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#1 Zythe

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Posted 01 January 2005 - 12:44 PM

Currently, this is being fiercely debated.

What is the light force? What does it do? Who made it? Is it the Triforce? Is it a "force" that makes up the Triforce? Is it the fourth "force" on the Hylian shield? What are your opinions? Why?

#2 MikePetersSucks

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Posted 01 January 2005 - 01:13 PM

The Light Force is a holy energy given to the Hylians via the Minish, passed down in the Zelda bloodline. Because it is forcused in the Zelda's, they receive high amounts of psychic powers, and the light force is distributed over the Land of Hyrule to give Hylians a much lesser degree of this power. Hell, it could be what caused humans to evolve into Hylians.

It is not the Triforce, that is just silly. How can something with infinite divine holy power from the Goddesses need to be enhanced by a disney merlin hat O_o? As for the sheild? Sure, why the hell not?

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Posted 01 January 2005 - 01:26 PM

In the opening of the Minish Cap, it says Link was given a holy sword and a golden light. The golden light was a little golden triangle. Also, the Triforce is often called the Golden Power and it resides in the Golden Land. The Light Force seen with Zelda is a triangle, too. And looking at the game entry screen, after you beat Vaati on TMC Link gets a little Triforce icon by his name.

So what you're (MikePetersSucks) saying is, there is a fourth power (Light Force), which is a golden triangle like a Triforce piece and of similar power out there. That's practically a tetraforce theory, soon people will call it "The Triforce of Light".

Could it not simply be the Triforce of Wisdom?

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Posted 01 January 2005 - 02:29 PM

There is the obvious thing where the MINISH seemed to create the Light Force. Maybe it's just me, but that seems to be more or less conclusive evidence that it is NOT the Triforce in any way, shape, or form.

When Zelda uses the Light Force in tMC, no crest or Triforce symbol is shown, but in every other Zelda game, a crest or the physical Triforce is shown prominently whenever it is in use.

It seems to be passed down through the bloodline of the Royal Family, only showing itself in the Princesses of the line. That's not strong evidence either way, but there has never been any instance of the Triforce being some ethereal blood-line thing.

Vaati drains part of it to power himself - I find it hard to believe that he could partially drain the power of the Triforce, united or not.

If it IS the Triforce, then it's only one piece of it. But if that's the case, then why isn't there even a hint of other pieces lying around somewhere?

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Posted 01 January 2005 - 02:30 PM

We can't do more than speculate.

#6 Zythe

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Posted 01 January 2005 - 02:30 PM

Why can't the Minish, being magical, simply be conduits for the Goddesses?

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Posted 01 January 2005 - 02:33 PM

Because making up foolish fanfiction things like that is ridiculous. If you're at the point where you have to make stuff up to keep your ideas alive, then obviously they're flawed.

#8 Zythe

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Posted 01 January 2005 - 02:39 PM

Vaati drains part of it to power himself - I find it hard to believe that he could partially drain the power of the Triforce, united or not.

If it IS the Triforce, then it's only one piece of it. But if that's the case, then why isn't there even a hint of other pieces lying around somewhere?


Part of it? TWW and LOZ both sure a force can be broken into various pieces.

Because Vaati knows only of one, perhaps?

Hopefully, TMC's prequel will clear this up.

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Posted 01 January 2005 - 02:52 PM

I just think simply the Light Force is a special power given to the firstborn Princess in the Royal Family, specifically magic powers such as telepathy and maybe the power to transforms ones outside shape(like with Sheik). Probably a like instinctive self defence, however I think Zelda would still need to be taught these abilitys, perhaps by her Nanny or Mother(Impa or previous Zelda); as in the WW Tetra appears to have no magical ability, but somehow must have magical power other she wouldn't be able to shoot light arrows.

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Posted 01 January 2005 - 03:02 PM

True, but as Hylians, they have the power anyawy or else Link couldn't hear her thoughts or have magic. I think the passing of the Light Force is as we see it in TWW, they pass on a bit, manually, and when the time comes they pass on the remaining bit.

EDIT: I also just realised, seeing as the Four Sword Shrine in ALTTP is the Sacred Realm's equivalent to Hyrule castle - that means the Minish Realm is the Sacred Realm and they brought the Light Force over (TMC-BS). Ganon's corruption of the Sacred Realm could've killed them off.

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Posted 02 January 2005 - 01:29 AM

I think that the Light Force was the power bestowed on the Minish by the Goddesses when the world was created.

As we have discussed TMC's place in the timeline, it has become reasonably apparent that it is somewhere near the beginning. If this is so, and it is indeed before OoT, then we could conclude that the fourth little triangle below the united triforce on the Hylian shield could be the Light Force emblem. It would tie in with the previous history, and it is also kept separate because it is not a triforce; it's a completely different object of power.

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Posted 02 January 2005 - 01:58 AM

I just think simply the Light Force is a special power given to the firstborn Princess in the Royal Family, specifically magic powers such as telepathy and maybe the power to transforms ones outside shape(like with Sheik). Probably a like instinctive self defence, however I think Zelda would still need to be taught these abilitys, perhaps by her Nanny or Mother(Impa or previous Zelda); as in the WW Tetra appears to have no magical ability, but somehow must have magical power other she wouldn't be able to shoot light arrows.


I agree with Khallos, I see it as nothing more than a power granted upon the Zeldas of Hyrule. It makes sense logically and does'nt take away from the Triforce by adding some fourth piece nonsense.

#13 Zythe

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Posted 02 January 2005 - 06:53 AM

Cool banner, Zangus!

Is it not at all plausible that the power is the ToW?

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Posted 02 January 2005 - 07:36 AM

perhaps this discrepancy will be cleared up in the US translations. What does the Japanese word for "Light Force" translate as? Also all imagary of the "Light Force" is linked to pieces of the Triforce.

This could be another Triumph Forks idea. The people have no name for it so call it Light Force.

#15 Zythe

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Posted 02 January 2005 - 07:41 AM

That's what I thought, just because the legend in OoT calls it the Triforce doesn't mean it has always been called that. They just think it has because over time the legend has evolved.

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Posted 02 January 2005 - 10:40 AM

"The tiny Picori appeared from the sky, bringing the hero of men and sword and a golden light." says the European version. This is pretty much what the Japanese version says also.

Quick translation: "From the heavens, the small Pikkoru appear to the people’s Hero, with a Light of Gold and one mere sword."

黄金の光 "Ougon no hikari" - Plain and simple: Light of Gold.

I tried searching "Ougon no hikari" in the Japanese text dump of Ocarina of Time and I also tried searching the KWhazit's translation of A Link to the Past and there was not a single match for this "Light of Gold." I think that if they intended to make it the Triforce they would at least use something a bit more familiar, such as 黄金の力 "Ougon no Chikara," ("Golden Power"), which is what it was called in Link to the Past. Or 黄金の聖三角 "Ougon no Seisankaku" which just means something like "Golden Holy Triangle."

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Posted 02 January 2005 - 11:03 AM

When have they been consistent. Golden Land/Sacred Realm/Void etc. etc.

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Posted 02 January 2005 - 11:14 AM

The Sacred Realm has been consistence in both LttP and OoT. 聖地 "Seichi" - sacred place; holy ground; the Holy Land.

#19 Zythe

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Posted 02 January 2005 - 11:26 AM

Find evidence that disproves my theory, and then we'll see.

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Posted 02 January 2005 - 11:33 AM

I'm not completely disagreeing with you. I don't think there is enough evidence about the light force to know for sure whether it is or is not the Triforce.

Someone mentioned something about the Japanese version, so I decided to post about it and give my opinion.

#21 Zythe

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Posted 02 January 2005 - 01:24 PM

OK then. It just seems pointless to me, to believe it's something new with no place in the ZU whereas you could easily take it to be a Triforce piece (in this case, the ToW) which we know a lot about.

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Posted 02 January 2005 - 02:08 PM

Clearly, the Light Force is a "Deus ex Machina" served to frustrate fans and provide the game developers with a good laugh at the expense of all Zelda fans ready enough to debate Zelda plot elements.

Personally, I'd rather enjoy being asked by a fan, "What on Earth is the Light Force?" and then giving him a knowing smile and say nothing about it, or something insanely cryptic that has no real meaning. Of course, this is all based on the assumption that game developers have a sadistic sense of humour, like I have (at times).

Capcom is famous for inconsistencies and getting their plot-related game items doing inconsistently strange things. Seeing as the game was made in part by Capcom, I wouldn't be surprised to see if their abilities have crossed over to the Zelda franchise.

An example of Capcom screwing up attempts to fix timeline inconsistencies:
In the game series, Resident Evil, a game character known as Wesker dies a horrible, horrible death in the first game (involving missing vital organs). He reappears in the fourth game and no explanation is given as to how he survived having a full lung-ectomy without anaesthetic or sterile surgical instruments.

Capcom then decided to quickly come up with an explanation by releasing, the Wesker Files, which explains how Wesker infected himself with a special strain of virus that kept him alive and mutated him into some kind of superhuman.

That would have worked well, were it not for the following facts:
1. The strain of virus Wesker used was a virus that didn't appear until the second game, and was not available to him at the time of him dying.
2. In the fourth game, he is required to steal a new virus for his new employers who want it to create a supersoldier. The only problem being is that the new virus has not been tested yet. However, the one Wesker used on himself, has clearly turned him into some kind of evil Superman with no apparent side-effects (except for the fact that he's got cat-like eyes), which begs the question as to why his new employers just didn't use him as the basis for their new super soldier.

That isn't the only attempt they've made to solve inconsistencies that have only resulted in throwing up even more inconsistencies. Now a certain developing team from Capcom have got their hands on the Zelda franchise.

Be afraid. Be very afraid.

#23 Zythe

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Posted 02 January 2005 - 02:38 PM

I think there has to be something, like with Oracles and TWW, Nintendo might well embelish on this.

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Posted 02 January 2005 - 02:50 PM

Maybe golden triangles are the form Hyrule's magic takes solid form, like how FF games state magic can manifest as crystals? O_o that could explain some stuff >.>;

#25 Zythe

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Posted 02 January 2005 - 05:07 PM

No. Just no. That doesn't make sense. At all.

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Posted 02 January 2005 - 08:51 PM

OK then. It just seems pointless to me, to believe it's something new with no place in the ZU whereas you could easily take it to be a Triforce piece (in this case, the ToW) which we know a lot about.


Adding more elements when it is unnecessary is, of course to be avoided.

However, so is jumping to conclusions, especially ones that you feel are extremely incorrent or inconsistent.


And Wolf has a point. Yet another item, to add to my list of reasons for Capcom to leave Zelda the hell alone.

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Posted 02 January 2005 - 09:02 PM

Um, what does ToW stand for exactly? o.O

#28 Zythe

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Posted 03 January 2005 - 06:33 AM

Triforce of Wisdom.

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Posted 03 January 2005 - 10:09 AM

Triforce isn't availible yet, so... Spirit of the Triforce? Blessing of? Emblem of?

#30 Zythe

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Posted 03 January 2005 - 10:19 AM

WTF do you mean?




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