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#31 Alakhriveion

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Posted 03 January 2005 - 11:24 AM

Pre-OoT, the Triforce is still in the sacred realm, so it couldn't be used outside by Link. It could, though, be a blessing of the T, spirit of the T, or something else along those lines.

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Posted 03 January 2005 - 11:28 AM

Oh I get it. But, if the Minish Realm is the Sacred Realm, they could have brought it (see tMC backstory) and then it's gone by OOT. I still think, that Zelda's psychic powers are her own Hylian ones.

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Posted 03 January 2005 - 12:02 PM

Has any real proof been found in the game that ties the Minish realm to the Sacred realm?

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Posted 03 January 2005 - 12:35 PM

No. But there's no proof saying it's not. They bring the Hero of Man a Golden Light (which at least is the ToC, because you see them give it to him, as a triangle). So, anything's up atm.

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Posted 03 January 2005 - 07:35 PM

What exactly IS the Minish Cap backstory, just so I have some basis of knowledge about it (me having never played the game). And what's the deal with the light force and the hero's golden light? Are they the Triforce or what, what's their deal?

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Posted 03 January 2005 - 08:08 PM

A game with the Hero of Men would be interesting I think, it may help us solve these sticky little questions, or maybe it would add more knowing Zelda games.

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Posted 03 January 2005 - 08:42 PM

What exactly IS the Minish Cap backstory, just so I have some basis of knowledge about it (me having never played the game). And what's the deal with the light force and the hero's golden light? Are they the Triforce or what, what's their deal?


Well, back in the day, there were demons troubling the land and stuff, so a hero (Link) stands up to them, and the Minish descend from the heavens, handing the Hero a golden light and an enchanted blade. He slays most of the demons, and seals the remaining ones in a chest with the sword, and gives the light to the Zelda family. As for the Light Force's identity, that's what we're trying to FIND OUT. I personally don't think it is.

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Posted 04 January 2005 - 01:37 AM

Pre-OoT, the Triforce is still in the sacred realm, so it couldn't be used outside by Link.  It could, though, be a blessing of the T, spirit of the T, or something else along those lines.



Or, it could be another force entirely. Why is it that no one seems willing to accept the idea that this "Light Force" could just be the power that oversees the Minish People? The Hylian peoples have to have 3 different forces to oversee them, so why is it so far-fetched an idea that the Minish have their own? It's LIKE their own Triforce, while not actually BEING one. Maybe a different Goddess created them, and left a remnant of her creation in the form of this "Light Force".

To me, it's as plausible a theory as anything else I've heard.

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Posted 04 January 2005 - 10:07 AM

That, is a Tetraforce theory, that technically works.

Also, Link I (Hero of Man), who had long hair and beard, was given his own golden triangle associated with light, like the ToC in previous games, and Vaati thought he sealed it away in the chest with the demons.

Eventually, Link finds a stone tablet saying that the light force is in Zelda, making no reference to the Hero of Man's light force. Vaati hears that the light force is in the princess and takes the Zelda statuette to his tower. That indicates, along with the fact that Link gets a golden triangle beside his name at the end of TMC, that there are multiple light forces.

Why is it so hard to believe, that force+force+force=Triforce?

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Posted 04 January 2005 - 12:10 PM

Or, it could be another force entirely. Why is it that no one seems willing to accept the idea that this "Light Force" could just be the power that oversees the Minish People? The Hylian peoples have to have 3 different forces to oversee them, so why is it so far-fetched an idea that the Minish have their own? It's LIKE their own Triforce, while not actually BEING one. Maybe a different Goddess created them, and left a remnant of her creation in the form of this "Light Force".

To me, it's as plausible a theory as anything else I've heard.

I'm working within the idea that it's Triforce-related. I haven't played tMC yet, so I can't judge for myself.

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Posted 04 January 2005 - 02:12 PM

Or maybe... maybe the Light Force is some kind of strange mysterious energy that has been locked into a triangle-shaped crystal like the mysterious triangular Rupees you have in Four Swords.

Seriously, I've got the game, I've played it and really, you get no good idea as to what the Heck the Light Force really is. It's like some unresolved plot, like the kind you normally get in a Capcom Megaman X game.

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Posted 04 January 2005 - 02:23 PM

Why think it's "triforce-shaped" when it could plausibly be the Triforce. They're not going to make something look like something it isn't. Capcom were trying to be original by coming up with a name for a singular Triforce piece.

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Posted 04 January 2005 - 07:45 PM

I think it's more plausible that it ISN'T associated with the Triforce >_>; actually like the theory of the Light Force being another triforce-like relic by an unnamed goddess. (or perhaps a gift to the Minish via the Goddesses as a token of their appreciation; how they help Hylians and all that stuffage, I dunno) Anyway, 3 Light Forces? You're going a bit far. Could it be possible that the Light Force was eventually used to select Rauru and the other original Sages, and all their magic comes from the Light Force? perhaps the Light Force is the power that helps run destiny in Hyrule? It's fanficy, for sure, but hey, it's the Legend of ZELDA for a reason ^^

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Posted 04 January 2005 - 08:31 PM

I think it's more plausible that it ISN'T associated with the Triforce >_>; actually like the theory of the Light Force being another triforce-like relic by an unnamed goddess. (or perhaps a gift to the Minish via the Goddesses as a token of their appreciation; how they help Hylians and all that stuffage, I dunno) Anyway, 3 Light Forces? You're going a bit far. Could it be possible that the Light Force was eventually used to select Rauru and the other original Sages, and all their magic comes from the Light Force? perhaps the Light Force is the power that helps run destiny in Hyrule? It's fanficy, for sure, but hey, it's the Legend of ZELDA for a reason ^^



You said what I've been trying now for what seems like eons to say in a few words. I think it's definitely a different force, separate from the Triforce in every way, except for the fact that it may have been given to the Minish as a gift from the as yet unknown goddess that created them. Thanks for the help.

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Posted 05 January 2005 - 10:13 AM

Argh! Don't make up goddesses. There's no evidence of any un-Triforcey nature, and a whole bunch saying it is. Explain to me, why it CAN'T BE the ToW. 3 forces is probable if you believe it's the Triforce, in fact, it's the only thing that's logical.

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Posted 05 January 2005 - 10:30 AM

Don't be an idiot, Zythe. No evidence of any "untriforcey" nature? What about the big list I've tried to show you, what, three times now?

And you're stretching quite a bit. It is very heavily implied that Zelda's Light force is the same one that the Minish brought to the hero. If they were meant to be different, they would be differentiated.

Aside from that very stretched assumption of your's, there is absolutely no indication that there are multiple Light Forces.

In previous games, whenever someone uses the Triforce, either the actual, physical triangles come floating out, or the crests on the hands on the wielders glow. Nothing like that happens in tMC, when Zelda uses the Light Force.

It is also implied that the Minish created the Light Force as a gift, just like they created the hat that Vaati steals, and the Pegasus shoes, and the Armos statues, and the Picori sword. Obviously, if the Minish created it, it's NOT the Triforce or a piece of the Triforce.

There's more, but I've already said it all to you before, and you've ignored it... don't know why I bother bringing it up again.

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Posted 05 January 2005 - 01:04 PM

How the mighty have fallen :P

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Posted 05 January 2005 - 05:32 PM

LoS, when the entire Triforce is used you see it floating in physical form but when single ones (Ganon's ToP in OoT, Zelda's ToW in TWW to glamour her into Tetra etc.) all stay as crests.

If you are right, LoS, why the f*** would Capcom make it golden triangles that glow. To confuse us? Back up tetraforce theories? If you're right, I hate them. If you're wrong, they're a respectable company. Even then, these things are interpretable, so there's no hard evidence besides what we clearly see, not what we read between the lines.

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Posted 06 January 2005 - 02:33 AM

I dont think they meant to make it this confusing myself. Heh.

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Posted 06 January 2005 - 09:12 AM

Capcom doesn't give a shit about timeline consistency. They just take old elements and things and throw them in, without any regard for any overall timeline. Nintendo at least tries to keep it's items and things straight.

The Light Force was not intended to be the Triforce... it was just Capcom doing it's usual thing.

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Posted 06 January 2005 - 01:08 PM

Basically, when Nintendo gives any sensible word on the Light Force, THEN it'll be taken seriously.

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Posted 06 January 2005 - 02:44 PM

I have to agree with l-o-s and wolf on this. Capcom is infamous for pulling stuff like that. They're completely disregarding any plot consistencies and taking elements from every game and using them in the next, whether or not they are even sequential. Stupid Capcom. Their games are fun, and so is Zelda, but it's killing the story ever-so-slowly.

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Posted 07 January 2005 - 04:13 PM

Well, I don't think so. But seeing as we'll never agree, I'd appreciate if this topic was closed so that we don't go around in a circle and effectively spam.

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Posted 08 January 2005 - 09:58 AM

Nintendo at least tries to keep it's items and things straight


I don't know about that. How about the whole thing in TWW of the family shield supposedly having once been the Hero's, even though the HoT and the HoW are supposed to be totally unrelated? The way that HA is at odds with OoT, ALttP is at odds with TWW and tLoZ? OoT's ending? Silver Arrow contradictions in TWW? Master Sword contradictions in tLoZ and HA? ALttP's Fairy Queen in the Dark World yet a totally different one outside it in TWW? How the hell did Venus end up in the Dark World anyway? The Imprisoning War? The Windmill Paradox?

I'd say Nintendo's led us on a far merrier dance than Capcom ever will.

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Posted 08 January 2005 - 10:19 AM

Well, I don't think so. But seeing as we'll never agree, I'd appreciate if this topic was closed so that we don't go around in a circle and effectively spam.


If that's the case, then might as well lock the entire Storyline forum.

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Posted 08 January 2005 - 10:30 AM

Even if Capcom have messed us up, we need to try and make sense of it in terms of the games - its a major plot element after all, and can't be ignored like the Master Sword in Oracles by saying it's an Easter egg.
When I first played through the game, I did think it was a "Triumph Forks" type thing - a new name for the Triforce. But Vaati being able to drain part of it from Zelda is very odd for a triforce - the triforces have always appeared to be actual physical objects, except for when they dwell inside people, and can't be drained a bit at a time like some kind of magic power.

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Posted 08 January 2005 - 10:37 AM

If the Triforce has been shown to be broken up into various pieces (LOZ, TWW, G&W) then why's it impossible for Vaati to be draining bit by bit, the littlest fractions of it?

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Posted 08 January 2005 - 11:14 AM

Because those little bits wouldn't give him any power. Each triforce can't be used unless it's whole. And it seems easy enough to take a full triforce from someone, as Ganon does in TWW. Why can't Vaati do this? He has a magic hat, after all.

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Posted 08 January 2005 - 11:19 AM

Yes it can. TWW shows that the magic of half the ToW was sufficient to create the glamour of "Tetra" for Princess Zelda. In TWW, Ganon had the ToP which we saw the effects of in OoT, and it is more powerful than the wishing hat. As a godly relic should be in comparison to a wizard's tool.

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Posted 08 January 2005 - 11:28 AM

No, Tetra is who she is. Tetra is who she looks like. Possibly the whole triforce created a glamour of her looking like a princess, but she really is a pirate. The Zelda costume is the glamour.
And I didn't say a whole piece of triforce was powerless, just a part of one.




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