to do was shout Jumanji and the dark side would be demolished.
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I definately want to believe that Dumbledore is still alive. I was extremely sad to see him go. But think about Hagrid for a sec. Do you really think he could act that well? I don't. Despite what I want to believe, I think Dumbledore is gone for good. But I really hope I'm wrong...I just don't want to get my hopes up.
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LOVED that thought! I think that that is entirely possible! I hope that you are right!
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Hi All!
I am new here and VERY excited to have found a place where so many have already finished the book, too!
I have a few thoughts...
WE really don't know what the spell DOES that Snape put on Dumbledore. Maybe it didn't really KILL him. Maybe it just makes it appear that he is dead.
Dumbledore has REPEATEDLY said that he trusts Snape. What if this whole thing is a ploy to make Voldemort THINK the Snape has killed Dumbledore?
Harry says that Dumbledore died for nothing and that he was not successful in finding the Horocrux. We never know this for sure...
Dumbledore often gives Harry just PART of the whole story. What's to say that he's not done this in this case?
The ending just seemed too contrived and set to me to really be TRUE. I think J.K.Rowling is trying to put some stuff over on us!
Since Harry and the others are getting much improved with their wizard/witch skills, it will be interesting to see if the teachers just start doing some "on the job training" with the students out in the real world OR if they take the most talented ones and go fight Voldemort as the focus of the next book.
I, for one, am wondering how I will ever be able to wait until #7 comes out!!! I want it NOW!!!
I am new here and VERY excited to have found a place where so many have already finished the book, too!
I have a few thoughts...
WE really don't know what the spell DOES that Snape put on Dumbledore. Maybe it didn't really KILL him. Maybe it just makes it appear that he is dead.
Dumbledore has REPEATEDLY said that he trusts Snape. What if this whole thing is a ploy to make Voldemort THINK the Snape has killed Dumbledore?
Harry says that Dumbledore died for nothing and that he was not successful in finding the Horocrux. We never know this for sure...
Dumbledore often gives Harry just PART of the whole story. What's to say that he's not done this in this case?
The ending just seemed too contrived and set to me to really be TRUE. I think J.K.Rowling is trying to put some stuff over on us!
Since Harry and the others are getting much improved with their wizard/witch skills, it will be interesting to see if the teachers just start doing some "on the job training" with the students out in the real world OR if they take the most talented ones and go fight Voldemort as the focus of the next book.
I, for one, am wondering how I will ever be able to wait until #7 comes out!!! I want it NOW!!!
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Hi All!
I am new here and VERY excited to have found a place where so many have already finished the book, too!
I have a few thoughts...
WE really don't know what the spell DOES that Snape put on Dumbledore. Maybe it didn't really KILL him. Maybe it just makes it appear that he is dead.
Dumbledore has REPEATEDLY said that he trusts Snape. What if this whole thing is a ploy to make Voldemort THINK the Snape has killed Dumbledore?
Harry says that Dumbledore died for nothing and that he was not successful in finding the Horocrux. We never know this for sure...
Dumbledore often gives Harry just PART of the whole story. What's to say that he's not done this in this case?
The ending just seemed too contrived and set to me to really be TRUE. I think J.K.Rowling is trying to put some stuff over on us!
Since Harry and the others are getting much improved with their wizard/witch skills, it will be interesting to see if the teachers just start doing some "on the job training" with the students out in the real world OR if they take the most talented ones and go fight Voldemort as the focus of the next book.
I, for one, am wondering how I will ever be able to wait until #7 comes out!!! I want it NOW!!!
I am new here and VERY excited to have found a place where so many have already finished the book, too!
I have a few thoughts...
WE really don't know what the spell DOES that Snape put on Dumbledore. Maybe it didn't really KILL him. Maybe it just makes it appear that he is dead.
Dumbledore has REPEATEDLY said that he trusts Snape. What if this whole thing is a ploy to make Voldemort THINK the Snape has killed Dumbledore?
Harry says that Dumbledore died for nothing and that he was not successful in finding the Horocrux. We never know this for sure...
Dumbledore often gives Harry just PART of the whole story. What's to say that he's not done this in this case?
The ending just seemed too contrived and set to me to really be TRUE. I think J.K.Rowling is trying to put some stuff over on us!
Since Harry and the others are getting much improved with their wizard/witch skills, it will be interesting to see if the teachers just start doing some "on the job training" with the students out in the real world OR if they take the most talented ones and go fight Voldemort as the focus of the next book.
I, for one, am wondering how I will ever be able to wait until #7 comes out!!! I want it NOW!!!
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One: Don't triple post.
Two: Don't double post the same thing.
Two: Don't double post the same thing.
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Posted 22 July 2005 - 10:19 PM
The double post was most likely a mistake. But yeah, if you've got something to say after you've posted, go back and click the little "Edit" button on your previous post if nobody's replied to you yet.
Anyway... yeah. Whoever it was that mentioned the Avada Kedavra curse up there brought up an interesting point. If you don't truly desire your target to die, the curse will not work. I think it's entirely possible that Dumbledore and Snape had worked out some kind of agreement beforehand, maybe with a potion to make Dumbledore appear dead or something. I'm thinking that he may have been referring to whatever it was when he was trying to persuade Draco not to do anything stupid.
Edit: Showsni, that's who it was. ^^;;
Anyway... yeah. Whoever it was that mentioned the Avada Kedavra curse up there brought up an interesting point. If you don't truly desire your target to die, the curse will not work. I think it's entirely possible that Dumbledore and Snape had worked out some kind of agreement beforehand, maybe with a potion to make Dumbledore appear dead or something. I'm thinking that he may have been referring to whatever it was when he was trying to persuade Draco not to do anything stupid.
Edit: Showsni, that's who it was. ^^;;
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All this is really making me want to believe Dumbledore is still alive.. but I hate getting my hopes up! I did the same thing with Sirius, because I really thought he was coming back =(
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I finished the book today and here are my thoughts on everything:
The "Romance" and characterization: Blah. That's all I have to say about the Ron-Hermione romance and their characters in general. Hermione was a whiny jerk and Ron was an insensitive fool. I'm a guy who doesn't even really care about romance in books, but what some may call a romance between the two wasn't even romantic, which is pretty dumb, considering JKR calls it a romance. Being total jerks to one another has never been considered romance by me. Hermione was out of character and the funny thing is that neither versions of Hermione seem very compatible with Ron at all. You can tell JKR only paired the two together because Ron's her favorite because he's poor and not because they go well together. Harry-Ginny was fine.
Dumbledore and Snape: I really loved the last 50 or so pages of this book, they were very action packed. Personally, I think Snape is evil and Dumbledore dead, but the other posters here have brought up some very good points proving otherwise. I had forgotten about the argument Snape and Dumbledore had had.
RAB and the Horcruxes: First of all, I think RAB will probably end up being Regulus. About the Horcruxes, I seriously think Harry will end up being one instead of Nagini or the unnamed Ravenclaw/Gryffindor item. I truly dread this and I may end up hating JKR for doing that, but it just seems very likely. We already know that Voldemort implanted SOMETHING of himself in Harry(albeit accidently) and his soul is very likely what it was. As some may know, she said in response to someone in an interview asking her what Harry would do after his seven years at Hogwarts, she said "How do you know he survives?" I believe she has said something like that about Ron and I actually think Ron should die but Harry should not. He's had a pretty depressing life, he deserves to be finally happy.
Anyway, that's mainly what I've thought about the book at the moment. It was very good, despite the OoC Hermione and the typical foolish Ron.
The "Romance" and characterization: Blah. That's all I have to say about the Ron-Hermione romance and their characters in general. Hermione was a whiny jerk and Ron was an insensitive fool. I'm a guy who doesn't even really care about romance in books, but what some may call a romance between the two wasn't even romantic, which is pretty dumb, considering JKR calls it a romance. Being total jerks to one another has never been considered romance by me. Hermione was out of character and the funny thing is that neither versions of Hermione seem very compatible with Ron at all. You can tell JKR only paired the two together because Ron's her favorite because he's poor and not because they go well together. Harry-Ginny was fine.
Dumbledore and Snape: I really loved the last 50 or so pages of this book, they were very action packed. Personally, I think Snape is evil and Dumbledore dead, but the other posters here have brought up some very good points proving otherwise. I had forgotten about the argument Snape and Dumbledore had had.
RAB and the Horcruxes: First of all, I think RAB will probably end up being Regulus. About the Horcruxes, I seriously think Harry will end up being one instead of Nagini or the unnamed Ravenclaw/Gryffindor item. I truly dread this and I may end up hating JKR for doing that, but it just seems very likely. We already know that Voldemort implanted SOMETHING of himself in Harry(albeit accidently) and his soul is very likely what it was. As some may know, she said in response to someone in an interview asking her what Harry would do after his seven years at Hogwarts, she said "How do you know he survives?" I believe she has said something like that about Ron and I actually think Ron should die but Harry should not. He's had a pretty depressing life, he deserves to be finally happy.
Anyway, that's mainly what I've thought about the book at the moment. It was very good, despite the OoC Hermione and the typical foolish Ron.
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Posted 23 July 2005 - 04:37 PM
That Ron-Hermione stuff was TOTALLY a romance. All of that rudeness is just their jealousy and their denial of the fact that they completely want each other. You know, kind of like how people flirt by picking on each other....
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Posted 23 July 2005 - 04:59 PM
Thing is, I don't think I've ever seen people pick on each other because they like each other. That's a stupid cliche usually used in children's cartoons that JKR seems to think is the only way for there to be a romance. It was not realistic at all and Ron and Hermione have never been good together, although it was obvious JKR was planning it since around PoA.
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Posted 23 July 2005 - 05:06 PM
I've seen plenty of people do it. I even do it sometimes, although usually only in a joking manner when I'm feeling playful. It's not just a stupid cliche, and it seems perfectly normal to me that two friends who were in denial of their feelings would behave that way.
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Posted 23 July 2005 - 08:41 PM
Well, I kinda disagree, but that's not even why I said it wasn't a good romance, I said that mainly because Ron and Hermione(especially Ron) were highly unlikeable in this book.
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*I've seen plenty of people do it. I even do it sometimes, although usually only in a joking manner when I'm feeling playful. It's not just a stupid cliche, and it seems perfectly normal to me that two friends who were in denial of their feelings would behave that way.
I totally agree... It is perfectly normal for 2 friends to deny romantic feelings towards each other (I've seen it way too many times) and it is also normal to try to produce jealous feelings to make the other friend 'want you'.. I really dont know how to explain it any better, but the whole Ron/Hermione thing has got to be one of the most realistic things in the books romantically wise.. I come on.. And I personally love Ron... so I dont think hes unlikeable.. This is really an opinions thing, But anywho... I guess I'm getting off subject..
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In the JK interview on MuggleNet.com, someone mentioned they thought RAB was Regulus and JK seemed to get quiet in a sort... idk... Who else read it? If you didnt, read it! Its very informitive
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Yeah, I read it. JKR and the interviewers seems a bit pompous to me. But it was informative.
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*Yeah, I read it. JKR and the interviewers seems a bit pompous to me. But it was informative.
Pompous? How do you figure?
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I read the interviews...and they were very informative. Actually, I found MuggleNet.com to be a pretty good site all over...but thats beside the point
I love the Ron/Hermione romance and agree that it is probably the most realistic romance in the all of the books. It is hard to admit that you have feelings for someone that you are very close to...even though its obvious (I should know...things kinda like this just recently happened to me...lol). And their relationship does help to add a bit of light-heartedness to the book. It good because even though Voldemort is returning, people are still able to live. And what is the one thing Voldemort doesn't understand? Love!
I love Ron. He's my favortie character in the books. I agree with Violet7560 that he is a likeable character. Most of the humor of these books are somehow tied into him. He's a hilarious character and is an amazing friend to Harry. I started to cry when he was poisoned...and I hope he doesn't die.
I love the Ron/Hermione romance and agree that it is probably the most realistic romance in the all of the books. It is hard to admit that you have feelings for someone that you are very close to...even though its obvious (I should know...things kinda like this just recently happened to me...lol). And their relationship does help to add a bit of light-heartedness to the book. It good because even though Voldemort is returning, people are still able to live. And what is the one thing Voldemort doesn't understand? Love!
I love Ron. He's my favortie character in the books. I agree with Violet7560 that he is a likeable character. Most of the humor of these books are somehow tied into him. He's a hilarious character and is an amazing friend to Harry. I started to cry when he was poisoned...and I hope he doesn't die.
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Posted 24 July 2005 - 11:42 PM
In what way was she pompous? Acting like she knew everything and was hiding it from us...because she is, as is her right as a writer? 
And is it so wrong that I love Snape and Draco? That I even loved Sirius before we were sure whether he was good or not? ^^;
And is it so wrong that I love Snape and Draco? That I even loved Sirius before we were sure whether he was good or not? ^^;
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Everybody loves Snape, or everybody who counts loves Snape.
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Posted 25 July 2005 - 09:22 AM
Well, I clearly don't matter. I can not stand Snape.
For the record, I've been supporting Harry/Ginny and Ron/Hermonie ever since Chamber of Secrets. But noooo, Harry should go out with Luna or Hermonie people say. Ginny is perfectly happy with Dean they mentioned. Well, I shall now claim myself victorious as my mighty predictions have come true!
You see, that was being pompous. What JK was doing in the MuggleNet interview? That wasn't pompous.
For the record, I've been supporting Harry/Ginny and Ron/Hermonie ever since Chamber of Secrets. But noooo, Harry should go out with Luna or Hermonie people say. Ginny is perfectly happy with Dean they mentioned. Well, I shall now claim myself victorious as my mighty predictions have come true!
You see, that was being pompous. What JK was doing in the MuggleNet interview? That wasn't pompous.
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Posted 25 July 2005 - 10:20 AM
Yeah, now that I think about it, less JKR and more the interviewers. They were pompous. Just look at when they were talking about the pairings. Calling everyone who believed something else delusional? That's not a very nice thing to say. Now, I knew R/Hr was going to happen for a long time but if someone believes something else they shouldn't treat them as though they're delusional fools, should they? And still, perhaps getting mad at someone is a way to express love(although I've never seen that occur, to myself or anyone I know) but Ron and Hermione just doesn't seem to work in my eyes. Hermione is very sensitive while Ron never seems to care if he offends anyone. And Ron isn't an amazing friend. In OoTP he was, Hermione and Harry were best friends and he wasn't jealous at all, but he became jealous of that all of a sudden in HBP, getting flustered when Hermione complimented Harry. Don't even get me started on GoF. But, I guess some would call that a good friend.
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Random post: More of those spoiler tags!!!
Carry on.
Carry on.
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Hi,
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I guess R.A.B. could be Regulus, but I'm not sold on that idea.
I think it's Amy Benson. Amy could be her middle name; maybe her first name starts with an R.
Amy Benson is one of the two orphans lured into the cave by the young Tom Riddle. And, of course, they were "never quite the same" after that.
Who is to say that Lord V. was the only witch or wizard ever to reside at the orphanage? Doesn't it seem possible, perhaps even likely, that there have been others?
It wouldn't be the first time Ms. Rowling has surprised us with the revelation of a witch or wizard living in the Muggle world.
I think Amy Benson would have been at least as motivated to bring down Voldemort as Regulus would have been.
Besides, Rowling seems to enjoy giving her female characters key powerful roles.
This is my first post. Glad I found you.
I guess R.A.B. could be Regulus, but I'm not sold on that idea.
I think it's Amy Benson. Amy could be her middle name; maybe her first name starts with an R.
Amy Benson is one of the two orphans lured into the cave by the young Tom Riddle. And, of course, they were "never quite the same" after that.
Who is to say that Lord V. was the only witch or wizard ever to reside at the orphanage? Doesn't it seem possible, perhaps even likely, that there have been others?
It wouldn't be the first time Ms. Rowling has surprised us with the revelation of a witch or wizard living in the Muggle world.
I think Amy Benson would have been at least as motivated to bring down Voldemort as Regulus would have been.
Besides, Rowling seems to enjoy giving her female characters key powerful roles.
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Posted 26 July 2005 - 03:24 PM
Random post: More of those spoiler tags!!!
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Posted 26 July 2005 - 03:46 PM
Hi,
This is my first post. Glad I found you.
I guess R.A.B. could be Regulus, but I'm not sold on that idea.
I think it's Amy Benson. Amy could be her middle name; maybe her first name starts with an R.
Amy Benson is one of the two orphans lured into the cave by the young Tom Riddle. And, of course, they were "never quite the same" after that.
Who is to say that Lord V. was the only witch or wizard ever to reside at the orphanage? Doesn't it seem possible, perhaps even likely, that there have been others?
It wouldn't be the first time Ms. Rowling has surprised us with the revelation of a witch or wizard living in the Muggle world.
I think Amy Benson would have been at least as motivated to bring down Voldemort as Regulus would have been.
Besides, Rowling seems to enjoy giving her female characters key powerful roles.
I doubt that. Regulus really seems to be R.A.B. to me. Besides, Dumbledore would've come to the orphanage for Amy if she were a witch.
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Posted 26 July 2005 - 05:05 PM
Who ever said the person had to be a witch? I like this idea.I doubt that. Regulus really seems to be R.A.B. to me. Besides, Dumbledore would've come to the orphanage for Amy if she were a witch.
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I know, but I think it's best to get into the habit now, eh?
