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[D~N]

woooo! I just finished! I read sloooooooww. until the ending 5/6 chapters where it speeds up. anyway, my theories.

~R.A.B. = regulus black but since we know that, i want a twist, you know, someone different.

~Snape = bag side, but in the last battle scene he will see his wrong doings and help him in the final/almost final fight.

~Next book = awesome XP

~Harry will go back to hogwarts at some point, to get the info on how to destroy the horcruxes (sp?)

~Harry x ginny won't work out for verry long.

~Hermione x Ron will work out.

~Dumbledor will guide him somehow, whether he comes alive again or uses the portrait to his advantage. can't wait for this!****

~Dumbledor IS dead.

that's all i got. **********THIS BOOK ROCKED!!!!!!**************

[Green Goblin]

Thought_you_guys_would_get_a_kick_outta_this.

funniest way to spoil the book for someone XD

[Nabooru]

lol XD That is great.

[Chikara Nadir]

Oh, lordy. That's...great. If someone had tried to show it to me right when the book came out and I hadn't gotten into it, I'd be pissed. But...heh, at least that crazy site is always keeping up with the hot topics of the day. XP

[Jaina]

Well..I know in that set of interviews I posted..JK Rowling was saying that.."Well, I'm prepared to bet you now, that at least before the week is out, at least one of the Horcruxes will have been correctly identified by careful re-readers of the books."

So anotherwards..she for sure identifies all of the Horcuxes throughout the book..so the most skilled reader will figure at least one of the others ones out..and I think for sure that locket in the Black house is one..


Here is the third part..http://www.mugglenet...nterview3.shtml

Believe me..JK Rowling answers every question we have placed in this thread so far..


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[BrendantheJedi]

Thought_you_guys_would_get_a_kick_outta_this.
 
funniest way to spoil the book for someone XD

Yeah that is pretty hilarious.

Well I wasn't too shocked by Dumbledore's death. I personally liked the book, and my personal favorite parts were the chapter where Harry took the luck potion and the battle between Snape and Harry.

[Pook]

Good one Hugh
I can't remember from where that body thing was from though....

[Pook]

Well, from what I believe, the horcruxes are split-souls in which the book describes. I also think that yes, the 7th part of the soul which Voldemort created, was in fact in him, and when he tried to destroy Harry, he in turn destroyed his first Horcrux. The locket, I also believe was Destroyed by Regulus Black, secretly. The note in the locket seems to answer the question, since of that key line 'I may already be dead' considering he was a Death Eater (and no matter how many times I read it, I still think that is the WORST title ever ) and found out what he was doing and his intent, so he thought to destroy it. Voldemort did not find out, but when Regulus tried to back out, he was then killed. It makes sense to me.

So for the Horcruxes, this is my solution:
1) Riddle's Diary (destroyed by Harry)
2) Morfin's Ring (destroyed by Dumbledore)
3) Slytherin's Locket (destroyed by Regulus)
4) Hufflepuff's Cup
5) Ravenclaw's item
6) Nagini the snake
7) Voldemort himself

Hope that satisfies something.

[Showsni]

I don't think the bit of soul in Voldemort is destroyed...
It would have been destroyed, had not the other Horcruxes existed. They act like an anchor to keep that first soul held to earth. If the soul in Volemort is destroyed, he will die. Or else become like a Dementor kissed person. But it can't die whilst the other Horcruxes are there.

[Pook]

That's true...that makes sense then. He didn't die from his unforgivable curse because of the horcruxes, so he escaped as his soul part, while his physical form died. Which is how he came to live on Quirrel, because he was no more than a soul. So of course, it will be the last one to be destroyed.

[Pook]

No problemo.

[Trinbadman]

Well, from what I believe, the horcruxes are split-souls in which the book describes. I also think that yes, the 7th part of the soul which Voldemort created, was in fact in him, and when he tried to destroy Harry, he in turn destroyed his first Horcrux. The locket, I also believe was Destroyed by Regulus Black, secretly. The note in the locket seems to answer the question, since of that key line 'I may already be dead' considering he was a Death Eater (and no matter how many times I read it, I still think that is the WORST title ever ) and found out what he was doing and his intent, so he thought to destroy it. Voldemort did not find out, but when Regulus tried to back out, he was then killed. It makes sense to me.

So for the Horcruxes, this is my solution:
1) Riddle's Diary (destroyed by Harry)
2) Morfin's Ring (destroyed by Dumbledore)
3) Slytherin's Locket (destroyed by Regulus)
4) Hufflepuff's Cup
5) Ravenclaw's item
6) Nagini the snake
7) Voldemort himself  

Hope that satisfies something.

Morfin's Ring was originally Slytherin's, that's what Slytherin's object was. The locket belonged to Hufflepuff. This leaves one more possible Horocrux - The Sorting Hat, once belonging to Gryffindor? Or Harry himself?

This has probably been said before, but I reckon that Harry could be Godric Gryffindor's heir.

[Iosonouomoragno]

ok, first off, in an interview with TLC and Mugglenet, Jo said that dumbledore was definately dead. so, we can quash that whole thing. then, about harry being a horcrux. that would be impossible since harry would have to die before he could kill voldy. It is ilogical to even think this because if harry is dead, then what? the book is over.... no more harry potter. how can he destroy his scar without destroying himself. ok.. the locket was slytherins as well... Marvolo gaunt said it himself nearly choking his daughter. (read book six again). in the same interview jo says that all the horcruxes are mentioned. in fact she says the astute reder would know them all just by reading the book closer again. I also find it funny that she hints in book six about what we are doing right now, in fact she even pokes fun a bit. when dumbeldore is talking to harry in the broomhouse at the burrow, harry expresses his concern that everyone knows that he alone must kill voldy. and then dumbledore says that only two people actually know that. hahaha it's funny really that although, we may guess what she is going to do. none of us really know. in fact, how funny is it she basically says that. anyway, that was just a thought that I had when reading the book again for like the tenth time. thanks guys

[Pook]

Morfin's Ring was originally Slytherin's, that's what Slytherin's object was. The locket belonged to Hufflepuff. This leaves one more possible Horocrux - The Sorting Hat, once belonging to Gryffindor? Or Harry himself?

This has probably been said before, but I reckon that Harry could be Godric Gryffindor's heir.

You, my friend, need to re-read 6. Morfin's ring (ex Gaunt ex other heirs ex Slytherin) was one of the TWO items aquired by Gaunt's family. There were TWO items, one being destroyed by Dumbledore (which we assume, since it was no longer in his office) and the locket which I predict was done by Regulus Black. The HUFFLEPUFF CUP was Hufflepuff's item, and that they do not have.
The sorting hat is automatically ruled out, considering it stays in the headmaster's/mistress' office all year unless sorting. Yes it was Gryffindors originally, but it was given to sort students. That is ruled out.

I am sticking with my list of horcruxes, because I've read back into the story and put my thoughts together. This makes the most sense to me.

In the end, I believe, neither Voldemort nor Harry will do any of the killing. As book 4 stated, when a wand meets it's brother/sister wand (shares the same core-in this case a Phoenix feather from Fawkes for both wands) they make a bond, which inables the duelists to use the cure/hex/jinx/counter-cure etc. against the other. Remember the golden light that bound the wands? Might wanna read that over. So I'm thinking that Snape in the end, saves Harry and kill's Voldemort, in the same sort of fashion. Of course, the characters will go looking/destroying the horcruxes while they duel, and in the final battle, I think that Harry will get attached by the wand again by this golden beam, and Snape will attack Voldemort instead of Harry, by Dumbledore's orders, or such. Long idea's I have, and no patience to type it all out right now. But maybe later...

[Iosonouomoragno]

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Ok wow.... you are not the most open minded person are you?    I dont have much time right now, but I'll say something about the part I put in bold..   Jo said she does not want to drag out this series many times before in interviews (she said maybe she will do other books about Harry Potter, but no more in the series itself...) so it seems very logical that she may want to kill Harry off... Im not so sure she will do that, but there is no telling.. ok and one more thing....
The second part if put in bold... She is clearly talking about Harry and Dumbledore himself... because (and i might be mistaken, i have [img]http://forums.legendsalliance.com/public/ALOT.png[/img] on my mind right now...) Voldemort doesnt realize that he and Harry have to battle.... but then... didnt Dumbledore say they really didnt have to kill each other off? I dunno.... Im too tired for this..  :s:

Ok, first of all, yes, I am an opened minded person, But how can one write a book about Harry Potter if that person is dead. She (Jo) may kill him off, but what would be the point. It's just a question. Why kill off the person after which the book is named. the hero hardly (i stress hardly) ever dies. These books have one major theme. Good overcoming Evil, even if evil seems to outnumber the good 100 to one. Why then would she kill off the main charachter? Just a thought.
Yes, I realize that she was talking about Dumbledore and Harry, I just didn't put it down. I just found it funny that maybe, we have guessed correctly, but as I said, we won't really know until book 7.
And yes, Dumbledore did say that they didn't really have to kill each other, but, because Voldemort will stop at nothing, and has already fulfilled most of the prophecy, they have to fight each other again, which goes to the next post about the wands, that deal that happened in the end of 4 would probably happen again, but if i remember correctly, someone talks about how if someone forces the wand to do the curse/hex/jinx/spell/whatever, it will have to obey. maybe I am wrong, but I thought that I remembered that somewhere in the 4th or maybe it was the end of the 5th book when Harry goes ape shit on Dumbledore. let me know on that one. I'd love to discuss this further, but as I have got to get back to work......
What a great idea about Snape having to Kill Voldemort though, I really like that or maybe even Wormtail, he does owe Harry his life that is a great thought. I enjoyed that.

[Pook]

They'll all backstab Voldemort, and Harry will win and everyone is all "huzzah!"

The wand thing in the 4th, basicallywas it attached itself to the brother/sister wand. Then this ball of light appeared, and you had to try and force it to the other wand, which in turn shows the spells used in reverse. I don't think that the spells used actually have any use in that state, because they bring back (in Voldemort's case) the people he killed and then THEY attack him after the bond is broken. I have a feeling it'll happen again in 7.

[Pook]

Read the posts above *sigh*

[Pook]

Yes it was! Thanks for pointing that out

[Iosonouomoragno]

I just read an article by Orson Scott Card where he discusses The
Half-Blood Prince. Some very interesting insights from a writer who
knows how these things are done.

"And now it's time to talk about Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince.

I'm assuming that you've read it. If you haven't, then Stop Reading Now!
Because I'm going to talk about the ending and other matters that will
spoil everything.

I mean it. Stop.

Because this is a worthy book in a great series, and even though I'm
going to complain a bit, I'm mostly going to join in the speculation
about what's really going on.

And that means I'm going to give away the ending.

You have been warned.

First, though, the complaints. In the previous books, Rowling
(pronounced, by the way, to rhyme with "bowling") has taken care to let
each book stand on its own. You could begin the series with any of the
books and find it a complete and satisfying read.

Half-Blood Prince, however, seems to exist only to set up the seventh
(and purportedly final) volume. While the ending definitely ends the
book, it does not do so in any kind of satisfying way.

For instance, we spent a long, long time waiting for Harry to find out
what horcruxes are. Then at peril of life and limb, Harry and Dumbledore
find one. Only it turns out to be a fake -- a substitute, and somebody
else got it first. (How, we can only imagine.)

Often there is something we were waiting for, only to have Rowling have
it casually mentioned by one character or another that it already
happened, only offstage, where we couldn't see it.

A huge amount of time is spent repeating the same gags about Ron
snogging his girlfriend and making Hermione jealous. If we're in such a
hurry that we must skip over promised events, then why must we see this
so often we want to slap everybody involved?

She also shows other signs of series-itis. For instance, Hagrid does
nothing important in this story at all. That's fine -- but because he is
a Beloved Character, she felt obliged to bring him in far more often
than his role in this story warranted.

The kids weren't taking his class anymore; that happens; get over it.
But because she was too attuned to her fans, she wasted a lot of pages
showing us what we already knew about Hagrid and repeating the old
jokes. Does she think she's writing a Joan Hess Maggody book, where the
same characters have to appear in every book and do exactly the same
"madcap" things?

So if you aren't already a fan of the series, and started reading it
with this volume, you'd be puzzled as to what all the hooplah is about.
She simply assumes we know and like everybody, so we have a tearful
funeral for a character that we would not love if we had not seen him in
previous books, and spends a lot of time with Hagrid, who does nothing
whatever of interest in this volume.

But the fact is, I have read the other books and I do like and care
about the characters, and since I have every intention of reading the
final book as well, I don't even mind that this book exists only to set
up the last one. All is forgiven -- if the final book brings everything
to fruition.

The trouble is that Rowling obviously plans to deny every important
thing that happened in this book!

We are left with all the characters believing that a certain hated
character committed a foul murder and that a certain beloved character
is dead as a doornail.

But careful readers will realize that Rowling has set it up so that it
will not be a cheat when she reveals that it's all a scam.

OK, here's where I name names and really wreck this book for you if you
haven't read it yet:

About the "murder": Dumbledore tells Draco that if he turns to the "good
side" he can make it seem as if he died, so that Voldemort can't take
vengeance on him.

Then, when Snape is about to cast the fatal spell, Dumbledore speaks to
him pleadingly. This is, of course, pure theatre: Dumbledore is the
quintessential Gryffindor, which means that courage is most important to
him. He would not cower and whimper. He only acted that way to make it
more convincing to the Death Eater witnesses, who would expect (and
savor) such an attitude.

Dumbledore did indeed fall from the tower and seems to be dead -- and
everyone believes it. But there's magic in this world. He is buried in a
magical sarcophagus perched on magical catafalque, and his familiar is a
phoenix, which rises from the dead.

There may have been hundreds of weeping witnesses at the funeral, but
what we don't have is any serious proof that Dumbledore is completely,
irrecoverably dead.

What we do have are plenty of indications that he might very well be
alive, and that it suited his purposes to have Voldemort absolutely
believe that he was dead.

Furthermore, to have Snape be the killer seems believable, but
Dumbledore trusted him and he was not an idiot. Note that Snape never
actually strikes against any of the Order of the Phoenix, and that he
rushes Draco out of the place without harming anyone.

He has every opportunity to strike Harry down. The excuse is that
Voldemort wants to kill Harry himself, but then why not take him along?
Snape had the power to do it, certainly.

Instead Snape does something else. He teaches Harry what he needs to do
to prepare for his final confrontation with Voldemort; he must learn to
hide his thoughts (occlumency) and to subvocalize all his spells so his
enemy can't anticipate his every move.

Snape is not a murderer; Dumbledore is not dead. Instead, they pulled
off a scam to convince Voldemort absolutely that Dumbledore is dead and
Snape is a loyal Death Eater. No one can doubt Snape now. Which means
that Voldemort won't be looking for Dumbledore to oppose him any more,
and he will hold Snape as his most trusted lieutenant.

So when Harry faces Voldemort in the final battle, he will not be alone.

It's even possible that Dumbledore stayed alive using his own horcrux.
We heard much about how it took a murder to tear your soul in pieces in
order to save bits of yourself in various artifacts. But Dumbledore
might have been able to bring off a similar feat using other means.

(He might even have killed his phoenix -- harmlessly, but no less
wrenchingly, in order to do what Voldemort would believe to be
impossible to anyone who was not committed to evil.)

As for Voldemort's horcruxes, I fully expect that the final horcrux will
turn out to be the lightning-bolt scar on Harry's forehead,
inadvertently created when Voldemort killed Harry's mother and father.
That's why Voldemort can't let anyone else kill Harry -- it would kill a
part of himself. That's why the scar throbbed so whenever the
disembodied Voldemort was near.

So in the final battle, when Harry thinks there's still one horcrux
left, he realizes that the only way to kill Voldemort completely is to
kill the bearer of the last horcrux -- himself.

Perhaps Rowling is planning on having Dumbledore rush out of the bushes
to save Harry magically at the last moment before he offs himself (for
the good of mankind).

But personally, I hope she has a huge battle inside Harry and that Harry
finds a way to subdue Voldemort's soul-fragment within him through love,
which has been established as the most powerful magic of all.

Isn't that really why we've been shown so much of Tom Riddle's past in
this volume? So that when push comes to shove, Harry can overcome his
enemy with compassion for his tortured past?

Meanwhile, Rowling has set Harry free from the confines of Hogwarts. He
will doubtless go to the school from time to time -- indeed, where but
at Hogwarts can the final confrontation with Voldemort possibly be?

But it will be a depopulated Hogwarts, with only the ghosts, centaurs,
merfolk, Finch, and Hagrid still in residence. Oh, yes -- and
Dumbledore's sepulchre, where he may just be waiting for his phoenix to
revive him.

So the final volume, while it will have the same characters and the same
settings, will be a whole new quidditch match -- much more freedom of
action for Rowlings' all-growed-up heroes, and everything in place for a
bangup climax full of surprises.

Though of course I spoiled those surprises with all these brilliant and
correct guesses.

(And before the humorless write in, please notice that this was an
ironic and self-mocking statement.

(Not that this will stop those who are most grimly determined to condemn
me. Because my having expressed the idea that anything about the Harry
Potter series is less than perfect will make me a virtual Death Eater in
the eyes of some of the most fanatical readers.

(It's just my opinions and my guesses, folks. Nothing I said erased a
single word of any of Rowling's books. Check for yourselves -- all the
words are still there.)"

So what do you guys think? Pretty convincing arguements... I wonder what he thinks about RAB... Wonder if he thinks that it is regulus. peace.

[SteveT]

Rowling strongly hinted that RAB is Regulus.

Therefore it's someone else.