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[Bond Extreme]

Why should I give a bible verse, Doopliss? Even if I did you would just dissagree with it and all of you would start arguing with it. I have waisted so much time in here.

[Doopliss]

I don't believe at all in anything supernatural that the bible says, but I can anyway discuss if what you believe is supported by the bible, which would be the only canon source for Chrisitanity (yes, I'm a Zelda storyliner). It's like when I discuss Zelda, I don't believe it to be true, but I discuss what the games clain to be true, and what is fanfic.

So, if you'd be kind enough, provide a quote, or at least tell me in which book it comes or any other fact that can convince me that it comes in the bible.

[arunma]

Care to give a Bible quote that proves that, please?

Here's Biblical support for the belief that God (and not the devil) created hell:

St. John 1:3, "All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made."

St. Matthew 25:41, "Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels."

[Doopliss]

I fail to see how that proves what you are telling me.

[Nevermind]

What the hell?

It says right there "the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels." Now you're just being nitpicky. You asked for support from the Bible that God created Hell, and they gave it. It supports it.

You're asking someone to prove something from a viewpoint that cannot be proved in itself anyway. It's just spite.

[Doopliss]

I'm asking quotes that prove that the devil is a falln angel who created hell. I'd hate to be a nitpicky.

[Nevermind]

1. How are they meant to prove it?

2. The point they were trying to make is that the devil didn't create Hell.

[Doopliss]

Wtf? Yes, apparently god created hell according to the bible, just ignore my other posts. It was a misreading misake. Apologies.

[Nevermind]

No worries.

[SOAP]

Yes, God created hell but not for humans. Satan drags us there or something. Hell was originally intended for Satan and his angels. Nothing more. Actually I think I posted this earlier but apparantly my post got lost.

*takes off Christian hat*

[Emiko]

my point was that there is no hell XP

[Bond Extreme]

Well there is a hell.

[spunky-monkey]

So Hell exists because God refuses to destroy our souls but rather throw us into the eternal fires huh? Can souls even be destroyed?
Hmm…given the choice between Hell and destruction of the spirit, I'd rather seize to exist, thank you very much...

[Fyxe]

You'd make a good lawyer (that was referring to Bond Extreme).

Away from simple minded 'cos I said so' arguements and back to geniune discussion... What was Satan's sin, other than rebelling against God? Is he as evil as the hell he supposedly inhabits, or is he another 'prisoner' of that realm, wherever and whatever it may be? If God made hell, and if hell is the punishment, does that mean God is capable of creating much more evil than Satan is?

[spunky-monkey]

Hell is Evil. I always believed God cannot make anything Evil. Someone help me here.

[Selena]

God occasionally blows up cities and orders the slaughter of an entire kingdom. I think he can be evil sometimes.

[Bond Extreme]

No. God doesn't blow up cities. The devil does all of that. Just to let you know the devil also has control of this world. Not just God. Well actually everything that looks horrible the devil does. He wants to make this world as horrible as possible.

[Selena]

So Soddom and Gomorrah were destroyed by Lucifer, then?

[spunky-monkey]

No. God doesn't blow up cities. The devil does all of that.

I wish you were right, but no, God can destroy us quite easily I'm afraid.

[Emiko]

So Soddom and Gomorrah were destroyed by Lucifer, then?

no they were destroyed by fire and sulfer which was created by God...only because they were sinful and wanted to have sex with his angels...

and he told Lot that if Lot could find one other faithful man that resided there he would spare the two cities..

And the only reason why people say that there is a hell is because they are fearful of not having an existance past death..they have to have a reason for everything..so if you are good you go to Heaven and if you are bad you go to hell...but what defines if a person is good or bad? for if you say that so and so is bad, then are you not infact being "bad" for judging them?

Jesus stated about the dead that they are just sleeping, so wouldn't death be a sleep like state in where you are resting until the day that you face your judgement? The bible also says that the meek will inherit the Earth...so who are these meek? are they the good people or the bad people? if people just go to heaven or hell then why does the bible state that the good will be ressurected to an Earthly paradise?

[31-Year-Old-From-Georgia]

no they were destroyed by fire and sulfer which was created by God...only because they were sinful and wanted to have sex with his angels...

*thud*

It always comes down to that somehow.

[SteveT]

no they were destroyed by fire and sulfer which was created by God...only because they were sinful and wanted to have sex with his angels...

BLASPHEMY! It was because they wanted to have gay sex with the angels.

[spunky-monkey]

Originally Posted by Kawaii Emiko
no they were destroyed by fire and sulfer which was created by God...only because they were sinful and wanted to have sex with his angels...

Wrong way around some Angels became jealous of Man (don't ask me why) and wanted to have children with the daughters of Adam and Eve...

[Selena]

Nah, she's right. The angels wanting to bang humans was an entirely different incident, mentioned in Genesis. The Nephilim and all of that.




But the point stands. God has his dark side. XP

[31-Year-Old-From-Georgia]

And his greedy side. Keeping his whores all to himself. >.<

[Nevermind]

To answer your question, Fyxe, Lucifer's sin was pride. He was the most proud of the angels because he was the highest. He believed himself to be too high of a being to praise that which God had created. Thus he fought. I dunno if it'd be more likely that he rebelled against humanity or against God, but he rebelled nonetheless.

[Emiko]

it wasnt that they got jealous of man..but they grew lustful for the daughters of man ... they ended up leaving the girls and their children when god flooded the earth

[Nevermind]

No that's a different story altogether. Those were 200 some angels that took human wives and produced the Nephilim and Rephaim (which it was speculated Goliath was a descendant of). They also taught the ways of magic, weaponry, fighting, and stuff to mankind.

Those angels weren't cast out of Heaven as such, but were chained and trapped in 'Abbadon', the abyss. There they remain until the end of time, in which they will receive special judgement.

[Dai Grepher]

I am a Christian and I think it is fake.