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[Overconfidence]

Okay, using your own body, prove to me that you originated from a single-celled organism.

Well, that might take a while, and I might need some tools for that. Using your own body, prove to me that you origionated from elsewhere - WHOA, don't reach for that Bible, eh. (Or anything like that)

Using physics and logic, show me why humans beings are the only creatures that use creativity to express themselves for more than just dominance, or the process of mating.

... That's kind of what we do, unfortunately, just in more creative manners.

Using psychology, explain deja vu. I know it's not religious based, but as far as I'm aware it still remains in the "unexplained".

Stuff happens in your subconcious. Or you're just being on your toes.

If logic is the be-all-end-all of this world, then why are there illogical things in existence?

Like what?

Why do humans wonder about their origins, their purpose, or the reason for life in the first place? I'm sure physics can explain that pretty easily. Can't it?

How do you know that other animals don't? Maybe it's just because we happen to be more concious than them that it's something we think about. Maybe spirituality is humanity's way of coping with this conciousness.

A male lion, upon taking over a pride, will kill all cubs that are not from his own line. Why would a person run into a burning house to save a child they've never met?

We're not lions. Nye?

There's millions of instances of emotions taking over that cannot be put into logic when compared against every other creature on this earth. Why then, are humans so different if there is nothing deeper inside of us? Where do ethics, and moral values come from? Guilt? Revenge? Justice?

Because Society tells us. Heck, if society said it was fine to kill people, I probably would. *shrug* Morals are taught to us. Ingrained. A child will hit another child without thinking, until we tell them that it's not right. Morals are the product of generations of teaching, not neccesarily instinct.

[Bond Extreme]

No. He wouldn't be crying. Jesus never cries. Hes perfect. And besides he gave them a chance but they don't want to accept the truth.

[arunma]

No. He wouldn't be crying. Jesus never cries. Hes perfect. And besides he gave them a chance but they don't want to accept the truth.

St. Luke 19:41 -- And when he drew near and saw the city, he wept over it.

St. John 11:35 -- Jesus wept.

Obviously I believe that Jesus is perfect, but he did cry. Sorry, I guess I can be nitpicky at times.

[Bond Extreme]

That was when he was on earth. Well I do know though that he does not weep for people in hell.

[Alakhriveion]

Wow, really? So all that universal love stuff was actually, um, not?

[Selena]

....How would you know? Did you go talk with him for a while? o.O

[dcLx]

You can also tell this is fake because

1) Hell is not located in Earth
2) We don't even know whats below the Earth...Scientist just know its very hot and there Might be a Mantle, etc because of radioactive waves and because we can only dig so many feet into the earth. For all we know aliens could be living under the ground of the earth

[Overconfidence]

You can also tell this is fake because  

1) Hell is not located in Earth
2) We don't even know whats below the Earth...Scientist just know its very hot and there Might be a Mantle, etc because of radioactive waves and because we can only dig so many feet into the earth. For all we know aliens could be living under the ground of the earth

Contradiction: Then Hell COULD be in the earth. Of course, it's very probable that it is NOT, but still.

[Fyxe]

So he'd forgive you for not believing in him?

I'd just like to bring up this again, because I've always thought this was something that's overlooked.

I believe Jesus existed, but I don't necessarily believe he was part of God or that there is a god. But I also follow good moral values as best as I can, and do my best to never hurt people and to live a good life. My only 'sin' that I don't feel guilty for is not necessarily believing in something just because lots of other people do.

Lots of people also believe in Hinduism, etc., who's to say they are wrong, from my perspective? All I'm going on is what people are telling me.

Surely, a human should not be sent to eternal damnation for not knowing the truth.

And if God did let people suffer like that, then what sort of place would heaven truely be?

[Korhend]

Then souls could escape through volcanoes, and hell wouldn't be that effective, would it?

[Fyxe]

Just because hell would be inside the Earth doesn't mean souls could just fly out of volcanos. Or do anything except suffer.

Not saying that I believe it would be down there, but it's no less bizarre than the whole concept of an alternate world of suffering ruled by Satan, anyway.

[Showsni]

Surely, a human should not be sent to eternal damnation for not knowing the truth.

And if God did let people suffer like that, then what sort of place would heaven truely be?

No, what you're damned for is sinning. If you live your whole life without sinning, then fine, you go to heaven. Jesus saves people who have sinned, though.

[wisp]

Using psychology, explain deja vu. I know it's not religious based, but as far as I'm aware it still remains in the "unexplained".

Actually, there is a theory about deja vu dealing with the short term memory - like sometimes it will lapse a bit right when something happens to you and you'll feel for a split second that what you've just done has happened before.

I don't remember exactly what the theory stated, but that's the gist of it. If I can find any articles about it, I'll linky.

[Fyxe]

No, what you're damned for is sinning. If you live your whole life without sinning, then fine, you go to heaven. Jesus saves people who have sinned, though.

Well, the concept is that you can't live a life without sin, but if you believe that Jesus will save us for our sins, then you go to heaven, right?

Isn't that how it works?

I mean, I'm sure I've sinned and I feel guilty for any bad things I've done and I do everything I can to make up for them, but I still don't believe in a god. Does that mean I therefore go to hell?

Why should personal belief affect whether you deserve to be saved or not, if you try to live well?

As for deja vu... What the hell IS deja vu? Deja vu never happens like in the Matrix. It's just what people say when they see something very similar to something they've seen before. As far as I know deja vu is just a mental illusion.

[Showsni]

There must be ways to make up for sins without Jesus... Otherwise, everyone in the Old Testament is in serious trouble. And some of them were pretty good people... like David, say. He sinned, and Jesus hadn't died then. There must be ways to atone for sin... But it's a lot easier just to accept Jesus' sacrifice.

Deja vu is weird. I suppose it's evidence that when you die, your soul goes back in time and lives your life again. And you keep a few odd memories. Or else, life continually repeats itself. But leaves a long enough time gap that we can't quite remember it properly...

[Vazor]

There must be ways to make up for sins without Jesus... Otherwise, everyone in the Old Testament is in serious trouble. And some of them were pretty good people... like David, say. He sinned, and Jesus hadn't died then. There must be ways to atone for sin... But it's a lot easier just to accept Jesus' sacrifice.

It only regaurds those born after Jesus's sacrifice. The people in the old testament didn't have Jesus, so they went by the old laws of atoning for their sins. However, after Jesus's life God gave us a new way to atone for our sins, and the old one was abolished.

[Selena]

Deja vu is just going through a scenario and feeling like you've done it before, but you can't remember if you have or haven't.



Like if you drive down a dark country road, and sudden feeling of nostalgia take over you, but you don't know why. Maybe you did it before and just can't remember. Others claim that it's proof that people remember their past lives, if such things exist. But nyc's probably right, and it's just a short in somebody's memory.

[Overconfidence]

I was under the general impression that if you believe in God, you will go to Heaven, and if you do not, you will go to Hell, unless you're a mass murderer or whatnot. The idea is that if you sin but believe in Jesus, then he will forgive you, but he won't if you don't believe. But then, if you do believe in him, then you most likely will make an effort to lead a life devoid of sin (as much as possible). The only exception to that would be, say, Satanists (Because they would have to believe in God's existance, or should), but aren't 'on his side'.

That was just my (uneducated) impression .

[wisp]

Satanism, from what I understand, is nothing but a ridiculous glorification of the self.

You know how lots of religions have their "main" rules, like the Golden Rule, Wiccan Rede, etc...? Well, the one for Satanists is "Do as thou wilt is the whole of the law."

Pretty arrogant.

[Overconfidence]

Satanism, from what I understand, is nothing but a ridiculous glorification of the self.

You know how lots of religions have their "main" rules, like the Golden Rule, Wiccan Rede, etc...? Well, the one for Satanists is "Do as thou wilt is the whole of the law."

Pretty arrogant.

/shrug

Acknowledging Satan is acknowledging God, so I was just making a point.. but I might be wrong.

[Emiko]

For all those who state that God created Hell; here is what I have to say...

To say that God created Hell is to go against EVERYTHING the bible says about "God loving every creature.." For in fact it states that God doesnt want anyone to die, but to gain everlasting life...

plus...hell is when you have to go poop really bad and have no toilet paper

[Goose]

I like Emi's analysis, hell is constipation.

[spunky-monkey]

Originally Posted by Showsni
No, what you're damned for is sinning. If you live your whole life without sinning, then fine, you go to heaven.

Only problem there is everyone is a sinner because we're all born into original sin, sucks doesn't it?

I read somewhere in the New Testament that even if you don't know what you're doing is wrong in God's eyes you are still guilty. (I think Paul said it, not sure) From what I can gather you can still go to Hell regardless of not knowing right from wrong. I can understand punishment for making a big mistake, but being condemned forever for it, it just plain wrong.

[Bond Extreme]

For all those who state that God created Hell; here is what I have to say...

To say that God created Hell is to go against EVERYTHING the bible says about "God loving every creature.." For in fact it states that God doesnt want anyone to die, but to gain everlasting life...  

plus...hell is when you have to go poop really bad and have no toilet paper

It may make no sense but God is the creator of everything. God created hell. You can't be serious if you think that satan created it...... Satan was once just an angel.

[spunky-monkey]

Angels are far more powerful than Humans though. The fact that Hell exists is proof that creation screwed up, big time. But its so strange...if God can do anything then why the need for Hell? Wouldn't it be kinder (for all of us) to restart time?

[Bond Extreme]

Ok listen to me. When God created humans he gave them a choice to beleive in him or not to beleive in him. The only thing God can not do is make someone beleive in him. He doesn't want humans to be robots. When people go to hell you can't blame God about it. It was there choice.

[31-Year-Old-From-Georgia]

So, I guess God doesn't love all. By that logic, billions of people are in Hell right now. Because they didn't believe in something that has absolutely no proof.

Oh, well. Hopefully the damned have a worker union.

[MikePetersSucks]

Only problem there is everyone is a sinner because we're all born into original sin, sucks doesn't it?

Which begs the question: What is Original Sin? I've been told that it was because Adam and Eve chowed on that apple, but why are we being blamed for THEIR mistakes?

But its so strange...if God can do anything then why the need for Hell? Wouldn't it be kinder (for all of us) to restart time?

Restarting time would be bad, though. I could imagine Hell as a temporary purgatory though, but hold on.

Babies go to Heaven because they're unaccountable for their actions because they don't know right from wrong.

Adults who die go to Hell even if they don't know right or wrong.

Babies have Original Sin, but we're all accountable for Original Sin. If babies can get away with it, what's the point of Original Sin?

When people go to hell you can't blame God about it. It was there choice.

But it wasn't a fair choice. Not only does God give no proof except his word (Which was corrupted by man) But he doesn't even guarantee that everyone hears his word.

That aside, God could've picked a better solution than Hell. Like...Karma? >_> Worked with those other gods.

[Delphi]

Guess that's why I like my religion. The second article of faith states:

We believe that man will be punished by their own sins and not for Adam's transgression

So I don't believe that we are responsible for the original sin.

[Doopliss]

It may make no sense but God is the creator of everything. God created hell. You can't be serious if you think that satan created it...... Satan was once just an angel.

Care to give a Bible quote that proves that, please?

Which begs the question: What is Original Sin? I've been told that it was because Adam and Eve chowed on that apple, but why are we being blamed for THEIR mistakes?

According to Catholics --at least-- someone (maybe Jesus, I don't remember, I give a damn about the Bible) told that as the entire human kind will be punished for what a single person did, the whole human kind will be punished, when one person does something good, god will reward everyone. This works fine for a quick and improvised explanation for a kindergarden child, but actually I find it contradictory because Adam and Eve's sin supposedly made us be able to go hell, but all the saints' actions would save us. Though that's just my Atheist point of view.

About the déja vu, it's produced because of a stimulation of the temporal lobe, which gives a false sensation of knowing something.