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[Pinecove]

^Eh that depends.

If one theory is supported by enough evidence, and nobody can disprove said theory, then to create a theory WITH that theory in the first place, you simply have to state that something must be assumed for the said second theory to work.

[ganonlord6000]

^Eh that depends.

If one theory is supported by enough evidence, and nobody can disprove said theory, then to create a theory WITH that theory in the first place, you simply have to state that something must be assumed for the said second theory to work.

I could work with that.

[Nerushi]

If one theory is supported by enough evidence, and nobody can disprove said theory, then to create a theory WITH that theory in the first place, you simply have to state that something must be assumed for the said second theory to work.

The way I see it, its not a theory based on a theory. Aonuma did say FS was the oldest tale in the timeline, so the theory is based on that statement being true. Now, if people want to question the likelihood of that statement, then that is their problem.

Edited by Nerushi, 05 July 2010 - 04:15 PM.

[SOAP]

Actually I like the Twilight Mirror and the Mirror of Darkness being one and the same... as a theory. I don't think it could ever be evidence in itself, though the only way it could possibly work is if FSA takes place long before TP, since it's utterly destroyed in TP. I think it's very possible they coukld have been intended to be the same device since both games where being developed at the same time and ideas could have been tossed around between the teams making the games. The only justification for the two being the same would be to tie the Twili with the Tribe of Darkness from FSA. I think it's possible they could be the same. Or the ToD could be related to the Zuna. Or maybe they're a branch off of the Sheikah tribe. Or maybe they're a Tribe not related to any tribe we've seen by now. Who knows? I think they're all possible theories. So long as they're just used as theories, then what's the big deal?

[Pinecove]

To note: The scriptwriter of TP and FSA is the same.

[Person]

To note: The scriptwriter of TP and FSA is the same.

The plots are also extremely similar, just replace Vaati with Zant and they look like carbon copies. This could just be unoriginal writing without any huge timeline significance.

[MikePetersSucks]

Yea, TMC Vaati may resemble Zant, vaguely, but FSA Vaati? Nothing of the sort. And I don't think the two games share a scriptwriter with TMC, but it wouldn't really matter.

[Nerushi]

Well, both FSA Vaati and Zant gets hijacked by Ganon late in the game, if thats what he meant by unoriginal writing...

[ganonlord6000]

Well, both FSA Vaati and Zant gets hijacked by Ganon late in the game, if thats what he meant by unoriginal writing...

That and both FSA and TP have similar stories. While I support the idea of the FSS going before OOT, I will only see the mirror similarities as just a theory and lack of originality.

Anyway, getting back on track, I was reading that Zelda manga that was recently translated and I was thinking about all of those "Link and Zelda are sibblings" theories from a few years ago (which is only likely in a few places anyway, and one should have been tossed out after GBA ALTTP came out). Anyone remember those? I wasn't involved with the Zelda community then, but I still remember those from a few fan sites I used to go to a lot.

[MikePetersSucks]

Well, both FSA Vaati and Zant gets hijacked by Ganon late in the game, if thats what he meant by unoriginal writing...

OMG SAME WITH LIKE...ALMOST EVERY NON-GANON ZELDA VILLAIN EVAR

Anyway, getting back on track, I was reading that Zelda manga that was recently translated and I was thinking about all of those "Link and Zelda are sibblings" theories from a few years ago (which is only likely in a few places anyway, and one should have been tossed out after GBA ALTTP came out). Anyone remember those? I wasn't involved with the Zelda community then, but I still remember those from a few fan sites I used to go to a lot.

To be fair, it wasn't really a KOOKY theory. the "Zelda is your..." line, the fact that OOT Link and OOT Zelda look like fucking twins, Zelda has a missing mother, Link has an unaccounted for father, the two of them feeling like they knew each other longer than they really had...

Actually, I do kind of feel that OOT Link and Zelda are probably twins, but not necessarily any other incarnation of the two.

[Person]

If Nintendo ever intended for Link and Zelda to be siblings, they would probably have insinuated it more. And told the writers of the spin-offs of this. Both the Japanese OoT manga and the German prequel comic show Link's father to not be the king. Not saying those are canon, but the insinuations are so threadbare that it took the Internet and speculating fans to come to a conclusion when writers of spin-off material apparently missed the subtext entirely.

Now I will admit that there's no evidence against it, but it is just baseless speculation.

[MikePetersSucks]

Both the Japanese OoT manga and the German prequel comic show Link's father to not be the king.

Hey, you know what? The manga and comics are total shit anyway. "HEY VOLVOGIA USED TO BE FRIENDS WITH LINK AND VAATI TURNS BACK INTO A GOOD GUY AND SHEIK HAS AMNESIA AND SERVES GANON DERPADERPDERP"

Now I will admit that there's no evidence against it, but it is just baseless speculation.

I think I demonstrated that it's based on SOMETHING.

[Person]

Has about as much evidence as the Tetraforce does.

[ganonlord6000]

I can accept the siblibg theory for OOT, but not for other games. Not even ALTTP because that line wasn't in the GBA version unless you count the palace of the four sword. I was actaully refering to theories which said that all of the Links and Zeldas are siblings. I think I recall seeing those along with single Link theories.

[MikePetersSucks]

Has about as much evidence as the Tetraforce does.

Except, you know...the ingame fucking content.

[FDL]

To be fair, it wasn't really a KOOKY theory. the "Zelda is your..." line, the fact that OOT Link and OOT Zelda look like fucking twins, Zelda has a missing mother, Link has an unaccounted for father, the two of them feeling like they knew each other longer than they really had...

Actually, I do kind of feel that OOT Link and Zelda are probably twins, but not necessarily any other incarnation of the two.

I used to dislike this theory as a kid but looking back on it, I agree with you there. The Composer Brothers and Zelda herself seem to hint at Link and Zelda being siblings in that incarnation.

[Showsni]

If Nintendo ever intended for Link and Zelda to be siblings, they would probably have insinuated it more. And told the writers of the spin-offs of this. Both the Japanese OoT manga and the German prequel comic show Link's father to not be the king. Not saying those are canon, but the insinuations are so threadbare that it took the Internet and speculating fans to come to a conclusion when writers of spin-off material apparently missed the subtext entirely.

Now I will admit that there's no evidence against it, but it is just baseless speculation.

Well, if you want spin off manga then Zelda and Link are confirmed half siblings in the LoZ manga. Elfs are discriminated against there, so the queen Zelda (princess at the time) having an illegitimate half elf son would have been pretty scandalous news, and is hushed up by those in the know. Zelda is her later daughter by her human husband, who becomes king after her father dies. (All of them being called Zelda because of the AoL decress one presumes).

[Pinecove]

"HEY VOLVOGIA USED TO BE FRIENDS WITH LINK AND VAATI TURNS BACK INTO A GOOD GUY AND SHEIK HAS AMNESIA AND SERVES GANON DERPADERPDERP"

I lol'd.

[Average Gamer]

http://www.zeldauniv...-out-there.html

Damn it ZU.

[MikePetersSucks]

Wow, that's fucking retarded.

[Moriatti]

this on the other hand is brilliant.

[Average Gamer]

Some guy in this thread:

http://www.zeldauniverse.net/forums/zelda-theorizing/111608-theory-alternative-alttp-placement.html

is claiming that the Triforce wasn't complete in ALttP until the very end. He's also saying that OoT Ganondorf was the master of the Triforce.

Edit: If that wasn't bad enough:

http://www.zeldauniverse.net/forums/zelda-theorizing/112355-zelda-oot-ending-e_e.html

Damn it ZU.

Edited by Average Gamer, 16 July 2010 - 09:54 PM.

[ganonlord6000]

Some guy in this thread:

http://www.zeldauniv...-placement.html

is claiming that the Triforce wasn't complete in ALttP until the very end. He's also saying that OoT Ganondorf was the master of the Triforce.

Edit: If that wasn't bad enough:

http://www.zeldauniv...ending-e_e.html

Damn it ZU.

WTF? Now I know why I left ZU after a few days there. I've seen many kooky theories mentioned here before, but these two take the cake as far as ZU is concerned. I don't think I will ever forget what ZU was like shortly after ST was revealed to be in a new Hyrule and after SS was revealed to be the origins story of the MS. Or even now, for that matter.

[Pinecove]

http://zeldadungeon....-Possible-to-Me

I started arguing with a guy who thinks I'm giving made up sources/ that the text dumps LA provides are not official.
Fuck, give me a break already...

[ganonlord6000]

http://zeldadungeon....-Possible-to-Me

I started arguing with a guy who thinks I'm giving made up sources/ that the text dumps LA provides are not official.
Fuck, give me a break already...

ZD hasn't changed much since I used to go there (that was the first Zelda fan site I joined). It is pretty hard to convince them of anything. This person is insane to ignore you when official sources are mentioned and the translations here. As for the sources that the person in that thread deemed as official, both of them are lol sources. I never encountered anyone who seperated LOZ from AOL when everything in the games and every version of the manuals point to AOL being a sequel. Same thing with ignoring LA and not playing the linked version of the oracles.

[MikePetersSucks]

I'm getting to the point where I think a Holocaust-style culling of the "unnecessaries" in the Zelda Fandom is a pretty damn good idea.

[ganonlord6000]

I'm getting to the point where I think a Holocaust-style culling of the "unnecessaries" in the Zelda Fandom is a pretty damn good idea.

That actually sounds like a good idea. I'd support that.

Edited by ganonlord6000, 21 July 2010 - 11:04 AM.

[Average Gamer]

http://www.zeldauniv...anslations.html

More crap from Lex. He has practically hated the Japanese text ever since he was thoroughly defeated on the Trident issue.

Edited by Average Gamer, 13 August 2010 - 11:05 AM.

[MikePetersSucks]

Eh. That's pretty tame compared to his usual shenanigans.

[ganonlord6000]

http://www.zeldauniverse.net/forums/zelda-theorizing/113755-tmcs-timeline-placement-and-the-english-translations.html

More crap from Lex. He has practically hated the Japanese text ever since he was thoroughly defeated on the Trident issue.

This really is really tame as far as Lex is concerned. The only thing kooky about that is that Lex completely ignores the japanese text, now.

I've seen a few other threads on ZU that contained arguments with Lex and sometimes I don't even know if he pays attention to what he tells us. I remember reading an arguemnet related to TP and ALTTP a few months ago. Lex was trying to disprove any intentional connection between the Master Sword's location in TP and ALTTP by saying that Nintendo was just reusing the beta location for the MS from OOT. Someone else on ZU (I think it was Jarsh) clarified what Lex was referring to. Apparently, the MS in OOT was supposed to be where the forest temple was in the released version of the game. I think most of us should figure out very quickly what this implies.