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[Average Gamer]

Yeah, I PM'ed Arturo about that four hours ago.

In my defense, every other time somebody said that Jumbie was a woman everybody would just act like they screwed up and accidentally called Jumbie a man.

As for Sages' Seal OoT translations, I recall Saria saying something to Link if the player called her with Saria's Song as Adult Link after awakening her, but I don't have the save file to find it at the moment.

Edited by Average Gamer, 05 March 2009 - 09:51 PM.

[Erimgard]

Haha, I fell for the Jumbie trap months ago.

Jancesolo, could you please translate these quotes for me if they haven't already been translated [I may have missed them]

Gwah hah hah! I was summoned from the Dark Realm by Twinrova. See my true form! Feel the might of a dark dragon!

As we guessed, saving Nayru was for naught! Ambi's age is filled with cries of sorrow! Veran has extended the Dark Realm's reach, giving us what we seek-- echoing cries of sorrow! Spread, darkness! Spread, sorrow!

Also, does "yami no sekai" appear anywhere in Twilight Princess in correlation to the Twilight Realm/Curtain?

[jacensolo06]

Jancesolo, could you please translate these quotes for me if they haven't already been translated [I may have missed them]

This OoS one was already translated:

グハハハハ!! ツインローバさまによって 闇の世界より　しょうかんされし 真のすがた。。。
Guhahahaha!! This is my true form that Twinrova-sama summoned from the Dark World…
Gwah hah hah! I was summoned from the Dark Realm by Twinrova. See my true form!

Note: Dark World/Realm here is "yami no sekai" in the Japanese.

This OoA one wasn't, but I had the Japanese of it, so here it is:

さっしのとおり ネールを　すくったところで すべては　ムダじゃ。。。 アンビのじだいには　すでに なげきのこえが　みちあふれておる
As we expected, saving Nayru was completely useless… Ambi’s era is already overflowing with cries of grief.
As we guessed, saving Nayru was for naught! Ambi's age is filled with cries of sorrow!

べランが　世界の闇をふかめれば なげきのけえも　ますであろう われらが　もとめるのは　その ねげきのこえ　そのものじゃ! もっと闇を!　もっとなげきを!
If Veran brings darkness to the world, the cries of grief will be there also. What we seek are those cries of grief themselves! Bring more darkness! Bring more grief!
Veran has extended the Dark Realm's reach, giving us what we seek-- echoing cries of sorrow! Spread, darkness! Spread, sorrow!

Note: NoA screwed up, the Dark World/Realm is not mentioned here. What is said is "sekai no yami" which means "The world's darkness".

Also, does "yami no sekai" appear anywhere in Twilight Princess in correlation to the Twilight Realm/Curtain?

The term "yami no sekai" does not appear in TP.


Here's the lines from the guard in the alley in OoT:

おお…　少年… お前は　森から来た少年か…?
Ohh…Boy… Are you the boy who came from the forest…?
Unnngh...are you the boy from the forest...?

あ…　会えてよかった… お…　お前に… つ…　伝えたいことが…　ある…
I… I’m glad I met you… Th… there’s something… Th… that I have to tell… you…
I-I-I've finally met you... I-I-I have something to t-t-tell you...

ゲルドの盗賊王　ガノンドロフが 我が王を　裏切った…のだ!
The Gerudo king of thieves, Ganondorf, has betrayed our…king!
Ganondorf, the Gerudo King of Thieves, betrayed our King...

危険を察知した　乳母のインパは、ゼルダ姫を　連れ… 城から　脱出した…
Impa the nursemaid sensed danger and took Princess Zelda… And fled from the castle…
Zelda's nanny, Impa, sensed danger and escaped from the castle with our Princess...

私は　ガノンドロフの追っ手を 食い止めていたのだが… むねんだ…
I tried to stop Ganondorf’s pursuers… But regrettably…
I tried to stop Ganondorf's men from chasing them...but...

姫は…　森の少年… そう、お前を　待っておられた… なにかを　渡そうとしておられた…
The Princess… was waiting for the forest boy… that’s right, for you… She seemed to want to give something to you…
The Princess was...waiting for a boy from the forest...that's you... She wanted to give something to the boy...

姫から…　それを　受け取ったなら… と…　時の神殿へ…　い…いそげ…
If you’ve gotten that thing…from the Princess… Then…go to the Temple of Time… H…hurry…
If you received it from the Princess, hurry...to the Temple of Time....

もう、動かない…
He’s not moving anymore…
He’s not moving anymore…

Jumbie had already done that Red Maiden stuff, but I translated it anyway. As usual Jumbie's translation is in green.

ジャキ…　魔の邪器(じゃき)　トライデント…?
Evil tool…The evil tool of demons, the trident…?
Ja-ki… Demon's evil device, the trident…?
Evil spirit... Spirit of magic? Trident?

武器の形をした　このくぼみ…。
This indentation is in the shape of a weapon…
This indentation is in the shape of a weapon…
This indentation is in the shape of a weapon.

ここから　そのトライデントを　手に入れた者が　…もしや　ガノンドロフ…?!
The person who took the Trident from here… Could it have been Ganondorf…?!
Don't tell me the person who took this trident from here… was Ganondorf…?!
Do you think the person who took this trident was... Ganondorf?!?

グフーとは　またちがう　闇の王…!!
Someone other than Gufuu is the King of Darkness…!!
The King of Darkness is not Gufuu…!!
The King of Darkness is not Vaati?

そ…、そんな　おそろしい男が、いったい今　このハイラルのどこで　何をしていると言うの…!
Th-this means that a man as terrible as that is doing who knows what somewhere in Hyrule…!
S…such a terrible man is actually now somewhere in Hyrule doing something…!
Does this mean this wicked man is somewhere in Hyrule plotting even now?

…リンク!　事態は　私たちが考えていた以上に　しんこくです!　先を急ぎましょう!
…Link! The situation is even more serious than we thought! We must hurry on!
…Link! The situation is even more serious than we thought! We must hurry!
Link! The situation is even more desperate than I believed! We must hurry!

[Erimgard]

Thanks a lot
I was specifically wondering if it was makai or yami no sekai in the first quote, and you cleared that up for me.

[Average Gamer]

Here's the lines from the guard in the alley in OoT:

私は　ガノンドロフの追っ手を 食い止めていたのだが? むねんだ?
I tried to stop Ganondorf?s pursuers? But regrettably?
I tried to stop Ganondorf's men from chasing them...but...

That's an odd choice of words. Saying that he was trying to stop Ganondorf's pursuers makes it seem like he was trying to stop people who were pursuing Ganondorf. It just seems to be an awkward choice of words though.

Jumbie had already done that Red Maiden stuff, but I translated it anyway. As usual Jumbie's translation is in green.

ジャキ?　魔の邪器(じゃき)　トライデント??
Evil tool?The evil tool of demons, the trident??
Ja-ki? Demon's evil device, the trident??
Evil spirit... Spirit of magic? Trident?

武器の形をした　このくぼみ?。
This indentation is in the shape of a weapon?
This indentation is in the shape of a weapon?
This indentation is in the shape of a weapon.

ここから　そのトライデントを　手に入れた者が　?もしや　ガノンドロフ??!
The person who took the Trident from here? Could it have been Ganondorf??!
Don't tell me the person who took this trident from here? was Ganondorf??!
Do you think the person who took this trident was... Ganondorf?!?

グフーとは　またちがう　闇の王?!!
Someone other than Gufuu is the King of Darkness?!!
The King of Darkness is not Gufuu?!!
The King of Darkness is not Vaati?

そ?、そんな　おそろしい男が、いったい今　このハイラルのどこで　何をしていると言うの?!
Th-this means that a man as terrible as that is doing who knows what somewhere in Hyrule?!
S?such a terrible man is actually now somewhere in Hyrule doing something?!
Does this mean this wicked man is somewhere in Hyrule plotting even now?

?リンク!　事態は　私たちが考えていた以上に　しんこくです!　先を急ぎましょう!
?Link! The situation is even more serious than we thought! We must hurry on!
?Link! The situation is even more serious than we thought! We must hurry!
Link! The situation is even more desperate than I believed! We must hurry!

Thanks jacen. There was no spirit in the trident after all.

[jacensolo06]

That's an odd choice of words. Saying that he was trying to stop Ganondorf's pursuers makes it seem like he was trying to stop people who were pursuing Ganondorf. It just seems to be an awkward choice of words though.

My bad, the Japanese term would mean "those Ganondorf was using to pursue".

[Sign of Justice]

Thanks jacen. There was no spirit in the trident after all.

Yet Lex is still debating that NoA is right because of the parenthesis...

[Average Gamer]

Hey jacen, I have a request from TWW. Before Link starts the Deku Tree sidequest, the Deku Tree says this:

"I can't help but think that this, too, is the
result of Ganondorf's evil plot. Could it be?"

Could you please translate this? I just want to know if the Deku Tree actually says that Ganondorf is the cause instead of a possibility.

[jacensolo06]

Here's that WW quote Average Gamer:

もしや、とは思っていたのデスが これもガノンというモノの 仕業なんでしょうか?
I'm thinking it's a possibility, but could this too be the work of Ganon?
I can't help but think that this, too, is the result of Ganondorf's evil plot. Could it be?

And KJ Contrarian from ZU PM'd me with a request for the first page of Japanese manual of OoS, so here it is:

ハイラルの大地。　馬を駆る一人の少年がいました。
その名はリンク。
導かれるようにたどり着いたところは、ハイラル城の奥深く。
その奥でリンクを待ち受けていたのは、美しく輝くトライフォースでした。
「リンク。。。リンク。。。トライフォースの試練を受けよ」
ひときわ神々しい光に包まれた瞬間、リンクの姿は消えていきました。
In the land of Hyrule there is a single boy riding a horse.
His name is Link.
The place he arrives at as if he was led there is the depths of Hyrule Castle.
What awaits Link there is the beautiful, shining Triforce.
“Link…Link…undergo the Triforce's test.”
Link is covered in an especially divine light and in that instant he disappears.
One day in Hyrule, a strange force drew Link deep within Hyrule Castle, where he found the Triforce resting, glittering brilliantly as it awaited him.
“Link…Link…Accept the quest of the Triforce!”
Suddenly, Link was enveloped in a shaft of light, and the next moment, he vanished.

気がついた時、リンクは見知らぬ森の中にいました。
何かおきたのかもわからず、ぼう然とあたりを見回すリンク。
すると、森の奥から楽しそう音楽や笑い声が聞こえて来ます。
誘われるように声の方へ行くと、そこには旅芸人の一座が。
When he comes to, Link is in an unknown forest.
Link doesn’t know what has happened and looks around at his surroundings in a daze.
When he does, he hears fun-sounding music and laughter coming from the depths of the forest.
He goes in the direction of the voices as if invited and finds a troupe of traveling entertainers.
When Link awoke, he found himself in a forest he had never seen. Confused, he looked around blankly at the unfamiliar surroundings. He heard pleasant music and laughing voices echoing from deep within the woods. Link followed the inviting voices until he came upon a traveling troupe of actors.

その輪の中で踊っている一人の少女に思わず見とれるリンク。
彼女もリンクに気がつくと、大要のような笑顔でこう言いました。
「私は踊り子のディン。フフッ、いっしょに踊らない?
恥ずかしがらないで。二人で踊れば、もっと楽しいわ!」
ディンに手を取られ、踊り出すリンク。
ちょっぴり照れながら、ぎこちなく。
Link finds himself unintentionally looking at the girl dancing in the circle.
When she notices Link, she gives a smile like the sun and says,
“I am Din the dancer. Hee hee, will you dance with me?
Don’t be embarrassed. If we dance together, it will be more fun!”
Din takes his hand and Link begins to dance.
He is a little shy and awkward.
He was immediately struck by the beauty of a young woman who was dancing about in circles.
When the girl noticed Link, she smiled brightly and called to him.
“Welcome to Holodrum. I am Din, the dancer,” she said with glee. “Would you like to dance with me? Don’t be shy. It will be more fun if we dance together.” She took him by the hand, and he reluctantly began to dance.

しかし、楽しい踊りは長くは続きませんでした。
But, the fun dance did not continue for long.
Unfortunately, this blissful moment did not last long.

[Average Gamer]

Here's that WW quote Average Gamer:

もしや、とは思っていたのデスが これもガノンというモノの 仕業なんでしょうか?
I'm thinking it's a possibility, but could this too be the work of Ganon?
I can't help but think that this, too, is the result of Ganondorf's evil plot. Could it be?

Thanks.

I hope this isn't going to seem like a chore or anything, but could you please translate the rest of what the Deku Tree says during that sidequest? I just want to see if the trees really have any success rate.

[Impossible]

Actually, I'd like all of the Deku Tree's dialogue translated. Most of what he says, if you talk to him at various times after Forbidden Woods, isn't even in davogones' script. There's a prompt that lets you ask him about a few different things... The Koroks have a few comments on the trees as well, so it might be valuable for what AG wants.

Edited by Impossible, 09 March 2009 - 07:22 PM.

[Average Gamer]

Hey Jacen, could you also find out what the Japanese name for the Stalchildren is? Some guys were asking me if it was different in Japanese. I already know that Skull Kids were called Stal Kids in the Japanese version, so don't worry about translating their names too.

Edited by Average Gamer, 12 March 2009 - 08:29 PM.

[jacensolo06]

It's "スタルベビー" which means "Stalbaby".

[Average Gamer]

Thanks jacensolo06.

[FDL]

So are Skull Kids supposed to be related to Stalchildren/Stal Babies, Stalfos, and the Stallord?

[Duke Serkol]

That is a better question than one may initially suspect. I mean with that name would think it obvious... but then aren't these guys made of wood, not bones?

Perhaps Stal is the Hylian word for living dead, regardless of what it was while alive?
Popular theory has it that Skull Kids are Kokiri gone missing in the forest, and since Kokiri eventually become Koroks, a StalKid could perhaps be the reanimated corpse of a Kokiri.

[Average Gamer]

Perhaps Stal is the Hylian word for living dead, regardless of what it was while alive?
Popular theory has it that Skull Kids are Kokiri gone missing in the forest, and since Kokiri eventually become Koroks, a StalKid could perhaps be the reanimated corpse of a Kokiri.

Kokiri are the only people who don't transform in the Lost Woods. Additionally, not only do they appear to be familiar with the forest, but they have fairies as well that could help guide them. Also, if I'm not mistaken, the Kokiri purposely changed their shapes to become the Koroks; I doubt that the Kokiri had wooden skeletons or something.

As shown in MM, Stalbabies do not have to be actual babies, seeing as how the soldiers of Ikana were Stalbabies. The name might come from the fact that they look like smaller, weaker versions of the Stalfos.

[Duke Serkol]

Kokiri are the only people who don't transform in the Lost Woods. Additionally, not only do they appear to be familiar with the forest, but they have fairies as well that could help guide them.

That may be so. But Navi wonders "Is this what ahppens to childrens that are lost in the woods?". And since later a Kokiri tells us that anyone from outside the forest becomes a Stalfos, I have to ask, why would children turn to wooden beings rather than smaller stalfos-es?
Unless they were plants to begin with... and furthermore, the Stalkid in Majora's mask actually bears the Kokiri symbol on his gloves.

I doubt that the Kokiri had wooden skeletons or something.

I am pretty certain the Kokiri are in fact plants, not only because they would later turn into the Koroks, but also both because they are born from a tree and because this would explain their longevity.

[Average Gamer]

That may be so. But Navi wonders "Is this what ahppens to childrens that are lost in the woods?".

She was likely referring to regular children. OoT specifies that non-fairy folk who go into the woods become monsters.

And since later a Kokiri tells us that anyone from outside the forest becomes a Stalfos, I have to ask, why would children turn to wooden beings rather than smaller stalfos-es?

That's just how the forest (apparently) works, and she was probably referring to adults in that instance considering the general size of a Stalfos. Deku Scrubs can apparently live in the place too.

Unless they were plants to begin with...

Kokiri aren't plants though. They're spirits in human form.

and furthermore, the Stalkid in Majora's mask actually bears the Kokiri symbol on his gloves.

But all Skull Kids dress and look the same, and no Kokiri dresses like them. If anything it's just a mark of the forest that they wear, and if I recall correctly it's absent from the Skull Kid in TP.

I am pretty certain the Kokiri are in fact plants, not only because they would later turn into the Koroks, but also both because they are born from a tree and because this would explain their longevity.

The longevity of the Kokiri is already explained; they're spirits, and thus not mortal. Also, the Korok thing was a result of shape-shifting, and if I'm not mistaken the Deku Tree once said that the Kokiri had human forms.

I don't want to go off-topic, so I'll end it here.

[Duke Serkol]

I don't want to go off-topic, so I'll end it here.

I concur, let's get back to translations.

[Sign of Justice]

Hey Jacensolo, could you retranslate this line from the SNES manual? 猛攻に身をていして盾となった騎士団は、残念ながら力尽き、命を落としてしまいましたが、賢者達の封印は完了しました。

Johan translated it as "In the fierce attack, the Group of Knights formed a shield. Regrettably, their force exhausted, they fell offering their lives. Nonetheless, the Sages completed the seal." but Zethar II translated it as "The Knights had valiantly used their bodies as shields during the fierce attack, and although they unfortunately perished when their strength had exhausted, this had given the Sages time to complete their Seal." I'd say that the second one flat out says that the seal was made at pretty much the same time as the knights died. Whereas the first one doesn't give a time frame at all. (Even though it pretty much implies the same based on the context.)

[jacensolo06]

My translation is:

猛攻に身をていして盾となった騎士団は、残念ながら力尽き、命を落としてしまいましたが、賢者達の封印は完了しました。
Using their bodies as shields against the fierce attack, the group of knights unfortunately used up all their strength and lost their lives, but the Sages’ Seal was completed.

It's clearly meant to be at the same time.

[Erimgard]

I looked through the OoX translations and didn't see this...

As you know, if I imprison the Oracle of Seasons and bury the temple that houses the Season Spirits, the seasons of Holodrum will be cast into chaos, the bountiful gifts of nature will rot, and all living things perish!!!
That is the world of darkness that I long for!

When you get the time, could you please tackle that quote for me Jancesolo?
I'm particularly interested in whether or not Onox says "yami no sekai".

[jacensolo06]

Something Raien said in another thread made me curious what the Japanese says when Medli refers to the time before the Rito evolved wings, so here it is:

羽根のない時代から、 リト族に伝わる道具です
It's a tool that was handed down by the Rito race from the era when we did not have wings.
It's a device we Rito used before we evolved wings.

As I suspected, the Japanese does not mention evolution.

[Raien]

Something Raien said in another thread made me curious what the Japanese says when Medli refers to the time before the Rito evolved wings, so here it is:

羽根のない時代から、 リト族に伝わる道具です
It's a tool that was handed down by the Rito race from the era when we did not have wings.
It's a device we Rito used before we evolved wings.

As I suspected, the Japanese does not mention evolution.

I fucking called it!

*does the "I told you so" dance*

[Duke Serkol]

Well that should not be much of a surprise: they still don't have wings unless their dragon protector gives them a scale.

[MikePetersSucks]

I don't see where it makes much of a difference if "evolved" is present one way or another.

[Fin]

Yeah, I mean did anyone seriously believe they were talking eolvution in the Darwinian sense? I doubt if that even happens in Hyrule.


By the way, have these lines been translated? The description of the Zora armour (I can't find it anywhere right now ) and the words Rutela uses to describe it:

During his lifetime, my husband created garments specifically for the chosen hero, garments that house the abilities of the Zora. Now, at last, I can join the king in slumber.

I believe the armour's description says something along the lines of the armour being passed down through the royal line, suggesting it was actually created by an ancestral king (OoT's King Zora?) Does the Japanese give more consistent descriptions? I'm willing to bet the word "created" was never used by Rutela in the original.

Edited by Fintin O'Brien, 17 March 2009 - 09:21 AM.

[Raien]

Yeah, I mean did anyone seriously believe they were talking eolvution in the Darwinian sense? I doubt if that even happens in Hyrule.

My symbolism article was founded on refuting the argument for Darwinian evolution in Zelda. This more or less seals the deal.

Edited by Raien, 17 March 2009 - 06:20 AM.

[FDL]

You don't believe evolution exists at all in Hyrule?