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[Zythe]

Exactly. I think its just another Triumph Forks thing.

[SOAP]

I think the Light Force became the Triforce when people finally realized there was three of them (Tri+Force=Three Forces).

[Hero of Winds]

Alright, I'm really sick of all this Light Force=Triforce crap.

The Triforce was created by the Goddesses. The Light Force was given to the Hyruleans by the Minish. Thus, the two are NOT one in the same, unless proven otherwise by FS DS.

You can't refute that.

[SOAP]

Oh yes, because you say so I guess it must be true. XP

[Zythe]

Yes, Hero. Given by and made by are exactly the same. XP

[Vazor]

Let's speculate a little bit: The goddesses MADE the Triforce, and the Minish GAVE it to the people, bringing it out of the sacred realm. That seems to be the most logical to me.

[Hero of Winds]

Yes, Hero. Given by and made by are exactly the same. XP

Don't be an idiot. The Goddesses created the Triforce and hid it in the Sacred Realm.

The three great goddesses,
their labors completed,
departed for the heavens.

And golden sacred triangles
remained at the point where the
goddesses left the world.

Since then, the sacred triangles
have become the basis of our
world's providence.

And, the resting place of the
triangles has become the
Sacred Realm.

OoT proves that after the Golden Goddesses created Hyrule and the Triforce, they put it in the Sacred Realm. Considering that the Triforce stayed in the Sacred Realm between then and OoT, how would the Minish enter the realm, get the Triforce, give it to the people, the people rename it the Light Force, then rename it the Triforce, put it back, and forget all about it? Doesn't that seem a bit, oh I don't know, stupid?

[Zythe]

I never disputed that the Triforce was made by the goddesses. There is evidence to suggest that the Minish are native to the Sacred Realm.

[Vazor]

Let's say for all purposes in this post that the Triforce is the Light Force. This is how it could fit, based on evidence from the games:

First, look at the OoT backstory: The three goddesses leave Hyrule with their work done and leave the Triforce, which grows into the Sacred Realm, where it remains. This is unarguably the first thing that ever happens in the Zelda timeline.

OK, look at the Minish cap. We find out in the backstory that the Minish are from the "Minish Realm" (The Sacred Realm"), and gave the "Light Force" to the people of Hyrule. Fair enough. So at this point, the force is in Hyrule.

Now back to the OoT backstory. It says that the sages built the Temple of Time to guard the Triforce, and forged the Master Sword to seal it away in the sacred realm with the MS as the key. BUT WAIT! Where is the temple of time in MC? It's nowhere to be found. Also, there is no mention of sages. Therefore, this part must take place after MC. But why? Perhaps, as the LTTP backstory says, people were trying to get the Triforce's power. But who would do this in such a way that it would make such a big difference?

Let's take a look at the AoL backstory now. It says that the King hid away the Triforce of Courage, and in the game it is in the great palace. But it never directly says that the ancient king actually put the ToC in the temple himself. Therefore, it could be assumed that the ToC was only hid at this time, and placed in the great palace at a later time. It also says that the ToW and ToP were left in the kingdom. This bugged me for a while, until I thought about LTTP. Link has the full Triforce. HE could have easily been the one to hide it away in the Great Palace, the other two Triforces being left in the Kingdom, setting the stage for LoZ/AoL.

So, what we've got so far is: Triforce created, Minish bring Triforce to Hyrule, The wizard wants to steal the Triforce but dies, the king sees that the Triforce must be guarded and appoints the sages to protect it, Triforce sealed in the Sacred Realm, setting up the story for OoT.

Comments? Questions? Suggestions?

[Hero of Winds]

I never disputed that the Triforce was made by the goddesses. There is evidence to suggest that the Minish are native to the Sacred Realm.

Such as? I already went over the fact that the Four Sword Shrine/Sanctuary is in Hyrule.

Vazor, that's definitely a good theory. Except for the fact that the Minish Realm isn't the Sacred Realm, and the Triforce has always been three golden triangles (which is not what the Light Force is).

[Vazor]

So they didn't have all three parts at the time. At that point they probably just didn't know that there were three parts, and didn't start calling it the Triforce until they found out there were three.
And since when wasn't the Minish Realm the Sacred Realm? It makes perfect sense. I know from other threads that there are people on this form support this theory, and I'm pretty sure that's what the developers were suggesting.

[Hero of Winds]

So they didn't have all three parts at the time.  At that point they probably just didn't know that there were three parts, and didn't start calling it the Triforce until they found out there were three.
And since when wasn't the Minish Realm the Sacred Realm?  It makes perfect sense.  I know from other threads that there are people on this form support this theory, and I'm pretty sure that's what the developers were suggesting.

So you're saying the Minish only took one part of the Triforce into Hyrule? So then why was it called the Triforce for the AoL, ALttP, and OoT backstories if the Hyruleans only saw one part? How would they ever learn of the other two triangles at all?

If they were suggesting a connection between the Minish and Sacred Realms, they'd use the name 'Sacred Realm.' They didn't. The Minish Realm is never described as being the Sacred Realm, nor is it even implied. It's just speculation, with no basis in the canon.

[Zythe]

It is. The Shrine. Shrine topic. Discuss there. As for why they didn't bring the whole Triforce. Because that's what they decided to do. There doesn't have to be any divine reason.

[Hero of Winds]

It is. The Shrine. Shrine topic. Discuss there. As for why they didn't bring the whole Triforce. Because that's what they decided to do. There doesn't have to be any divine reason.

You haven't produced any proof, in any topic, as for why the Minish Realm = Sacred Realm.

And I wasn't questioning why the Minish only brought one part of the Triforce. I wanted to know how Hyrule knew of the other two parts.

[Vazor]

Remember, at the time of MC, there is no MS locking the gate to the Minish/Sacred Realm. Suppose the Hylians, now knowing that the Minish Realm exists because they witnessed and heard the tale of MC Link's adventure, decided to go into the Minish realm and ended up finding the other two parts? It could have easily been the King or Zelda who went into the Minish Realm and brought it back to bring power to the monarchy. But then the AoL backstory happens and the sages lock the gate.

[MikePetersSucks]

I have to agree with Winds on this. The Sacred Realm is a divine place where EVERYTHING IS GOLD, a PERFECT paradise where the Triforce is hidden from ALL! The Minish Realm is a realm that resembles Hyrule, except inhabited by creatures you might find in a fairy tale. There is no Triforce, no golden sky, and NO TEMPLE of LIGHT either. There's evidence proving they're seperate, while there's no evidence proving they're the same. Jesus, it's the "Termina is a Country" theory all over again. Let us not forget the entrances into these realms. The Minish realm is only open every 100 years. If the Triforce was here, then any shmoe could take advantage of this oppurtunity and claim it. In the Sacred Realm, however, we have hidden portals that are open ALL THE TIME, but are sealed to be one way. There's also the Master Sword and the Magic Mirror. and this Light Force/Triforce bullshit is exactly that. bullshit. It was cute for a while. now let it DIE! If the Light Force is the Triforce, why not have several Ganondorfs? A Tetraforce? One Link? a Multi-timeline? Soul Calibur as canon? urhrhrhrhrhr.

[Vazor]

Someone's angry.

And where exactly does it say that everything in the Sacred Realm is actually MADE of gold? All that stuff about the "golden" land is just a metaphor. A sky can't be made of gold. And about the temple of light, try reading my post a little bit up the page. There's no temple of light in MC because the sages didn't exist yet. The sages built the temple of light and the temple of time after Minish Cap, which is obvious because if MC is at the beginning of the timeline then the temples must have been built between MC and OoT. And the Master Sword was forged around the same time as the temples were built and locked the gate to the Sacred/Minish Realm. And did it ever occur to you that the Sacred Realm might have CHANGED over the years? Remember, the "Sacred Realm" changes depending on whoever was the person to touch the Triforce. The Minish Realm as we see it is a neutral Sacred Realm. After MC, the Light Force has been touched by those with good hearts, thus the Minish Realm has to turn into the "Golden Land".

And who says the Sacred Realm doesn't resemble Hyrule? I'd like to point out a game called A Link To The Past. The Dark World is an exact reflection of Hyrule, just evil, the way the Minish Realm is a purely neutral Hyrule. Or, in your infinite wisdom, have you decided that the Dark World is not The Sacred Realm?

In Conclusion: Check your posts for factual evidence before you start yelling about why I'm wrong. Remember that I'm only THEORIZING here. Most of this forum is Zelda THEORY.

[Hero of Winds]

Remember, at the time of MC, there is no MS locking the gate to the Minish/Sacred Realm.  Suppose the Hylians, now knowing that the Minish Realm exists because they witnessed and heard the tale of MC Link's adventure, decided to go into the Minish realm and ended up finding the other two parts?  It could have easily been the King or Zelda who went into the Minish Realm and brought it back to bring power to the monarchy.  But then the AoL backstory happens and the sages lock the gate.

The problem with that is the Minish Realm only opens once every one hundred years, and only ones with a pure heart can enter. Right? So how could anybody enter the Minish Realm?

[Vazor]

Why wouldn't Zelda or the King go into the Minish Realm? After all, it WAS the one time in a hundred years it could be entered, and I'm sure Zelda and the King were both of pure enough heart to enter. And when they touched the Triforce...
Bam. The Golden land.

[Zythe]

The Minish Realm is a realm that resembles Hyrule, except inhabited by creatures you might find in a fairy tale. There is no Triforce, no golden sky, and NO TEMPLE of LIGHT either. There's evidence proving they're seperate, while there's no evidence proving they're the same. Jesus, it's the "Termina is a Country" theory all over again

You know none of this as fact. We have no idea what the Minish realm looks like except for the Four Sword Shrine, which we see in other threads as being part of the SACRED realm.

Why wouldn't Zelda or the King go into the Minish Realm? After all, it WAS the one time in a hundred years it could be entered, and I'm sure Zelda and the King were both of pure enough heart to enter. And when they touched the Triforce...
Bam. The Golden land.

Now that would explain the Golden aspect described in some games, opposed to Sacred in others, seeing as Gold is always a colour or element associated with green.

[SOAP]

Such as? I already went over the fact that the Four Sword Shrine/Sanctuary is in Hyrule.

Vazor, that's definitely a good theory. Except for the fact that the Minish Realm isn't the Sacred Realm, and the Triforce has always been three golden triangles (which is not what the Light Force is).

Not in LoZ. There was only two.

Also, at the end of TMC, don't you get Courage added to your inventory or whatever? How could Link obtain the Triforce of Courage if it was left unmeddled-with in the Sacred Realm?

[Fatgoron]

You get a gold triangle added to your quest status screen when you're selecting a saved game. There's no indication of what it is, save for proof that you've beaten Vaati.

[Zythe]

the Triforce has always been three golden triangles (which is not what the Light Force is).

Who said it was three. Our entire argument was that Light Force is the singular name for the triangles that compose the Triforce. Jaya!

[Vazor]

And then the King passed it down to his son in the AoL backstory and it split into three, the Tri Forces.

[Fatgoron]

If the minish brought the hero of men the triforce, why is it represented as a single piece in the stained glass images?
The people of hyrule have the triforce symbol all over the castle, and if we are to take "courage and wisdom" to mean those pieces of the triforce, there should be more than just the one singular triangle shown in the stained glass pictures.

[Hero of Winds]

Why wouldn't Zelda or the King go into the Minish Realm?  After all, it WAS the one time in a hundred years it could be entered, and I'm sure Zelda and the King were both of pure enough heart to enter.  And when they touched the Triforce...
Bam.  The Golden land.

If the King was able to enter the Minish Realm, then why didn't he enter? Why send Link? Why put the emphasis on only children being able to enter the Minish Realm? And don't you think something like the King entering the Minish Realm and finding the other two Triforce parts would be mentioned at some point in the game? It is a big deal.

You know none of this as fact. We have no idea what the Minish realm looks like except for the Four Sword Shrine, which we see in other threads as being part of the SACRED realm.

For the last time, NO!! The Four Sword Shrine is NOT IN THE SACRED REALM. Go play FSA, which shows the shrine being in Hyrule at the base of the Tower of Winds.

Who said it was three. Our entire argument was that Light Force is the singular name for the triangles that compose the Triforce. Jaya!

Well Vaxor is trying to say that the Light Force is only one Triforce part, because the Triforce has always been three triangles, since it's creation by the goddesses. Those three triangles were always referred to as the Triforce.

As it stands, there is no credible proof that the Light Force is the Triforce, or the Minish Realm is the Sacred Realm. All you guys have managed to come up with is a bunch of speculation with far too many inconsistencies. For instance, the Triforce is never referenced as the Light Force at all. The Minish Realm is most certainly not the Sacred Realm, as Zythe is so wrongly adamant about. And the Four Sword Shrine is in Hyrule, another thing Zythe is so wrongly adamant about. There have been ZERO connections between the Light Force and the Triforce. Not to mention, it's completely illogical for the Minish to only bring one part of the Triforce to Hyrule (how are they even capable of doing that?) and for the King, who can't even enter the Minish Realm, to find the other two parts and bring them into Hyrule, unknown to everyone else.

[SOAP]

For the last time, NO!! The Four Sword Shrine is NOT IN THE SACRED REALM. Go play FSA, which shows the shrine being in Hyrule at the base of the Tower of Winds.

You need to take a chil pill, okay!

Replayed the Frozen Hyrule level last night. Twice. You leave the Ice Temple, go into a bunch of trees, suddenly you're in the FS Shrine, put the stones in their places, a bunch glowy light effects take place, leave through a bunch of trees and there's the Tower of the Winds dead ahead. Any number of things could've occured when you enter the small patch of forest and come out the other end. The Four Sword Shrine doesn't neccessarily lie at the base of the Tower. Why would they have to exit and go back into the tower? Don't they have indoor stairs leading from the Shrine to the rest of the tower? Looks like you're the one who needs to replay FSA.

[Zythe]

... the Minish to only bring one part of the Triforce to Hyrule (how are they even capable of doing that?)

They pick it up. With their hands.

[Hero of Winds]

They pick it up. With their hands.

Aren't you clever.

In order to even touch the Triforce, and not have something weird happen, the Minish would have to be in balance of all three attributes (power, wisdom, courage), which is yet another thing you have to speculate over.

The fact of the matter is, you have nothing. You have no proof that the Minish Realm is the Sacred Realm, and no proof that the Light Force is the Triforce, and no proof for any of the other theories you've come up with since the game's release (like the goddesses being Minish). Until you show me a SINGLE quote from TMC that even implies anything you've been trying to prove, you lose.

Mario Jr: Look at this.



You see that grouping of snowy trees that's between the Ice Temple and Tower of Winds? That's where the shrine is located. The reason they need to go in and out is because it's the only way to get to the tower.