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[thabto81]

I'll apologize if he agrees to calm down and stop making ridiculous claims.

[thabto81]

If you mean Considerate and Correct when expressing my opinion, Then yes.  As for the rest of you post, I see no need for me to respond to it.  I do not need you to harass me because I disagree with you.  I have already explained why I am against a movie well enough.  Please be civilized.

I've been nothing but calm.  YOu are the one attacking me.  If you mean stop arguing when you say "stop making ridiculus claims", I am afraid I cannot comply.  The reason this forum is here is so people can banter points of view.

"I think a movie is a horrible idea that will not only cheapen the series but destroy my respect for everyone involved with it."

And you don't call that being melodaramtic? That a movie will cheapen the whole series just because it's made into a movie? Look all I'm asking is for some support to your claim that this is so. Name one game that has been cheapened on the whole. And I'm not talking about a game that was never doing well in the first place or a game that was already losing steam. I'm talking about a game equal to Zelda. Perhaps Final Fantasy. Because, if I'm reading you correctly, nothing should be adapted from any other medium at all because it would cheapen the "original" story.

[thabto81]

No, maybe, someday, there will be a well done movie based on a video game, but this could never be Zelda, due to the feeling of exploration and connection of all the games.  Taking all of these things and condensing them into a two hour movie cheapens the experience and makes the series look bad.  One could perhaps turn one of the games into a miniseries, where very event is looked into, instead of condensing it, but these usually lack the funding to be very good.

Doing that would ensure a cheapening of the experience as you call it. Why? Well, say they did make one of the games into a miniseries where every event was taken into account. What you'd essentially have is the video game without the interactive element involved. And there's nothing worse than playing a game where you have little to no interaction with it whatsover.

I have no proof to many of my statements, because they are opinions.  AS ARE YOURS!  You have no more proof than I for your statements.  I do, however, have previous examples of several horrible video game movies.

Opinions are based on facts. Facts are based on evidence. It would do you well to remember this. My opinion that no movie based on a game has ever ruined that video game series is based on the fact (or lack of facts) supporting such a claim in the first place.

Generalizing my statements is offensive.  I have never said that turning a book, or a play, or a musical, or even a poem into a different media cheapens the original story.  All of these follow a linear pattern.  Every time you read them, the story will be the same.  Not so with video games, one never plays it Exactly the same way.  Something is always a little different.  Translating this flexibility into a rigid structure makes it lose something, a quality that it had before.

Let me refer you back to what you said earlier:

Problem is, Thabto, a horrible movie changes preconceptions people have about the games. Fewer people will buy them, and they will no longer be made.

This quote of yours isn't stating your opinion as it no way implies that it is your thoughts or feelings. The sentence structure indicates that you are stating fact. Going off of that basis, one could only assume that you also did not approve of other adaptations as well.

The only way I would accept the idea of a movie, is if the creators of the games wrote the script and were on set to assure that it went the way it should.  THey would know what to do.

Like they did with Final Fantasy?

I cannot fulfill this request, due to the fact that there is no game series equal to Zelda, in my opinion.  Final Fanstasy is different due to the fact that it is more linear based, and each story has absolutely no effect on the others.

Define linear based.

[NightStar]

I think this is kind of getting out of hand...the debate between you two has come to, almost, a complete standstill. I think it would be best just to accept each other's points of view and move on.

[Darunia]

I've began to wonder where the open-mindedness of the public has gone recently. If there was a Zelda movie made, it might bomb and be the worst thing ever to be put onscreen, but there's nothing to say that it would ruin Zelda as a game series. Just take the DnD movie as an example. It bombed at the Box Office, or so I remember, and yet more people play DnD now than ever have before, which just goes to show you that a movie isn't always the worst thing to happen to a game franchise.

If you were to ask me what the one thing would be that COULD kill the Zelda franchise, I would say the lack of fans of the games, not of the movie. In the case of a movie being made, it would only be good to illustrate the background story that we all already know, that way no one or facet of the storyline will be hurt.

And then again, maybe I'm wrong, but at least I'm open-minded.

[thabto81]

I will define linear based... again.     Books, or plays, or musicals, or even poems follow a linear pattern. Every time you read them, the story will be the same.  Each phrase leads to the next, like movies where each fram leads to the next.  

Video games can vary, one can wander for hours, or quickly go exactly where they need to go.  They can cheat or savor the game.  It has no linear pattern.  Only the thin, game plot, actually has a linear pattern.  This plot depends solely on the actions taken in the rest of the game.

So in your closed world view if it can't be done, why try? Hm, I think I'm beginning to understand you a bit more.

Nevertheless I'm surprised to see that you know the difference between video games and movies at all. But what really worries me is that you think one has such pull that it can forever alter the other.

With this, I will once again leave.  Obviously, presenting my opinions can not be accepted maturely by some people here.  Thus, I will leave those who wish to talk about a hopeless fantasy to their devices.

I hereby crown you King of the Drama Queens. Congratulations.

[thabto81]

I would like to see a movie (particularly OoT) but i am also afraid of them messing it up.   It would be awfully hard for them to make a movie with the magic that the games have.  I am not saying impossible because ive never made a movie so i wouldn't know.   But it would be hard.  
Plus as ive said, what fits the expectations of one fan, might disappoint another completely.    And i am not so sure i want them to take the risk.

I would agree with you that if a mistake was made that it would ruin the movie. But the games? I dunno. Saying it will ruin the games is a really general statement.

But you're right when you say each individual person has their own idea of what a character should sound like or how they should act but those ideas are all based on the same presentation of the characters in the game. So I really doubt that my ideas of how Link should act, with subtle differences, would clash very much with yours.

As far as adapting OoT would go, I'm a little hazy on your idea on which changes exactly are bad. If they did adapt one of the games then there would have to be significant changes to the storyline in order to make it work. Are those the kinds of changes you would approve or disapprove of.

[Reflectionist]

*thinks about killing 'Pick 'n chew' and goes to sleep*

Ah, Pokemon....

Okay, jet lagged here... 20 rupees to whoever can tell me whats happened since the last time i posted in here in as much detail as possible, and as short as possible. Don't forget, I'm still here, working on it... PM me some suggestions but don't make it like "3AT $Hit & Diiiiiiiiii"

[TSA]

Act I is 30 pages...

Act II is 60+, but only about 30 of it is up.

It hasn't changed in about a month, the script. But it's been changed quite a bit on my end. Tonight I'm uploading the newest draft.

In case you're wondering how far I am in the script as a whole - Page 85.

[Hero of Winds]

So in your closed world view if it can't be done, why try? Hm, I think I'm beginning to understand you a bit more.

You're certainly not one to talk about being close-minded. You being a film student (or as you put it, "Filming is my religion...") makes you think that all movies are inherently perfect, and that problems with a movie are actually problems with the viewer. Case in point: the Matrix trilogy, the Wachowski brothers, and your quote war debate with Steve and Granite.

[Reflectionist]

that's good, TSA.

maybe i'm dumb... but... over what game / games are you doing your script on??

[Hero of Winds]

that's good, TSA.

maybe i'm dumb... but... over what game / games are you doing your script on??

I think the basic premise is OoT, with some elements taken from other games so the movie's not a carbon copy of the game. Plus, some original stuff for flair.

[Reflectionist]

That sounds awesome.

When do we get to see it?

[Husse]

Chronicle: Question. Is there ANY way they could make a movie that you would be okay with, and if so, explain in detail every nuance that would HAVE to be in place. Just curious.

[thabto81]

You're certainly not one to talk about being close-minded. You being a film student (or as you put it, "Filming is my religion...") makes you think that all movies are inherently perfect, and that problems with a movie are actually problems with the viewer. Case in point: the Matrix trilogy, the Wachowski brothers, and your quote war debate with Steve and Granite.

Dude, I never once said the Matrix trilogy was perfect. In fact, I said the exact opposite and admitted to that several times. And, yes, film is my religion. You gotta problem with that?

Honestly, I don't know where you pull half of you crap out from. I've never once said that movies are inherently perfect. But if you want to get into a film war with me by all means start up another post and I'll be happy to debate that with you.

And one word for you.... Pokemon....

Think about that before you go to sleep....

Pokemon is hardly Zelda. And, again, you're stating opinion rather than fact. Do you have any evidence to support your idea that the pokemon games were ruined by the tv series and the movie?

'tis true. Whethere or not I think they should make a movie, I would like to see this thing too... But you must have theme... Or the whole thing will be pointless.

This is a good comment. Is it directed at me or TSA?