Ha, figured as much. Neither of these two indicates that the Hero's Shade had to be a Link. Booyah.
Those quotes really have nothing to do with whether or not he was Link, they involve his relationship to TP Link - which is still said to be by blood, it's just that one of those quotes extrapolated that - which I'm guessing was deliberate, if they knew who he was. The point is more this one:
You have at last mastered all of the hidden skills.
Although I accepted life as the hero, I could not convey the lessons of that
life to those who came after. At last, I have eased my regrets.
You who have marched through countless foes, each mightier than the last...
You, who now gaze to the future with vision unclouded...
Surely you can restore Hyrule to its stature of yore as the chosen land of the
Go and do not falter, my child!
I think a snippet Jumbie posted ages ago (like, on the first page) suggested that this is the same in the Japanese version.
So we agree, then. I mean, if that case then we have no reason to think Link is any is no different from anyone else in TWW. Well, Zelda is related to her ancestor, but that's not important. What's important is that they look, act and function in the same way. They don't have to be literally the same people (like Ganondorf) as long as they play the same part in fate's little game. And that, they most certainly do.
Yes, until fate takes a very different course at the end. And the reason Ganondorf said it WAS because of that part in fate's game (along with his clothes and sword), and nothing else. Figuratively, TWW Link is the replacement for the Hero of Time, but this means nothing timeline-wise. It's just self-evident in the game. He's still the Hero of Winds, meaning he's also somewhat unique.
1) It's a statistical likelihood that he had living relatives, although they are in all probability distant ones.
And hence it's totally irrelevant. Being a distant, indirect relative or not would have absolutely NO bearing on what the King or Ganondorf or anyone else says, nor would it make him the Hero of Time reborn. To suggest anything about TWW Link's heritage is pretty much ridiculous.
2) The whole point of Link's origin story describes that his mother attempted to flee from the war and that she was only just able to make it to the forest to give her baby up to the Deku Tree. There's no way he even could have been left in another relative's care.
...Because there wasn't anyone. If she had family, where the hell were they? At war? Dead? If they weren't with her, there's no evidence or logic in saying that they exist. You can't assume something existed because we're not explicitly told otherwise. ...Oh, right, I just remembered who I'm talking to.
3) No one's arguing anything more than the figurative sense; we're arguing from the concept that heroes emerge from the bloodline of the legendary Knights as ALttP posed a long time ago.
But there's absolutely no evidence to suggest that in TWW. No matter what Ganondorf says, that's not a blood relationship to the Hero of Time. Anything else is being pulled out of someone's ass.
And I should point at that the debate was actually
over whether or not TWW Link was a reincarnation of OoT Link. Which he's not. So Ganondorf's line is irrelevant.
As for Link being the Hero of Time reborn, I have found that most translators didn't interpret him as such, but translated the weird word for reincarnated as being a "worthy successor of the Hero of Time". This doesn't change that the King, Valoo, the Great Deku Tree and Jabun were wrong, either. But it's interesting to know.
Exactly, it's just like MPS said. He's a successor. But I fail to see how any of those people were wrong. They all said that he's not the Hero of Time. And factually, he's not. They put their faith in him anyway. They were still completely right about what he wasn't, it's just that Link becomes the Hero of Winds instead.
The King is wrong when he says he's not realted to teh legend because they hoped to find literally the same Hero of Time. That doesn't mean there's no relation between them. In fact, I believe there is.
This doesn't make sense. You believe that there's a relationship, and therefore the King was wrong? The King was still completely right. There's NO possible reason to say that TWW Link is related to the Hero of Time legend. He's not the Hero of Time and he's not a descendant of the Hero of Time. That was what the King was saying, and it's true.
Impossible claimed there was absolutely no evidence - and that's a lie.
It's not a lie, I just don't see how the shield proves anything. It doesn't seem to have any significance. It might have the vague POSSIBILITY of meaning something if Link could be a direct descendant of the Hero of Time, but he's not.
Reading that OoT ending, I got a sudden sense of deja vu. I think maybe Jumbie DID do it before. >_< I could be crazy, though.
Lol, well that clears up one big problem. Zelda took the Ocarina and sent Link immediately to the past. Now, who was it that theorised Zelda transported Link to the Temple of Time, in order for Link to place the Master Sword and return to the past himself?
Who cares? What kind of crazy person would theorise something that directly contradicts exactly what is shown in the game?
Edited by Impossible, 16 September 2008 - 06:08 AM.