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[ganonlord6000]

Speaking of kooky theories, check out this one:



The fact that someone is still trying to argue a single timeline is ridiculus enough. Let alone using fan-fiction, speculation, and for some outrageus reason placing MC after the other FS games(which falls under the above categories).

[Person]

Speaking of kooky theories, check out this one:



The fact that someone is still trying to argue a single timeline is ridiculus enough. Let alone using fan-fiction, speculation, and for some outrageus reason placing MC after the other FS games(which falls under the above categories).

He puts TMC last??? I lol'ed at his justification: "Vaati went back in time." Indeed.

[Sir Turtlelot]

His timeline made no sense whatsoever, hell, Fintin's drunk timeline made more sense then that...

[GuardianNinja]

I couldnt get past the god awful music, suckage.

[ganonlord6000]

Oh. I forgot to mention this. I made a comment on that video questioning his MC placement. Check out his response(My youtube name is nerfshredder3395) to my comment.

[Person]

Oh. I forgot to mention this. I made a comment on that video questioning his MC placement. Check out his response(My youtube name is nerfshredder3395) to my comment.

I did read it, and lol'ed. Why does he think that "Dark Sorcerer" and "Wind Mage" are mutually exclusive?

[Fin]

His timeline made no sense whatsoever, hell, Fintin's drunk timeline made more sense then that...

Maybe I should bring it to Youtube. All I need is a camera, a bottle of vodka, and a homeless guy jacket.

[Sir Turtlelot]

His timeline made no sense whatsoever, hell, Fintin's drunk timeline made more sense then that...

Maybe I should bring it to Youtube. All I need is a camera, a bottle of vodka, and a homeless guy jacket.

That would be pretty cool, I would watch it.

But if you do that, don't forget SSBB again.

[Person]

Okay, I know Zelda.com has been a laughingstock for like forever, but I noticed that some of their old garbage is still up even after new games have come out and wiped the floor with their one-Link theories. Like this, for example: Their entry for Link.

All creatures big and small owe their lives to this legendary adventurer. Link's list of accomplishments sprawls longer than we could even begin to list here, but he is most well known for his vital role in keeping Ganon, The King of Evil, safely locked away in the Dark World.

Some of Link's most famous accomplishments include rescuing Princess Zelda on multiple occasions, saving the citizens of Termina from certain demise, as well as freeing the island of Koholint from savage monster attacks. Humble to the end, Link is known not merely as a hero but as a symbol of courage, strength and wisdom as well. Tales of his bravery will never cease, and his legend will never ever die.

See if you can spot what's wrong with that one.

[GuardianNinja]

What is: They didnt play to the ending. For 500.

[ganonlord6000]

Okay, I know Zelda.com has been a laughingstock for like forever, but I noticed that some of their old garbage is still up even after new games have come out and wiped the floor with their one-Link theories. Like this, for example: Their entry for Link.

All creatures big and small owe their lives to this legendary adventurer. Link's list of accomplishments sprawls longer than we could even begin to list here, but he is most well known for his vital role in keeping Ganon, The King of Evil, safely locked away in the Dark World.

Some of Link's most famous accomplishments include rescuing Princess Zelda on multiple occasions, saving the citizens of Termina from certain demise, as well as freeing the island of Koholint from savage monster attacks. Humble to the end, Link is known not merely as a hero but as a symbol of courage, strength and wisdom as well. Tales of his bravery will never cease, and his legend will never ever die.

See if you can spot what's wrong with that one.

Zelda.com isn't good for any thing. Their excuse for an encyclopedia above all as it hasn't been updated for three or four years.

[MikePetersSucks]

Well...technically, he DID save Koholint from monsters....

[GuardianNinja]

But it never happened....

[Showsni]

Well...technically, he DID save Koholint from monsters....

Heh.

"Yes, I can cure all your illnesses! Just put your neck into this guillotine..."

[Person]

Their entry for Koholint talks around the whole issue, as if they didn't want to spoil the ending of a game that was released in 1993.

[ganonlord6000]

I found two sites that's basically kooky theory central: Youtube and Zelda Informer. The sad part about Zelda Informer is that a lot of them used to be here and yet they do things like believe that the older games are in the adult timeline using a game that hasn't been released yet and ignoring what some have pointed out here. That and some of them view NOA's ALTTP(SNES) manual(or believe that it used to be when it never was) and the "miyamoto timeline" as canon material. That's just sad. Youtube, as some of us already know, is even worse than that regarding kooky theories(like Ocarinahero10 and that video I put here a few weeks ago).

[Person]

I found two sites that's basically kooky theory central: Youtube and Zelda Informer. The sad part about Zelda Informer is that a lot of them used to be here and yet they do things like believe that the older games are in the adult timeline using a game that hasn't been released yet and ignoring what some have pointed out here. That and some of them view NOA's ALTTP(SNES) manual(or believe that it used to be when it never was) and the "miyamoto timeline" as canon material. That's just sad. Youtube, as some of us already know, is even worse than that regarding kooky theories(like Ocarinahero10 and that video I put here a few weeks ago).

Most of the ZeldaInformer people may have weird theories, but stuff like AOST (Adult Old Story Timeline) that you described don't exactly fall into the "kooky" bin. They don't contradict canon, they just twist it. The only AOSTer I've seen who would fall under the "kooky" label is Lex, who did stuff like argue that the King in the AoL backstory used the Triforce by not using the Triforce, or argued that OoT was still the Seal War, but the Ganon in ALttP was totally different and that Ganon didn't actually break the seal in TWW even though the game says he did. The best part was that he would use developer quotes from 1998 that said that OoT was the SW, but forgot to mention the parts where the developers said that ALttP Ganon and OoT Ganon were the same person.

Another one I like is this Zeldapedia article. look at the "evidences" it puts for putting TMC after TWW. Sure Shigeru Miyamoto said OoT was first... in 1998! Apparently no new games can come before OoT because it's sacrosanct or something.

Or this theory. Seriously, who in their right mind puts the Oracle games on separate timelines? And even though it's a split timeline, he still puts TP and TWW in the same timeline.

Aha! I finally found the old NoA timeline that they took down years ago. Somebody had copypasta'd the thing onto his website. Witness!

Edited by Person, 10 August 2009 - 03:53 PM.

[ganonlord6000]

Another one I like is this Zeldapedia article. look at the "evidences" it puts for putting TMC after TWW. Sure Shigeru Miyamoto said OoT was first... in 1998! Apparently no new games can come before OoT because it's sacrosanct or something.

What the heck? Why are these guys thinking that a quote from 1998 is still canon? Apparantly they never saw the japanese ending of TMC(Is the ending the same in the European version as well?) and ignores the fact that art style and characters are desided BEFORE the story is written.

Edit: Look at this Zeldapedia article:http://zelda.wikia.c...Imprisoning_War(I lol'd at this). Apparantly these guys think that OOT is still the IW even though TWW and TP destroys the possibility.

Edited by ganonlord6000, 10 August 2009 - 05:58 PM.

[Person]

Another one I like is this Zeldapedia article. look at the "evidences" it puts for putting TMC after TWW. Sure Shigeru Miyamoto said OoT was first... in 1998! Apparently no new games can come before OoT because it's sacrosanct or something.

What the heck? Why are these guys thinking that a quote from 1998 is still canon? Apparantly they never saw the japanese ending of TMC(Is the ending the same in the European version as well?) and ignores the fact that art style and characters are desided BEFORE the story is written.

Edit: Look at this Zeldapedia article:http://zelda.wikia.c...Imprisoning_War(I lol'd at this). Apparantly these guys think that OOT is still the IW even though TWW and TP destroys the possibility.

Oh, the idea that OoT is no longer the IW is not really widespread outside this forum. The people who believe it still is will make up crap like "even though Ganon came out of the SR, the seal wasn't broken!" Or that the Ganon of the IW and the Ganon of ALttP are separate people. Go to ZU and you'll inevitably run into people arguing this. Most of ZU were single-timeliners before the split was confirmed, and they even had a whole organization devoted to disproving the split called the "United Wise Men." Most of its former members are people who are going to argue stuff like TMC is a "bridge" between the 3D and 2D games, or that the Sound and Drama CD proves the Miyamoto Order.

[ganonlord6000]

Oh, the idea that OoT is no longer the IW is not really widespread outside this forum. The people who believe it still is will make up crap like "even though Ganon came out of the SR, the seal wasn't broken!" Or that the Ganon of the IW and the Ganon of ALttP are separate people. Go to ZU and you'll inevitably run into people arguing this. Most of ZU were single-timeliners before the split was confirmed, and they even had a whole organization devoted to disproving the split called the "United Wise Men." Most of its former members are people who are going to argue stuff like TMC is a "bridge" between the 3D and 2D games, or that the Sound and Drama CD proves the Miyamoto Order.

OMG. That argument is over before it even begins and most other Zelda-related forums have also questioned OOT still being the IW. Honestly, who is stupid enough to believe that the seal on Ganon wasn't broken in TWW even when Ganon said it was broken? Now that's kooky.

Edited by ganonlord6000, 16 August 2009 - 09:36 AM.

[MikePetersSucks]

Lex. He's the one who invented....like all those theories.

[Person]

Oh, the idea that OoT is no longer the IW is not really widespread outside this forum. The people who believe it still is will make up crap like "even though Ganon came out of the SR, the seal wasn't broken!" Or that the Ganon of the IW and the Ganon of ALttP are separate people. Go to ZU and you'll inevitably run into people arguing this. Most of ZU were single-timeliners before the split was confirmed, and they even had a whole organization devoted to disproving the split called the "United Wise Men." Most of its former members are people who are going to argue stuff like TMC is a "bridge" between the 3D and 2D games, or that the Sound and Drama CD proves the Miyamoto Order.

OMG. That argument is over before it even begins and most other Zelda-related forums have also questioned OOT still being the IW. Honestly, who is stupid enough to believe that the seal on Ganon wasn't broken in TWW even when Ganon said it was broken? Now that's kooky.

They say he "circumvented" or "escaped" it, but that it wasn't "really" broken until ALttP, and that even though TWW Ganon died, OoT is still the IW because of 12-year-old developer statements. As MPS said, Lex was especially bad at this, and he managed to turn every topic he posted in into a debate about the IW and TWW's ending. He also said stuff like how the Twilight Mirror and Dark Mirror had to be the same, so FSA couldn't happen after TP, but ALttP still happens after TWW even though the backstory for that game says that the Knights of Hyrule were wiped out, and ALttP kind of requires them to have left a surviving descendant.

But I digress.
This one is much better. Apparently, the Cobble Kingdom is actually Old Hyrule, even though
1. PH takes place in an alternate universe.
2. I don't recall any Egyptian-styled pyramids anywhere besides that one in the desert.
3. The main form of "evidence" this guy uses is the graves of the six sages, except that there are nine graves on the island.

[Average Gamer]

He also said stuff like how the Twilight Mirror and Dark Mirror had to be the same, so FSA couldn't happen after TP,

I recently had a debate about this with Lex on ZU. I (and others) repeatedly pointed out the differences in the mirrors and the various quotes and pieces of physical evidence that point toward the Mirror of Twilight being a separate mirror that was always kept at the Arbiter's Grounds. He merely kept trying to dismiss everything with rather flimsy arguments.

Edited by Average Gamer, 16 August 2009 - 05:11 PM.

[Person]

He also said stuff like how the Twilight Mirror and Dark Mirror had to be the same, so FSA couldn't happen after TP,

I recently had a debate about this with Lex on ZU. I (and others) repeatedly pointed out the differences in the mirrors and the various quotes and pieces of physical evidence that point toward the Mirror of Twilight being a separate mirror that was always kept at the Arbiter's Grounds. He merely kept trying to dismiss everything with rather flimsy arguments.

That's nothing compared to when he tried to use the Sound and Drama CD to justify the Miyamoto Order. Since most people have never even heard of this CD, he could pretty much use it to try and justify anything, since most people couldn't disprove him because they didn't even know what it said. Of course, when somebody brought up a complete translation, all of his made-up theories turned into bunk.

By the way, the Sound and Drama CD was a soundtrack CD that included a dramatization of ALttP. It was more of an alternate telling that changed a whole lot (it said that the IW happened only six years ago, for one) and probably has as much canon value as the manga.

[Jarsh]

He also said stuff like how the Twilight Mirror and Dark Mirror had to be the same, so FSA couldn't happen after TP,

I recently had a debate about this with Lex on ZU. I (and others) repeatedly pointed out the differences in the mirrors and the various quotes and pieces of physical evidence that point toward the Mirror of Twilight being a separate mirror that was always kept at the Arbiter's Grounds. He merely kept trying to dismiss everything with rather flimsy arguments.

That's nothing compared to when he tried to use the Sound and Drama CD to justify the Miyamoto Order. Since most people have never even heard of this CD, he could pretty much use it to try and justify anything, since most people couldn't disprove him because they didn't even know what it said. Of course, when somebody brought up a complete translation, all of his made-up theories turned into bunk.

By the way, the Sound and Drama CD was a soundtrack CD that included a dramatization of ALttP. It was more of an alternate telling that changed a whole lot (it said that the IW happened only six years ago, for one) and probably has as much canon value as the manga.

Furthermore, for anyone who's curious, the translation for it can be found here.

[ganonlord6000]

That Sound and Drama CD looks about as canon as NOA's ALTTP(SNES) manual. Why do people at ZU and other places seem to draw evidence from the SNES version of ALTTP and a mistranslated quote?

[Person]

That Sound and Drama CD looks about as canon as NOA's ALTTP(SNES) manual. Why do people at ZU and other places seem to draw evidence from the SNES version of ALTTP and a mistranslated quote?

Well, for the longest time the SNES manual for ALttP was the only version of the Imprisoning War story available, and the idea that OoT was the Imprisoning War was pretty workable up until TP came out.

And even among people like Lex, nobody takes the SNES version manual as canon anymore. I think that Volvagia_Slayer guy mentioned a couple pages back uses it for some weird "two Master Swords" theory to explain away the Master Sword being buried at the bottom of the ocean in TWW, but he's a single-timeliner, too.

[Showsni]

That Sound and Drama CD looks about as canon as NOA's ALTTP(SNES) manual. Why do people at ZU and other places seem to draw evidence from the SNES version of ALTTP and a mistranslated quote?

Using the S&D version, OoT fits a lot better as the IW than using ALttP. It's almost like the makers of OoT used S&D as their source rather than ALttP; which is probably why OoT=IW people might try to use it. (Using the NOA SNES ALttP manual makes it impossible for IW to be OoT without contradicting canon).

Edited by Showsni, 17 August 2009 - 08:34 PM.

[Average Gamer]

Speaking of Lex and the mirrors, he has apparently ended his three day hiatus to post in that thread again. You can read it here:

http://www.zeldauniv...same-thing.html

Edited by Average Gamer, 17 August 2009 - 10:14 PM.

[Person]

That Sound and Drama CD looks about as canon as NOA's ALTTP(SNES) manual. Why do people at ZU and other places seem to draw evidence from the SNES version of ALTTP and a mistranslated quote?

Using the S&D version, OoT fits a lot better as the IW than using ALttP. It's almost like the makers of OoT used S&D as their source rather than ALttP; which is probably why OoT=IW people might try to use it. (Using the NOA SNES ALttP manual makes it impossible for IW to be OoT without contradicting canon).

Even back when it was a workable theory, it required a lot of finagling around to make the two stories match up. The most common explanations I heard were "Agahnim killed whoever had the other two Triforce pieces off-screen" and "The knights were killed off during the seven-year time skip, that's why we never see them."

Of course, that's just the explanations made up for the American manual. The Japanese one is a bit difficult to mess around with. When the Japanese manual flat-out says that no one was found who could wield the Master Sword, a detail the US manual left out, OoT looks even less like the IW.

EDIT:
I laughed pretty hard at Lex's ramblings in that thread, Average Gamer. "The Twilight Mirror wasn't supposed to be in Arbiter's Grounds, they just moved it there that one time!"

Edited by Person, 17 August 2009 - 11:27 PM.