-How about Gerudos and Gorons not existing as a fullty developed race in 1991?
That's not the point. They DID exist in 2004. Nintendo deliberately put them in the game, and they knew that those races weren't in ALttP. I don't think Nintendo intend to make a new Zelda after ALttP any time soon. It makes more sense if FSA was supposed to be between OoT and ALttP. All the little details also do work as evidence, if you consider that they were probably all added with the assumption of FSA being before ALttP in mind (like the thieves in Kakariko moving to the forest). I just don't see how it makes more sense for Ganon to have a trident, then lose it, then get it again. Especially with the implications that ALttP and LoZ have the same Ganon. More importantly, in FSA, Ganondorf's name is recognised by the sages only as a Gerudo from the desert. They've never heard of Ganon at all. That's ridiculous after the IW, and particularly after ALttP. It's only even plausible after TP (Ganon never conquered Hyrule on that timeline, and his role in TP's events wasn't well-known). Especially as these maidens must be in the same line as ALttP's.
This placement has been argued before and failed... I just don't exactly remember what the deciding evidence was. There are definitely contradictions there, but I always forget what the biggest problem is because it's rarely an order I consider much. I would suggest that based on how the Trident is found, someone had to put it there, which would be odd after ALttP, but I can't remember if much was said about the trident's origins that would contradict a placement after ALttP. There's no evidence that it has anything to do with ALttP, anyway, where there's no sign of Ganon's trident - and if there were, it would be in the Sacred Realm.
What about the Knights of Hyrule? Link in ALttP is the last of their bloodline, but they're still around in FSA. They're a part of the story, which at least gives them some value as evidence. There's also the fact that Ganon is permanently in his pig form from FSA onwards, so it makes sense to include ALttP and LoZ there.
The spirit within the Trident cannot be anyone but ALttP Ganon.
It doesn't have be be Ganon. It could be just what the game tells us, an ancient evil demonic power. I don't see why FSA is so "clearly" a sequel, because if it were that clear, other people would be able to see the reasons. Most of us don't.
Lex, just drop the fucking Hylian argument. It's over. ALttP states for a fact that Hylians are a race of the past, meaning that regardless of their ears - which are not as long or seen as often as actual Hylian ears in other games like TMC - they are not Hylian. Even if they were, that wouldn't prove anything about TMC being later. There is no way in which you can form this argument into something that proves that TMC isn't first. Do you even know what the hell you're trying to prove anymore? All you're doing is suggesting that TMC could just as easily be anywhere, but the evidence, and the fact that the ears in TMC seem so deliberate, suggest the people are most likely Hylian.
2) Secondly, members of a culture do not refer to "the Americans" as "the Americans" in dialogue; that's third-person. They would say simply "Americans."
Not if they were speaking about something historically, as Shad is.
1) TWW actually doesn't show an active decline in the long ears. I was mistaken in ever claiming this.
THIS LINE IS WHERE THIS ARGUMENT SHOULD HAVE ENDED. Yes, we can keep going, because you're mistaken and because the ears of most people in TWW only suggest that they are Hylian descendants (which makes sense with the flood), compared to real Hylians like Link and Zelda. This is a necessary fact, because Ganon chose people with long ears, knowing Zelda would have them. But continuing this would prove NOTHING about TMC. It's over. And by the way, does anyone have pictures of the other kidnapped girls?
I do think there are probably flood survivors who weren't Hylian, and there are people without any sign of Hylian ancestry in TWW to reflect that. The Hylians wouldn't just have left everyone else to die. And we know that the Kokiri and Zora survived, in some form.
2) We don't see people with short ears in ALttP's character sprites, though.
A couple of the ones I pointed out had non-pointed ears. And you'll notice that unlike in TMC, you can't find long ears on every person, aside from ONE, Beedle (who I did notice since I last posted, by the way), who is OBVIOUSLY supposed to be a foreigner.
Bill Trinen also said the Legend of the Fairy was important to the Zelda Timeline in an interview. I remember when Impossible stated that only the Japanese Developers could be trusted and that his information could not be considered Canon. I also remember a time when the mention of Hylians dying out was absolute blasphemy because 'Link is Hylian in all games.'
Sounds like you're misrepresenting my arguments, and I'm not entirely sure where you're getting them from. Bill Trinen never said that to my knowledge. Why on earth WOULD he say a thing like that? I've never seen this interview, and I'm pretty sure it doesn't exist. And you're right, I said Hylians don't COMPLETELY die out. Link is always Hylian, denying that would be stupid. There is always a Hylian bloodline in Hyrule. In ALttP, it's weakened, and there are few Hylians, but we know Link (who is descended from Hylian knights) and Zelda are among them. And many others are Hylian descendants, but I would never argue that ALttP's people are Hylian because THEY SAY THAT THEY AREN'T.
4) TWW - The Triforce is reunited by the King of Hyrule, bringing it into the possession of the royal family.
There are no words for how wrong you are. Let's invent one. This is downright Lionhartical. Also, this topic is meant to be about TMC. Let me guess, you've forgotten about TMC because you realised you don't have any evidence?
Edited by Impossible, 27 March 2008 - 08:09 PM.
