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#31 Jaina

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Posted 18 July 2005 - 04:43 PM

Of course, for Snape it was a choice between killing Dumbledore or dying himself, thanks to the Unbreakable Vow. How many people would die to save someoen else? If Dumbledore knew about the Vow, he might have ordered Snape to save himself by killing him if it came down to it.

Err..Lilly Potter


But yeah..I more or less believe..Snape did that whole thing on Dumbledore's order. I think after Rowling played out Snape being...err misunderstood for so long that she would just have him turn on that for no reason. Especially since like they said in the second chapter or so..Snape had several chances to kill Harry and he never did..he protected Harry for quite some time. Yeah you can throw it as..well it was on Voldemort's word that he didnt..because Harry was his 'prey' But when Harry was 11 Snape stated that he didnt really even ~know~ about Voldemort tell later.

Plus there was even the business when the Dark Mark burned that Snape was more keen on the idea of running away..but when Dumbledore wanted him as a spy he reluctantly did it. I dont know..maybe it is just that for some reason Snape is my fave character still XD I dunno always like the angry people.


Although I have to say my fave part of this book was the last chapter XD It was nice to see Harry finally act grown up and take things into his own hands to continue on instead of being stuck in his depression of losing his God Father and Mentor. Plus..I was really happy at Tonks and Lupin getting together XD I have always had a soft spot for Lupin too. Well..plus Tonks was the only thing I really liked in the fifth book.


Overall..I have to say Half Blooded Prince is probably my third fave out of the whole series so far ;) I dunno if I can say I like it better then Goblet of Fire..or Prisoner of Azkaban.

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Posted 18 July 2005 - 06:46 PM

First of all, the issue of RAB. I am a firm believer in the idea that Sirius's brother Relugus is the best fit to his identity. Last book Sirius explained that his brother was a Death Eater, however that he had gotten to close on the inside and lost his nerve. This most likely came from realizing that theory of the Horcruxes. However, unlike Dumbledore and Harry, he hadn't seen the memory that there were more than one of them. Thus in his note he mentioned that he he knew about this one and made no other mention of others. The note said that he knew that he would not live long, and Regulus died 15 years prior to the last book. To find out about the Horcruxes, Regulus did not need to become good friends with Voldermort, but only needed to be a shrewd detective. Everything points to him, This late in the story I would not think they would throw in a new character into the mix with such a pivitol role. He's the obvious and right answer.


He tried to back out because of some of the things that he was asked to do. You may be right Jarman. I don't know, all of this is just guess work from now until the next one is released. But Sirius talks about his brother as being sort of an Idiot. In fact he says that he probably got in too deap and was asked to do something and couldn't do it, so he was killed. I don't think he was snooping around doing detective work at all. He was just a scared, which he had ever right to be, he couldn't hack it so he got killed.

As for bringing in new characters, she has already established the fact, that she likes to do it. She has brought in at least four in every book so far. She will need to bring in at least two this next book to cover for transfiguration, and defense against the dark arts. so why not introduce a new character? with the initials RAB. Although, i do not disagree with your assessment that perhaps it is Regulus, I just think that it is more plausable that it is a new character.i don't know, perhaps I am wrong. again, we will not be able to find out until the next book comes out. ???(any Ideas, are we going to have to wait 3 years) I sure as heck hope not. anyway, I'm reading it again as to get more out of it, then I will start the series over, perhaps i will find something, maybe we will just have to wait and see... everything is heresay until the next one comes...

Just so you all know, my worst fear is that Jo will get in a car accident and not be able to finish this last book.... HOW MUCH WOULD THAT SUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Posted 18 July 2005 - 07:59 PM

TO Veteran's Comment:
But this is something so secret that couldn't have many people if any know about it. The more people know the more risk there is to failure. Snape has the ability to block his mind from people. This makes him the only person other than Dumbledore to be in on the plan. Your earlier post was right on, and I'm thinking more and more that Snape and this plan are still going strong.

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Posted 18 July 2005 - 08:08 PM

Anyone else find it odd the number of new members that magicly appear in this thread? ;)

I want to believe Snape is evil, but my stupid concious won't let me.

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Posted 18 July 2005 - 11:47 PM

Anyone else come away thinking Malfoy may be a werewolf.....his arm may be hurting from a bite....not the darkmark......and notice how he responds to the head werewolf.

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Posted 19 July 2005 - 12:38 AM

First, I have to applaud Jk Rowling for being such an amazing writer.
She is a wizard with words,
so much infact that those few chilling lines that surround Dumbledores death play in my mind like I was there, where Harry was, helpless to do anything when snape just walked up to Dumbledore and... she never fails to shock you, that is for certain. (by shock I mean practically throw the book out of your hands in terror, positive that what you just read was not real. then not being able to read fast enough, only to find not a single word you read seems to register, because it couldn't possibly be real

As for those still holding out for snapes innocence...it's a nice thought, but I have to disagree!
He was with Vodermort the whole time.
He fooled dumbledore.
Which honestly who thought that was possible?

It really is quite a bit of genious in writting, as much as I hate what happened.
It shows that Dumbledore was in fact human, and although very wise, he did make mistakes. Deadly as those mistakes where.

He chose to hold onto what he had seen so many years ago over what everyone who he loved and trusted was telling him. An exellent advice giver, but stubborn it seems on taking it.

It would be great to think Snape was somehow still on the goodside but with realizing that Sirius is really not coming back, I also realized that these last books are sugar free. (aka no sugar coating) and for some reason Harry must go on without anyone to guide him in this last book, for whatever reason.

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Posted 19 July 2005 - 12:50 AM

If the spell on Harry was lifted when Dumbledore died, what about...

The spell that he 'put' on harrys aunt and uncles house protecting harry while he's there. Is that gone too?

Now that the secret keeper is dead, can the death eaters find the Orders hideout?

DO WE HAVE TO WAIT ANOTHER TWO YEARS FOR THE NEXT BOOK?????????

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Posted 19 July 2005 - 02:55 AM

I never thought Draco was a Werewolf because he DID state towards the beginning that Fenrir was a family friend..so in that I dont think Fenrir would have dared to bite a family friend's child XD and being as though he WAS acting on Voldemort's orders..on the fact that he said he would kill him and his family if he disobeyed I doubt he is working under Fenrir or something.


And Elizabeth Black..those ARE good questions XD since..well Rowling never gave us any idea if anything would change...but you never know her on surprises. But please..dont double post just..edit your post if you have anything else to say.

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Posted 19 July 2005 - 08:23 AM

I really don't think that Malfoy is a werewolf, Granted he was looking [img]http://forums.legendsalliance.com/public/ALOT.png[/img] more pale and lanky, and seemed to be loosing weight but I would contribute that to him working hard to kill Dumbledore. It's a very good theory, but I think that Malfoy's mom would be a little more upset if he had been bitten and it's just not a plausible as the Dark Mark being branded on his arm. As for Elizabeth's thoughts on Snape being evil, I'm still having my reservations and the more I think of it, the more I come to think that there was a plan in place. The only thing that can be said is we'll see with the next book. Oh, and Btw, I just thought I'd share my prediction that I made after reading book 3. Harry's going to end up being the Defense against the Dark Arts teacher when everything is done with Voldermort. Keep an eye out for it becuase I think that's one of my predictions that's always had a good chance of being right.

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Posted 19 July 2005 - 09:05 AM

But Sirius talks about his brother as being sort of an Idiot. In fact he says that he probably got in too deap and was asked to do something and couldn't do it, so he was killed. I don't think he was snooping around doing detective work at all. He was just a scared, which he had ever right to be, he couldn't hack it so he got killed.


Remeber Regulus was a member of the Slug Club, though - assumedly this means he is a good wizard, or well connected.

Harry's going to end up being the Defense against the Dark Arts teacher when everything is done with Voldermort. Keep an eye out for it becuase I think that's one of my predictions that's always had a good chance of being right.


I think Jo said on her website that Harry wouldn't become a teacher... Or else in an interview or something.

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Posted 19 July 2005 - 11:59 AM

First and foremost, my perception of the Dumbledore pleading scene, is simply this..I do not think he was pleading. He was in obvious pain from the potion he drank while trying to recover the locket and it was either a "oh sh*t, i should have seen this coming." or "do it, Snape, quick, I'm hurting here." I still can't decide. I admit, after reading that scene I was out for Snape's blood. I wanted him more than I want Voldy dead. But after reading all the posts, it made me remember the arguement scene with Snape and DD. So it could have been an argument like "Snape, you have to kill me!" "NO WAY, MAN! there has got to be another way!" kind of thing. So that could make absolute sense. DD is the wisest, most powerful wizard. He knew very well that he would be stationed in a picture somewhere in the office of, I guess McGonagall's office now, and that he would be able to lend a hand from there, and knowing that as long as he was alive the paternal affection that he has toward Harry, he would never allow Harry to fight Voldy by himself, but he knew this HAS to happen. So he removed himself from the equation, saving Draco's soul, Snape's life, and keeping the prophecy intact, at the price of weakening the movement and the Order of the Phoenix. I mean you take away a heavy hitter like Dumbledore, the Order all of a sudden doesn't seem like a very impressive thing.
Onto the RAB question: Who is he? I think everyone has pretty much nailed it. It probably is Regulus. I read somewhere on the internet, take this for what it's worth, that his middlename was Amadeus. This was written in May of 2005 so it's not like someone came up with it post July 15th. Again, take it with a grain of salt but if it is, then there is your RAB, a man who has saw all the evils of Voldy up close and personal, decided he wasn't cut out for it, and wanted to thwart him before being killed. But did some damage on his way out. Unfortunately, Dumbledore and Harry now have that "Go f yourself, Voldy!" letter and Voldy will never see it now. (another theory of RAB would be Burke from the store in Knockturn Alley..the one that we learned employed Riddle right after Hogwarts. He would know why Voldemort wanted these trinkets he was seeking and probably spoke on many occasions about horcrux's being that Burke owned a dark magical object store. we may learn his first name eventually. )
The Horcrux's's's's: the locket, the Hufflepuff cup, Nagini the snake, the ring and the diary. What's left? something of either Ravenclaw's, or Gryffindor's. and the part that lives in Voldy himself (If I'm forgetting something let me know). So if they have to find the real locket as it has been relocated by RAB, and the cup..probably found and relocated as well by our pal RAB. the Diary and the ring are destroyed. Nagini and Voldy will be found together more than likely..at the end. So the question is what's the 6th Horcrux. I think it would be pointless if it was something of Ravenclaw's...not really pertinent to the story. Logic would have it that it would be a Gryffindor object. The sword is still safely in the office so it can't be that, so it got me thinking and searching for other opinions..the one I'm thinking, is maybe Dumbledore was a horcrux..knowing this, and then learning of the vow that Snape made, and Draco's assigment from Voldy, and the prophecy, Dumbledore knew he would have to go eventually, so why not now when he can die as he lived, nobley and for a noble cause? These extenuating circumstances (the vow, MAlfoy) expedited his departure. Snape knowing this, knew he would have to do it and their argument was again of the "no way, Dumbledore, there has to be a better way!" variety. That would leave just Nagini and Voldy to go. Assuming RAB destroyed the other 2 objects already..or Harry finds them in book 7. The other theory I read, and I would be impressed if Rowling had the guts to do this to, forget us the readers, but to herself, is make Harry the Gryffindor Horcrux. We already know that Voldy transferred some of his ability to Harry and "marked" him. Maybe he transferred part of his soul? Think about it, in OotP Harry could see thru Voldemort and see thru Nagini when Mr. Weasley was attacked. There is a bond there. Like Voldemort could see the groundskeeper in the hallway listening in on his and Wormtail's conversation in the old Riddle House in the beginning of GoF via Nagini. If it's a part of Voldemort..a horcrux..and harry can do the same thing...wouldn't it be logical??? But of course that would mean that the prophecy would be incorrect. One couldn't live while the other does..but they would both HAVE TO DIE for Voldy to truly be forever vanquished!! Would she dare? I dare her to do that. She's going to put herself and all of us into therapy! :o)

Either way, I love the direction this book has taken. Awesome! I am mad at myself for reading this book this fast. I am already reading it over again.. I loved learning about Riddle, and I really feel like I lost a friend in Dumbledore. Great stuff.

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Posted 19 July 2005 - 01:08 PM

i think i read on jk's website that she would not kill harry for all of her fans would kill her. so i'm not so sure about that theory. it would be very interesting though.

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Posted 19 July 2005 - 01:18 PM

I figure they will both die or Harry will BARELY live..it is obvious that Voldemort will have to go..it is a book that is set for all audiences..meaning CHILDREN too XD and in a childrens book..evil CAN NOT live. I would rather see an ending where Harry dies and Voldemort dies

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Posted 19 July 2005 - 02:01 PM

I also just thought of something else: She never touched on the mirror given to Harry from Sirius. He still has to use this mirror or else it would be pointless. And now that there is, presumably, another Black in the mix (If RAB is in fact Regulus Black) then that communication could be the part where we find out. "Hey Harry, yeah, my brother, Reg, he found the locket and put it in 12 Grimmauld Place. It's there, go find it." 'Cause if you all remember in OotP they were cleaning 12 Grimmauld and came across a locket that no one could open. Threw it out, and then Kreacher grabbed it and put it in her cupboard. And Hermione knows where this cupboard is because she tried to reach out and be kind to Kreacher (Kreacher said something like "how dare the filthy mudblood try to talk to Kreacher!") So she would know where to look..or tell Harry to look. Or of course, Mundungus could have sold it when we found out he was pillaging 12 Grimmauld place. But that would mean that the locket is in Hogsmeade..where Harry confronted Mundungus. Also JK makes it a point to say when Dumbledore and Harry are trying to recover the locket in the cave that something to the effect "Harry noticed this was not a job that could be done alone." So maybe the one accompanying RAB, is still alive?

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Posted 19 July 2005 - 02:09 PM

As to the something of Gryffindor's... This is a bit tenuous, but Gryffindor's first name was Godric. And the Potter's lived in Godric's Hollow - and Harry says he will visit there in the next book. Perhaps' Gryffindor left something of his in the village bearing his name?

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Posted 19 July 2005 - 02:15 PM

I also just thought of something else:  She never touched on the mirror given to Harry from Sirius.  He still has to use this mirror or else it would be pointless.  And now that there is, presumably, another Black in the mix (If RAB is in fact Regulus Black) then that communication could be the part where we find out.  "Hey Harry, yeah, my brother, Reg, he found the locket and put it in 12 Grimmauld Place.  It's there, go find it." 'Cause if you all remember in OotP they were cleaning 12 Grimmauld and came across a locket that no one could open.  Threw it out, and then Kreacher grabbed it and put it in her cupboard.  And Hermione knows where this cupboard is because she tried to reach out and be kind to Kreacher (Kreacher said something like "how dare the filthy mudblood try to talk to Kreacher!")  So she would know where to look..or tell Harry to look.   Or of course, Mundungus could have sold it when we found out he was pillaging 12 Grimmauld place.  But that would mean that the locket is in Hogsmeade..where Harry confronted Mundungus.  Also JK makes it a point to say when Dumbledore and Harry are trying to recover the locket in the cave that something to the effect "Harry noticed this was not a job that could be done alone."  So maybe the one accompanying RAB, is still alive?


I am 99% sure the mirror was broken in book 5, when Harry was furious at himself for forgetting about it.....he threw it and it broke.

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Posted 19 July 2005 - 02:27 PM

Yes, it did break. But it might still be useful for something...
Someone asked her a question about it, I think, and she said it would be more useful than you might think, but less useful than you might think, or something like that.

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Posted 19 July 2005 - 03:20 PM

This book did make me feel that it could be a final book, but I doubt it, I hope Harry returns to Hogwarts in the final one as the whole series revolves around it I also think Harry should be badly injured in the final fight against Voldemort, but I don't know as it's always hard to predict what's in the next book.

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Posted 19 July 2005 - 05:57 PM

Alrock718, you have brought up some really good theories that are definitely in the realm of possibility as far as I can tell. :nn:

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Posted 19 July 2005 - 08:35 PM

Alrock, Very good points made, and very good things to look into and research, all I can say is I hope that we find out about all of this soon and don't have to wait too long for the new book to come out. Nice points made and more things to try and figure out.

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Posted 19 July 2005 - 08:56 PM

Well Harry did say well that even if Hogwarts is to remain open that he most likely wouldnt return..neither would half of the students. Gawd..if I was in that situation I certaintly wouldnt o.o;

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Posted 19 July 2005 - 09:46 PM

I just stumbled onto this site because I have been wanting to hear what others have to say about this crazy book :blink:
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I couldnt believe the whole Snape killing Dumbledore thing... but its starting to make sense to me now.. though I don't want to admit that Snape may have done the right thing.. But I really think he did... I totally agree with the whole DD/Snape argument thing... Its apparent that Dumbledore wanted Malfoy to retain his innocence, so, obviously knowing about the Unbreakble Vow, and knowing that it was either Snape or Draco who had to kill him, he pleaded with Snape to do the right thing and let Malfoy keep his innocence..
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And I like the thoughts about the locket Kreacher took from Grimmauld place ;) That would be pretty sneaky of JK if its the truth :ph34r:
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You know what I think is weird? The whole Ginny and Harry thing.. I love the fact they want each other, but whats crazy is that if they do end up together in the end.. They'll look like James and Lily! I mean.. Harry looks like James obviously, and I'm just guessing Ginny looks like Lily what with her long red hair... Am I crazy? hehe.. I just thought that was kinda cool
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Posted 19 July 2005 - 10:55 PM

*And I like the thoughts about the locket Kreacher took from Grimmauld place ;) That would be pretty sneaky of JK if its the truth :ph34r:
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You know what I think is weird? The whole Ginny and Harry thing.. I love the fact they want each other, but whats crazy is that if they do end up together in the end.. They'll look like James and Lily! I mean.. Harry looks like James obviously, and I'm just guessing Ginny looks like Lily what with her long red hair... Am I crazy? hehe.. I just thought that was kinda cool
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~I think that locket is the same one that contains a horcrux inside. Very sneaky of JK indeed. A great and clever point brought up by Alrock718. ;)

~hehe, I was just thinking about that, too. Harry and Ginny do certainly resemble James and Lily, especially in the looks department. I think it's cool too. ^_^ I wasn't a big fan of Ginny in the previous books, but after reading this one, I no longer feel that way.

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Posted 19 July 2005 - 11:36 PM

I liked Ginny in this book! she has really grown up..I love her sense of humour personally XD I thought she was brilliant. And you know..that Locket thing..I totally forgot about that.. that is very possible

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Posted 19 July 2005 - 11:53 PM

Oooh, I really like that idea on who the locket's stealer coulda been- but then it leads me to wonder: did we ever find out how Sirius' brother died? Could the locket's theft have led a hand in that?

And I myself highly doubt that we'd find any horcruxes in Godric's Hollow- if that was where Harry's family had lived, and Voldy had planned on making his last horcrux when he killed Harry, then there would naturally be one in the place of that act, because it would be such a fond memory for Voldy. But as he did NOT kill Harry, he was unable to make this horcrux. He wouldn't have already had one in the town- it'd mean he'd end up with two in one place. So I'm thinking more likely that it was either an artifact of Ravenclaw, or...something totally unexpected, something small. But so far Voldy's flair for making the most obvious items possible hasn't wavered.

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Posted 20 July 2005 - 01:38 AM

Is there a chance that maybe Snapes old potions book (The one that Harry hid in the Room of Requirement) could be a possible Horcrux? It sounds stupid when I first think of it because why would there be one right there in Hogwarts.. but then again... JK kinda made a point to be precise on where she had Harry put the book... Putting the mannequin with the wig and everything on top of the cabinet... But remind me ('Cause I more than likely dont know what i'm talking about because i'm half asleep) what was that cabinet he put the book inside? It wasnt the vanishing cabinet.... Because that's where the Death Eaters came in through.. I dunno... the old potions book was just a thought running through my mind so I thought I'd share it :P

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Posted 20 July 2005 - 06:11 AM

Yeah, I was wondering what became of the book. Harry went to such great lengths to make sure he'd be able to find it when he went back into the Room of Requirement that I was kinda surprised it didn't get touched on again.

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Posted 20 July 2005 - 07:07 AM

Voldemort's pretty stupid making his horcruxes so obvious, really. If, say, he'd made a pebble into a horcrux and then thrown it into the sea, no one would ever find it...

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Posted 20 July 2005 - 09:29 AM

Voldemort's pretty stupid making his horcruxes so obvious, really. If, say, he'd made a pebble into a horcrux and then thrown it into the sea, no one would ever find it...

That wouldn't make a very good story, though. ^.-

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Posted 20 July 2005 - 10:02 AM

Voldemort's pretty stupid making his horcruxes so obvious, really. If, say, he'd made a pebble into a horcrux and then thrown it into the sea, no one would ever find it...


plus he would have to eventually find it if he needed it too, no?

I thought of a couple of things this morning, but I forgot..just some fun things to ponder. If they come back to me I'll post 'em.




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