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[ganonlord6000]

Hey, AG, didn't someone at ZU show a picture of the FSA beta map?

That was me.

I figured as much. Thanks for the pic. Where did you get it, anyway?

[Pinecove]

I honestly forget. We have another one from IGN (incomplete) but that has a watermark on it so.....

[ganonlord6000]

I was just on Zelda Eternity a few minutes ago and I saw a theory someone mentioned there that was just insane, and even the person who mentioned it thought so. Apparantly, someone thinks that Zant is an oocca. I heard that this originated from ZU and a few other places.

[Fin]

http://www.zeldauniv...tml#post3674532

Damn it, Lex.

[MikePetersSucks]

Apparently in a TVTropes entry (not WMG), someone offhandedly mentioned that Zant was Midna's father.

[Average Gamer]

Apparently in a TVTropes entry (not WMG), someone offhandedly mentioned that Zant was Midna's father.

I've seen some people claim that Zant was Midna's brother, even giving him the title Twilight Prince. Others who don't know about the onmyoji thing think that Zant was a court jester.

While we're speaking about TP, every three weeks or so on ZU I see a thread speculating that the Twilight Realm is the Sacred Realm or Termina.

Edit: Now Lex is calling the LA translators amateurs while blatantly ignoring that they are fluent in Japanese, MPS is a Japanese person, and NoA has a history of getting things wrong.

http://www.zeldauniverse.net/forums/zelda-theorizing/115421-the-history-of-the-four-sword-2.html

Edited by Average Gamer, 21 September 2010 - 07:19 PM.

[Person]

I think I'm getting the vibe that this thread is turning into "post dumb things Lex has said," instead of genuine stupid fan theories.
This tidbit about the King of Red Lions actually being Gerudo is something lulz-worthy.

[Average Gamer]

I think I'm getting the vibe that this thread is turning into "post dumb things Lex has said," instead of genuine stupid fan theories.

I'm getting that feeling as well. However, to be fair, the guy does provide tons of material for this thread.

This tidbit about the King of Red Lions actually being Gerudo is something lulz-worthy.

I seem to recall someone posting that earlier in the thread. Nonetheless, that is certainly insane.

Two more nuggets from ZU:

http://www.zeldauniverse.net/forums/zelda-theorizing/115436-link-died-before-reaching-termina.html

http://www.zeldauniverse.net/forums/zelda-theorizing/115394-oot-and-mm-meet-tp.html

[ganonlord6000]

I think I'm getting the vibe that this thread is turning into "post dumb things Lex has said," instead of genuine stupid fan theories.

I'm getting that feeling as well. However, to be fair, the guy does provide tons of material for this thread.

This tidbit about the King of Red Lions actually being Gerudo is something lulz-worthy.

I seem to recall someone posting that earlier in the thread. Nonetheless, that is certainly insane.

Two more nuggets from ZU:

http://www.zeldauniv...ng-termina.html

http://www.zeldauniv...mm-meet-tp.html

Wow. Those were just sad, AG. And I've found many theories I posted here that wern't from Lex. Actually, only a few of his theories are kooky. Why does everyone here seem to hate Lex? The only thing I have against him was that he doesn't view the japanese translations as canon as they are fan translations, and they have disproved many of his theories.

Did LA ever have anybody like the people at the other sites? From what I heard, Picman was pretty bad when he was here (I even read a few of his threads here, and I think I remember seeing more of his theories over at Ganon's Tower), but were there any other members of this site that had kooky theories like these from either before or after LA was hacked?

If anyone wants any more actual kooky theories, I will return to Youtube and look around. I'll probably find many after a few minutes (Just kidding.....maybe).

Edited by ganonlord6000, 23 September 2010 - 09:43 PM.

[MikePetersSucks]

Why does everyone here seem to hate Lex?

It's not so much the ideas he comes up with so much as the means he uses to get to them, and his sheer refusal to debate civilly. He's kind of a condescending, stuck-up jerk who refuses to admit he's wrong and will say whatever he has to to "win."

[Average Gamer]

Another nugget from ZU:

http://www.zeldauniv...and-in-fsa.html

[MikePetersSucks]

MOON GRAVITY DOES NOT WORK THAT WAY.

[ganonlord6000]

Why does everyone here seem to hate Lex?

It's not so much the ideas he comes up with so much as the means he uses to get to them, and his sheer refusal to debate civilly. He's kind of a condescending, stuck-up jerk who refuses to admit he's wrong and will say whatever he has to to "win."

I can work with that. I have seen that he's like that a few times when I skim ZU. I don't try to argue with him or any others since AG usually takes care of that. And can anyone here answer my other question?

Another nugget from ZU:

http://www.zeldauniv...and-in-fsa.html

Geez! Has anyone there (or anyone in general) ever read the manual for MM?! I never saw the N64 version manual, but when I borrowed the collectors' edition from a friend, I seem to recall that the manual for that version said that MM was a parallel world. And apparently, the one who came up with that doesn't know what parallel means. And does the Japanese MM manual say the same thing as the US one?

[Average Gamer]

Ganonlord, you won't have to check Youtube for kooky videos right now.

http://www.zeldauniv...soning-war.html

[ganonlord6000]

Ganonlord, you won't have to check Youtube for kooky videos right now.

http://www.zeldauniverse.net/forums/zelda-theorizing/115595-cutscene-compilahttp-www-zeldauniverse-net-forums-newthrtion-5-the-imprisoning-war.html

How is that one kooky? The Termina one is, but I don't know about the other one. And I was mostly joking about going to youtube to find more kooky theories.

[Average Gamer]

How is that one kooky?

He thinks that the CT splits into "Termina saved" and "Termina doomed" timelines, with the IW coming on his "Termina doomed" timeline.

And I was mostly joking about going to youtube to find more kooky theories.

I know, I just wanted to draw attention to the fact that there were videos in the links.

[ganonlord6000]

How is that one kooky?

He thinks that the CT splits into "Termina saved" and "Termina doomed" timelines, with the IW coming on his "Termina doomed" timeline.

And I was mostly joking about going to youtube to find more kooky theories.

I know, I just wanted to draw attention to the fact that there were videos in the links.

I didn't know he placed the IW on a timeline with a destroyed Termina. Then again, I only had time to watch the IW video.

[ganonlord6000]

Check out this one.

[Average Gamer]

Check out this one.

Yeah, that's kooky as well. However, the thing that really annoyed me in that thread was people debating about whether OoT or FS was first. Aonuma's basically said that both were first at one point, and SS isn't even close to being out yet, so things could easily change in development to boot. People are essentially fighting over nothing.

Anyway, in recent kooky news, Lex thinks that MPS outright lied when he said that there was no spirit in the trident.

http://www.zeldauniverse.net/forums/zelda-theorizing/115661-i-heard-this-about-fsa-ganon-but-didnt-know-if-it-were-true-2.html#post3687022

[ganonlord6000]

Check out this one.

Yeah, that's kooky as well. However, the thing that really annoyed me in that thread was people debating about whether OoT or FS was first. Aonuma's basically said that both were first at one point, and SS isn't even close to being out yet, so things could easily change in development to boot. People are essentially fighting over nothing.

Anyway, in recent kooky news, Lex thinks that MPS outright lied when he said that there was no spirit in the trident.

http://www.zeldauniv...tml#post3687022

I saw that. I've even been looking at all of Lex's rants. Why the hell does Lex not believe a bunch of people on different sites who know Japanese including one actual Japanese person? Considering NOA's (not so good) track record, most of us would take the Japanese text over the US text any day.

As for the theory I mentioned, I don't get why that guy is ignoring the evidence a few of us over at ZU gave him for OOX not going before OOT. It was never even intended in the first place. How many of us (those of us who are mostly LA posters) here actually post on ZU?

[MikePetersSucks]

The funny thing? I'm not even sure I was the guy who said there was no spirit in the Trident, I just confirmed it.

[Pinecove]

...That's pretty much the same thing.

[Jarsh]

@Average Gamer

Actually, Aonuma might not have been talking about FS being first, but TMC (the wording allows that, too, with "the GBA Four Swords Zelda"). A few days before that interview with Game Informer, TMC was announced at E3 (at this point in development, the Master Sword was apparently still in the game). It's been commonly theorized that TMC could come before OoT, but that doesn't mean that FS and FSA have to as well (Impossible's made some good points about this). So yeah, Aonuma may have been talking about TMC, not FS.

Edited by Jarsh, 02 October 2010 - 11:29 PM.

[Average Gamer]

@Average Gamer

Actually, Aonuma might not have been talking about FS being first, but TMC (the wording allows that, too, with "the GBA Four Swords Zelda"). A few days before that interview with Game Informer, TMC was announced at E3 (at this point in development, the Master Sword was apparently still in the game). It's been commonly theorized that TMC could come before OoT, but that doesn't mean that FS and FSA have to as well (Impossible's made some good points about this). So yeah, Aonuma may have been talking about TMC, not FS.

Thanks for the information Jarsh.

Wait, didn't MPS once say that he saw the Japanese version of that quote and it was more about going back to early gameplay elements? Man, let's hope we can find the Japanese interview to put that to rest.

[Jarsh]

Actually... I think I may have jumped the gun on that. The interview was actually done in March of 2004, whereas TMC was revealed at E3 2004 in May. Everywhere else in the interview is also definitely talking about the Four Swords game that came with ALttP on the GBA whenever he says the "GBA Four Swords". Then again, the interview had an embargo put on it until May 2004. Maybe GameInformer was confused by what Aonuma meant, and assumed he was talking about FS rather than TMC, so that's why it seems that way in interview; which would assume that Aonuma was willing to talk about TMC before its reveal at E3 (maybe he was okay with doing that if he knew there was an embargo?). Or that's just a kooky theory that definitely belongs in this thread.

EDIT: Actually, Argent made a really good point over at ZI that in the interview, both the interviewer and interviewee, Aonuma, use the phrase "Four Swords" to refer to FSA. So, when Aonuma says Four Swords GBA game, it's possible he was talking about TMC (since it's generic enough of a term to refer to any Four Swords game), which would explain why the embargo wasn't lifted until a day or so after E3 (which is when the interview was released).

Edited by Jarsh, 03 October 2010 - 01:23 PM.

[sdp]

Random question,

Didn't link have NORMAL ears in OOT? I swear I thought that was true however I've seen no one freaking out about Link having elf ears in OOT 3D so I did google search for images and noticed all the artwork for OOT and all the screenshots I find have link with elf ears including Majora's Mask.

am I crazy and Link never had normal ears in OOT?

[Jarsh]

I'm pretty sure he's had pointy ears since even the beta versions of OoT.

[Fin]

Gotta love Lex's logic. One of his arguments basically boils down to "It doesn't matter how fluent Japanese speakers read the text because they aren't privy to Nintendo's thoughts on the matter." Because Nintendo's target audience are telepaths.

[Person]

I don't think any version of Link has had normal ears. Ganondorf's do become pointy halfway through OoT and stay that way in TWW and TP, however. Various fan theories have been put forth to explain that one.

[ganonlord6000]

Gotta love Lex's logic. One of his arguments basically boils down to "It doesn't matter how fluent Japanese speakers read the text because they aren't privy to Nintendo's thoughts on the matter." Because Nintendo's target audience are telepaths.

Has Lex forgotten about NOA's horrible translation record? The thing he has against the translations are the only thing I have against him. He's tame compared to the rest of ZU....most of the time (that's probably why I always have a lot of fun there).