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#61 Zythe

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Posted 08 January 2005 - 11:45 AM

No it's not. Her mother was the Princess Zelda before her, who also used a pirate glamour. The boat is her ancestor. It's pretty much said that the Zelda of the time of the flood took half the ToW (KoRL has the other half) and disquised herself. Basically, Tetra is to TWW's Zelda as Sheik is OoT's.

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Posted 08 January 2005 - 01:11 PM

Um....WTF? OOT Zelda disguised herself as Sheik with possibly Sheikah skills, the Triforce, and her willpower. Tetra took her form because she was RAISED that way. I mean hell, at the end of the game, she turns back into Tetra AFTER the Triforce is scattered all over Hyrule. The Triforce is NOT, I repeat, NOT the source of Tetra's form. If anything, it's the other way around.

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Posted 08 January 2005 - 01:29 PM

I have to say that MikePetersSucks is correct. What gave you the idea that she was disguised? Tetra is her natural form.

#64 Zythe

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Posted 08 January 2005 - 02:03 PM

That makes no sense. How can she be Princess Zelda at all then? The Triforce doesn't make someone who they are.

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Posted 08 January 2005 - 02:08 PM

That makes no sense. How can she be Princess Zelda at all then? The Triforce doesn't make someone who they are.


The ToW simply unleashed her lineage in a physical manifestation.

#66 Zythe

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Posted 08 January 2005 - 03:04 PM

So she is a descendant from a Zelda then. Thus she is a Zelda. How did their line become mixed race then? See... it's all... nonsensical.

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Posted 08 January 2005 - 03:17 PM

So she is a descendant from a Zelda then. Thus she is a Zelda. How did their line become mixed race then? See... it's all... nonsensical.


Who said she mixed races? Obviously some members of the Royal Family were among the Hyruleans who survived the flood. They interbred with other Hylians, which eventually resulted in the line of pirates we see in TWW. The ToW then reveals Tetra's true lineage as a Princess.

#68 Zythe

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Posted 08 January 2005 - 03:54 PM

The pirates, If i remember, or at least her mother, knew who she was. Why would they dilute the Hylian bloodline (not being racist, just looking through the eyes of a monarch sort of thing)? Where are these black people on Zelda? The gerudoes (Arabs of the Zelda world) haven't been since OoT and the Sheikah haven't really been seen at all.

Hero, what do you put post TWW?

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Posted 08 January 2005 - 07:56 PM

Sheik from OoT appeared to be a magical disguise, as witnessed in the cut-scene in the temple of time where zelda reveals herself (oo-er!) to link before he enters Ganon(dorf)'s tower.
In WW Tetra seems to be the natural state of zelda, where zelda (zelda being Tetra ina dress and make-up) is either an illusion, or a transfiguration of some sort. IIRC the back-story of AoL states that all the Princesses born after the sleeping zelda would be named Zelda in honour of the sleeping princess. In which case Zelda would seem to be more a name than a specific individual identity. Most likely Tetra was not named zelda either because her mother had no knowledge of the tradition, or chose not to do so for fear of Ganondorf returning.

(Teh gerudos = hawt. FAPFAPFAP! Damn I'm lonely...)

I forget who said it, but I agree that the fragments of the triforce pieces don't seem to have any actual power, save for resonating in the presence of other triforce pieces.

Something worth note however, is that Tetra reverted to her natural state during the end sequence, despite still having the ToW during the fight, after KoRL made his wish.

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Posted 09 January 2005 - 04:08 AM

Tetra's natural form was is that of a pirate in my eyes. Zelda was just a physical manifestation unleashed to show her linenage to the Royal Family as how Hero of Winds put it.

Oh and Fatgoron Zelda DID NOT have the Triforce of Wisdom when she and Link fought Ganondorf, it had done left at that time. When she resurfaced to the top of the sea she returned to her pirate form, but she didn't need the Triforce of Wisdom to remain as the Princess Zelda.

#71 Zythe

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Posted 09 January 2005 - 08:18 AM

But why? If she's Tetra, then how is she of Zelda's lineage? Any Hylian could've done by that logic. What made her royalty? She was royalty right? I always assumed it was a magical witness protection deal.

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Posted 09 January 2005 - 10:52 AM

What one earth, Zythe...? What sort of quesiton is that?

She's of Zelda lineage because she's of the Royal Family. Her ancestor was Daphnes, and all the other royalty that came before her. Why on earth would the fact that she's Tetra cancel that out?

Your reasoning in this thread is making less and less sense every time you post.

#73 Zythe

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Posted 09 January 2005 - 10:55 AM

Sorry. I thought you were all saying that she wasn't even Zelda by blood, which I always thought she was. Sorry if I come accross unclear.

If TWW is not the last in the series, how do they all go back to looking like Zelda again?

#74 Fatgoron

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Posted 09 January 2005 - 11:27 AM

Oh and Fatgoron Zelda DID NOT have the Triforce of Wisdom when she and Link fought Ganondorf, it had done left at that time. When she resurfaced to the top of the sea she returned to her pirate form, but she didn't need the Triforce of Wisdom to remain as the Princess Zelda.


I think you'll find she did. I checked(and double checked, and triple checked) and she definitely has the triforce crest on her left hand during the fight after KoRL has made his wish. It's as plain as day once you get up close.

#75 Zythe

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Posted 09 January 2005 - 11:31 AM

She had the crest, which we can attribute as some reminence or residual energy. The actual Triforce had left. So perhaps the only reason she became Tetra again, was that it was the wish for hope, and being Tetra was the only means for hope. I stand by my opinion that Zelda is her true form and not Tetra.

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Posted 09 January 2005 - 11:43 AM

She had the crest, which we can attribute as some reminence or residual energy. The actual Triforce had left.


You can't make that assumption. We never saw the Triforce left, it just vanished after DNH had made his wish. The fact that we see the ToW crest back on Zelda's hand is proof enough she had the Triforce of Wisdom following DNH's wish.

When has a Triforce crest ever been shown to show residual energy?

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Posted 09 January 2005 - 01:30 PM

Uh...ToW? If you look closely in that cutscene, where it shows the water coming down from the sky/sea/barrier/thing, you'll see the triforces scattering, but juuuuust barely.

I'm not sure about the residual energy. Maybe the Goddesses kept the Crest, and Zelda's form to add emphasis to the fight or something? Some kind of destiny thing? :P or MAYBE, when we saw the crest post-Triforce, it was blinking, right? maybe the Triforce mark doesn't instantly dissapear. It could be a slow and gradual process.

#78 Zythe

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Posted 10 January 2005 - 06:35 AM

Like in TMC, when Vaati has to wait a while for all the light force's power to reach him? Connection! Zing!

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Posted 10 January 2005 - 07:00 AM

Like in TMC, when Vaati has to wait a while for all the light force's power to reach him? Connection! Zing!


Of course, that's the Light Force and not the Triforce. Plus, Vaati was gradually draining the Light Force, whereas in TWW, the Triforce had completely left everyone and been used for a wish.

#80 Zythe

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Posted 10 January 2005 - 12:52 PM

Yet the crest remained. Maybe Alak was right, and the Light Force, altough related to Triforce is not it in its entirety (spirit, energy etc.)

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Posted 10 January 2005 - 07:46 PM

Or you could stop treating your Light Force=Triforce connection like the gospel truth and quit making pointless topics/ruining good ones...but I digress. Why would the spirit of the Triforce be SEPERATE from the Triforce? or it's Energy? Jesus, people make the most stupidest connections out of a suffix and vague pictures. Can't the triangle just be a SYMBOL of the Light Force? Like how the Cross is a symbol of Christ? It represents him, but he isn't the cross itself -.-; I like the idea that it's what gives Zelda her psychic powers.

#82 Kairu Hakubi

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Posted 11 January 2005 - 11:40 AM

No reason Tetra wouldn't keep the mark, marks are just indicators. and I don't think she's 'ethnic', she's just tanned.. and the tan is removed in princess form because princesses don't do that sort of thing. ^_^

#83 Zythe

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Posted 11 January 2005 - 12:27 PM

So it's all stylistic? I know we've had brunette Zeldas before, so was making her like the OoT Zelda a way of proving she is Zelda? I'm confused.

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Posted 11 January 2005 - 12:44 PM

Yet the crest remained. Maybe Alak was right, and the Light Force, altough related to Triforce is not it in its entirety (spirit, energy etc.)

What maybe? Of course I'm right.

#85 Zythe

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Posted 11 January 2005 - 01:08 PM

Even then, I'm sure I'm right. After me, Alak.

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Posted 11 January 2005 - 03:27 PM

The crest on the hand doesn't necessarily mean they own a triforce piece - AoL, for example, the crest shows he has come of age and is ready to search for the ToC.

But I think most people assume that Tetra is Tetra. She is a direct (female, assumedly) descendant of the Royal Family, but the tradition of calling them Zelda has been lost. When she appears to look like a princess, she is still Tetra. The royal family of Hyrule has been lost, and its traditions with it. And it's probably never revived. I place TWW at the very end of my timeline.

#87 Zythe

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Posted 11 January 2005 - 04:11 PM

And here we have one of TWW's most debated issues. Is it at the end of the timeline with the legends referring back many centuries or somewhere between OoT and LttP?

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Posted 11 January 2005 - 04:16 PM

They don't have to refer that far back. OoT can be only a few centuries before TWW.

Of course, I don't think that OoT is the IW, and put aLttP centuries before OoT.

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Posted 11 January 2005 - 05:21 PM

The crest on the hand doesn't necessarily mean they own a triforce piece - AoL, for example, the crest shows he has come of age and is ready to search for the ToC.


http://www.zeldadung...icialart/05.jpg

http://www.puissance...Partie11-13.jpg

There is no triforce crest on AoL Link's hand. As the picture shows he has a glowing triforce symbol on his hand, whereas the the games in which we have been able to observe the hands of people wielding triforce crests have shown the crest to glow as a single gold triangle against a darkened background of the full triforce.
I have yet to see the latter type of mark appear on a character who didn't have a triforce piece.

#90 Zythe

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Posted 11 January 2005 - 05:21 PM

How do you put LTTP before OoT?




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