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[Doopliss]

What about this?

Or the second one: What we see in the courtyard is just a flashback of when Link met Zelda for the first time, since everything is exactly the same escept for the Triforce. This is what I actually thought when I beat the game for the first time.

After all, the screen goes black and white...

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[MikePetersSucks]

Then why the heck is Zelda practically doing the same thing she was doing when her and Link first met. She was peeking through the window looking at Ganon. She still looked scared and frantic, while looking through the window as she did when her and Link first met. You all know that's what you initially thought when you first saw that scene...don't deny it. Why would she even return to the castle if she wasn't sure if Ganon was taken care of?

Because it's not like Zelda had psychic dreams that warned her of Ganondorf that could of told her it would be alright to go back to the Castle or something, m i rite?

[Tri-Enforcer]

Then maybe she'd have psychic dreams letting her know not to let Link pull the MS to begin with and avoid all the trouble.

[Fyxe]

Hmmmm, who's the one assuming things?

Read what I said. I did not mention you. I just mentioned that some people who play OoT first have a biased view of the game. SOME people. You applied that to yourself. What does that say about the accuracy of my comment, eh?

That's why I wrote that comment earlier. Also, these are forums over the internet--who cares about acting proper--we do that enough in the real world.

Because you'll be banned, that's why. I don't see why I should put up with being insulted when I did nothing to insult you.

So don't take it personal. It doesn't mean I'd kill you in person or whatever--I just might buy ya a drink or something!

You'd hafta have one hell of a line, boy. ¬.¬

Also, I'm listening to all replies made to me about my theory--what the heck have I been doing the last few pages of this thread? I present to you my reasons as do you. Don't get distraught if I'm not convinced with your points. I listen...I just don't agree. All I'm doing is throwing out what I know and what I feel is implied...the more we do this...the more possibilities.

My problem is that you're not always countering what I'm saying, you're just pretty much going 'no', sometimes.

You say that as if the confirmed order is OOT-aLttP.

Creators said so. As far as we mere fans know, it's as close to confirmed as it gets.

Graphical oversight. Like your Ganon explanation...we'll just say that the creators forgot to change the background model. I mean with so much happening, these mistakes and errors are common through OOT. Oh yeah, tell me how does Zelda get the Ocarina back in the past? We see her give it to Link in MM.l

Right, so you expect Link to just be stuck in there? He walks out an open door. The background isn't a 'model'. It's a fairly obvious large series of objects. Besides, IT DOESN'T CHANGE WHAT ZELDA SAYS. You can't pretend what she said doesn't matter.

The Ocarina could be sent back by Zelda herself, I presume. Link might still have it. We don't know that. There's no reason why Zelda couldn't of sent it as well.

Then why the heck is Zelda practically doing the same thing she was doing when her and Link first met. She was peeking through the window looking at Ganon. She still looked scared and frantic, while looking through the window as she did when her and Link first met. You all know that's what you initially thought when you first saw that scene...don't deny it.

Rubbish. I thought she was looking through a window. You're ASSUMING she was looking at Ganondorf. You're ASSUMING she looks scared and frantic - I didn't notice that.

But, by the way, it's not a flashback. In the original, Link went right up to Zelda before she turns around, and she looks shocked. In the final scenes, she turns around earlier than before as if she knew he would show up, and Link is standing much further away, AND HE HAS THE BLOODY TRIFORCE OF COURAGE.

Just so you know, this is impossible to be a graphical oversight for reasons I have already expained, but also because Young Link never has the ToC shown on his hand at any other point, meaning it was definitely an addition rather than an oversight. But I already knew that anyway.

Edited by Fyxe, 03 July 2006 - 05:55 PM.

[mohammedali]

The events would still take place after OoT has ended, thus they would not really be OoT, they would be after.

No. Ganon touching the Triforce happens during OoT. It's not after, as I said before.

The game creators said that TWW comes after OoT, so it would have to be between OoT and ALttP. There is no other place for it in a single timeline.

Coming after OoT is VERY different to coming between OoT and aLttP. It's wrong to assume they are the same thing.
Firstly, you should be considering the point that WW could come after aLttP. If you find that WW can't come after aLttP, and aLttP can't come after WW, then perhaps you should start thinking what the creators meant by there being two endings, and work out an alternative that satisfies it. If there is no place in a single timeline, then you should assume that the single timeline is incorrect, and not the creators. Don't 'decide' they changed their mind, just because you refuse to change yours.

Mohammed Ali

Edited by mohammedali, 03 July 2006 - 06:30 PM.

[Fyxe]

Never thought I'd be totally agreeing with mohammedali, but he's so very right.

[Jumbie]

Hi @ all,
I may be new here but I'm not a n00b. I was born before LoZ came out, though my first Zelda games were OoT+ALttP simultaneously. I've been following this thread from the beginning, so I know what I'll be talking about

First of all, everybody listen to Mohammedali's words as they are words of wisdom (...love to quote Navi)

Second, isn't it about time that we'd return to what this thread was originally meant to be about: the construction of a reasonable timeline based solely on canon facts?
I mean, we people who have realized that a split timeline is the developers' true intention, and the only way to possibly order all the Zelda games, are in the majority now (me, mohammedali, Arturo, Fyxe... sorry if I forgot someone) - so we might as well start to settle the validity of Multiple Timelines as canon fact and start occupying with the actual order of the games in it. Or what do you think?

[mohammedali]

Thanks for the posts Fyxe and Jumbie. Nice start to my birthday
As for multiple timelines, I can tell you that the number of supporters for a split have seemingly increased quite a bit since I joined over a year ago. However, I don't know if the split is widely accepted enough yet. I might make another poll for this like I did last year to see the difference.
In any case though, there could always be a discussion for splitters to work out what the correct sequence of events are via a different thread.

Mohammed Ali

[Fyxe]

No, Jumbie, we still can't accept it as canon fact. We shouldn't, not without knowing more. I still don't completely buy the split timeline. It has problems. Some big, some small, but they're there, just as in the single timeline. I think the best way to come up with a perfect timeline is to stop arguing for each one specifically, and instead argue for ways each individual method could work, without arguing whether one is better than the other. That's an argument for a later day.

A split is such a big departure from a regular timeline that there's no point arguing for one or the other. Either there's a split or there isn't. We should all argue for possibilities of BOTH.

This endless argument about whether there is a split or not goes nowhere. The simple answer is that there very well MIGHT be, but we don't know. So argue for both. And until the creators tell us more, just concentrate on other issues.

Edited by Fyxe, 03 July 2006 - 07:42 PM.

[SOAP]

I never see him reach out for it. He doesn't. But, he also does not have a shield of any kind. All he has is the Kokiri Sword. I don't see how Link simply having the bare minimum of items means he's gone further back in time than normal.

It still doesn't change what Zelda tells him to do and the fact that the door is open, which is the important matter.

His arms are outstretched as if he was about to touch but seems to snap back to reality and pull back. But in any case that doesn't matter. That's [img]http://forums.legendsalliance.com/public/ALOT.png[/img] of items though that aren't there/different, compared to ONE opened door which could've easily explained by some internal mechanism in the door itself that causes it to open when the Sacred Realm is open from the inside. I mean honestly, if need be they could've just used the same Link from the other returning sequences if they didn't mean to infer he sent that far back? Also, it just wouldn've made more sense for Zelda to send Link farther back to a point where he didn't get involved. I mean why send Link back just to endure the same shit over again.

On! Just rechecked it. No Spiritual Stones on the altar either. Another graphical oversight?

[Fyxe]

His arms are outstretched as if he was about to touch but seems to snap back to reality and pull back.

No, watch it again, he is looking at his arms doing the same animation that adult Link does when he realises he's an adult. He's looking down at himself. I never see him reach for the sword.

But in any case that doesn't matter. That's [img]http://forums.legendsalliance.com/public/ALOT.png[/img] of items though that aren't there/different, compared to ONE opened door which could've easily explained by some internal mechanism in the door itself that causes it to open when the Sacred Realm is open from the inside. I mean honestly, if need be they could've just used the same Link from the other returning sequences if they didn't mean to infer he sent that far back?

It IS the same Link, it's Young Link, what more do you want? And you're still ignoring WHAT ZELDA SAID.

Also, it just wouldn've made more sense for Zelda to send Link farther back to a point where he didn't get involved. I mean why send Link back just to endure the same shit over again.

Because he DOESN'T, that's the whole POINT, he hadn't lived for those seven years. How is that enduring the same shit? He's saved the future, he can't save the past as it is, so his time is his own.

On! Just rechecked it. No Spiritual Stones on the altar either. Another graphical oversight?

Since when do you see the altar? I bet you had to peer really really closely. Also, I can explain this one easily. The Sacred Stones are NEVER visible from the room with the Master Sword. They're not loaded. Check during gameplay. Depending on which part of the Temple of Time you are in, the other part is reduced to a scaled down, lower polygon version to save on loading space.

EDIT: I meant to say Spiritual Stones. I've been playing too much Fire Emblem. Now, THERE'S a series with *plot*.

Edited by Fyxe, 03 July 2006 - 08:05 PM.

[Jumbie]

Oh, happy Birthday then!

Fyxe:
A split is such a big departure from a regular timeline that there's no point arguing for one or the other. Either there's a split or there isn't. We should all argue for possibilities of BOTH.

Hm, I'd really like to argue for the possibility of a Single Timeline too, but... I cannot I just don't manage to ignore all the things that OoT and TWW imply (have all been mentioned here, that's why I think the split is canonic), let alone the Aonuma/Miyamoto interview...
Seeing me argue for a Single Timeline was only possible back when OoT and MM were released

Fyxe:
And until the creators tell us more, just concentrate on other issues.

I know, we should just wait until TP and, more important for the timeline, PH come out. Then again, what are we supposed to do until fall other than think about the storyline?

mohammedali:
In any case though, there could always be a discussion for splitters to work out what the correct sequence of events are via a different thread.

Why open a new thread about Multiple Timelines, if there can only be one valid order anyway? Can't we find that out right here?
Whatever, I'd really like someone to start again connecting any games Maybe if we make it step by step, and everyone follows the process, we could all agree? *utopia*

[Fyxe]

Oh, happy Birthday then!

Amen.

Hm, I'd really like to argue for the possibility of a Single Timeline too, but... I cannot I just don't manage to ignore all the things that OoT and TWW imply (have all been mentioned here, that's why I think the split is canonic), let alone the Aonuma/Miyamoto interview...

It's difficult, but I don't think TWW alone implies a split. There's no indication of timelines or anything involved. However, the interview is another matter, and the actual events of TWW are very destructive to a single timeline in general.

Seeing me argue for a Single Timeline was only possible back when OoT and MM were released

It's Nintendo's fault. They like screwing with us.

I know, we should just wait until TP and, more important for the timeline, PH come out. Then again, what are we supposed to do until fall other than think about the storyline?

I like to think about a Fire Emblem/Zelda crossover game. Now that would be perfect.

Why open a new thread about Multiple Timelines, if there can only be one valid order anyway? Can't we find that out right here?

I'm not sure about starting a new thread, but mohammedali has a point. Maybe there is only one valid order, but there's no point wasting our time going in circles arguing for two very very different concepts. As I see it, there is no *proof* for a split timeline. Yet nobody has come up with a perfectly logical single timeline yet. But that doesn't mean it's not possible, and discounting it as a possibility is just being blind to another option, just as people have been blind to a split timeline.

Whatever, I'd really like someone to start again connecting any games Maybe if we make it step by step, and everyone follows the process, we could all agree? *utopia*

Well, I tried that, but as soon as you get to OoT everyone throws up a fuss and nobody agrees.

[Doopliss]

Oh! Hello Jumbie. I think we are still discussing whether there is or not a split timeline because it is highly important for the storyline and we haven't gotten to any conclusion yet. However, I agree with Fyxe, we should discuss possibilities for both of them while we figure out which one is correct. I may look like a single timeline supporter, but in reality I think that we haven't been able to prove which of them is the true one yet so I don't have a neutral opinion on this.

I know, we should just wait until TP and, more important for the timeline, PH come out. Then again, what are we supposed to do until fall other than think about the storyline?

We can always work with what we have, as if we were in the 1990s.

I think that we should dedicate this thread to clarify certain points that are vital for the storyline before we can get to a timeline that everyone agrees on because these points are the ones that have always stop us when we want to discuss a timeline.

Happy birthday mohammedali!

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Edited by Doopliss, 03 July 2006 - 08:35 PM.

[SOAP]

Congrats Ali! My birthday's this week too.

(FYXE) No, watch it again, he is looking at his arms doing the same animation that adult Link does when he realises he's an adult. He's looking down at himself. I never see him reach for the sword.

Again, I don't care. Does not hurt the theory that he was sent further back in time.

It IS the same Link, it's Young Link, what more do you want? And you're still ignoring WHAT ZELDA SAID.

Then why go through all that trouble to use an earlier version of child Link?

Because he DOESN'T, that's the whole POINT, he hadn't lived for those seven years. How is that enduring the same shit? He's saved the future, he can't save the past as it is, so his time is his own.

Now you're ignoring whta Zelda said. She wanted Link to live out the rest of his childhood the way it was MEANT to be. She regretted getting Link involved and thought to amke it up to him by giving him back his lost time. He's duty is done. Why send him back to redo things differently when he already accomplished what he needed to do in the Future?

Since when do you see the altar? I bet you had to peer really really closely. Also, I can explain this one easily. The Sacred Stones are NEVER visible from the room with the Master Sword. They're not loaded. Check during gameplay. Depending on which part of the Temple of Time you are in, the other part is reduced to a scaled down, lower polygon version to save on loading space.

It's not hard to see it at all. Maybe on YouTube but I never had that problem. I don't recall the Spiritual stones being obscured or not included in the view.

Edited by SOAP, 03 July 2006 - 08:33 PM.

[Fyxe]

Again, I don't care. Does not hurt the theory that he was sent further back in time.

I was just pointing our the error in what you said, jeez, otherwise it's just something to back up your arguement, and if it's false I'm going to point it out.

Then why go through all that trouble to use an earlier version of child Link?

They didn't. They SAVED on trouble. They left out the shield and the Goron Bracelet and gave him the bare minimum. You can't argue whether this was purposeful or not because you don't know, but if it had a purpose it would of been to avoid shield inconsistency originally, but presumably in removing the shield they also just moved the Link character model to the one that just has a sword and forgot the Goron Bracelet. If it was meant to mean anything, it would of been more obvious.

Now you're ignoring whta Zelda said. She wanted Link to live out the rest of his childhood the way it was MEANT to be. She regretted getting Link involved and thought to amke it up to him by giving him back his lost time. He's duty is done. Why send him back to redo things differently when he already accomplished what he needed to do in the Future?

Because she didn't send him back to redo things differently. You're adding that bit yourself, for god's sake.

It's not hard to see it at all. Maybe on YouTube but I never had that problem. I don't recall the Spiritual stones being obscured or not included in the view.

Whether you can see where they sit or not isn't the issue. They are NOT there when you are in the room with the Master Sword, never in the game, even when they're meant to be. They're just not. I shouldn't have to provide proof, this is just the way the game works and you can check yourself.

[SOAP]

Because she didn't send him back to redo things differently. You're adding that bit yourself, for god's sake.

Maybe you didn't say that but that's what would happen if Link wasn't sent back before the whole mess began. Ganon's status would be totally up in the air but wherever he is, if Link was sent after anytime he collected his third stone, Ganondorf would know where the Triforce was, if he doesn't alraedy have a peice of it depending on just how far back Link was sent, at that point it wouldn't be a matter of if but when he would conquer Hyrule. It would make much more sense for Zelda to send Link back to before the two ever met so that Ganondorf would not learn the secret of the Sacred Realm's location.

Edited by SOAP, 03 July 2006 - 09:07 PM.

[Fyxe]

Maybe you didn't say that but that's what would happen if Link wasn't sent back before the whole mess began. Ganon's status would be totally up in the air but wherever he is, if Link was sent after anytime he collected his third stone, Ganondorf would know where the Triforce was, if he doesn't alraedy have a peice of it depending on just how far back Link was sent, at that point it wouldn't be a matter of if but when he would conquer Hyrule. It would make much more sense for Zelda to send Link back to before the two ever met so that Ganondorf would not learn the secret of the Sacred Realm's location.

Ganondorf already knew the secret, that's why he was after the Spiritual Stones. There's no way for Link to stop him as a kid, which is why he had to become an adult in the first place. You're actually arguing against yourself - if sent back before the whole mess began, then you're right, everything's up in the air and it wouldn't make sense. So he should be sent back like he is normally sent back.

There's no way to stop Ganondorf getting the Triforce eventually. He would claim the Ocarina and the stones for himself, and defeat anyone who stood in his way. The only choice was to seal Link in the Sacred Realm.

[SOAP]

Ganondorf already knew the secret, that's why he was after the Spiritual Stones. There's no way for Link to stop him as a kid, which is why he had to become an adult in the first place. You're actually arguing against yourself - if sent back before the whole mess began, then you're right, everything's up in the air and it wouldn't make sense. So he should be sent back like he is normally sent back.

There's no way to stop Ganondorf getting the Triforce eventually. He would claim the Ocarina and the stones for himself, and defeat anyone who stood in his way. The only choice was to seal Link in the Sacred Realm.

He still wouldn't be able to get past the Master Sword, the final failsafe. Only a heroic person could pull it from it's pedestal and reveal the path to the Sacred Realm. That's what he needed Link for for. If he was sent before he and Zelda ever met, Ganon wouldn't have ever entered the Sacred Realm. He'd still be either off looking for Spiritual stones or waiting for a chance to nab the ocarina from Zelda, which she'd still have in time for MM.

[Mad Scrub]

Both explanations create problems. The solution? Kidnap Miyamoto, Aonuma and a whole bunch of translators to find out their original intentions. Then we can have fun arguing about which translation is the most accurate and the whole cycle will go on and on and on...

Edited by Mad Scrub, 04 July 2006 - 12:16 AM.

[TheAvengerLever]

Okay, Oot, Child Link goes to the future, becomes Adult Link. Ganon brings the pieces of the Triforce together. Link defeats Ganon, puts the MS back into the pedestal and the future disappears. Link is Child Link again, and therefore the future events haven’t happened yet. Link goes off to Termina and he has his adventure there, thinking that Ganon is sealed in the past. He comes back to find that that isn’t the case. Link, probably grown a little bit by now. He gathers the Knights of Hyrule before Ganondorf can get rid of them, awakens the sages, and the IW happens. That means:

OoT Child
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MM
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IW
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TP
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TWW
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PH
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FS
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FSA
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TMC
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ALttP
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AST-LA
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OoA-OoS
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LoZ-AoL
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Non Canon Material, Comics, CD-I games.

This may sound absolutely stupid to you all, but I was just thinking about it. Timeline isn't perfect of course.

Edited by TheAvengerButton, 04 July 2006 - 01:22 AM.

[Hero of Slime]

TMC has to be before FS.

[Arturo]

Hi Jumbie, nice to see you here unexpectedly!

First of all, everybody listen to Mohammedali's words as they are words of wisdom (...love to quote Navi)

That´s from the Great Deku Tree

I think we can work out together a semi-perefect timeline. That are my ideas, that ones I think almost everyone agrees with:

OoT>TP>TWW>PH
OoT>MM>ALttP>LoZ>AoL
TMC>FS>FSA
(ALttP>LA/(KnS))/(OoX>LA)

I think these are the perfect püieces. Let´s engage them together!



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[SOAP]

I'd like to note that it IS possible to fit games between TMC and the FS games. Just think that should be considered.

I also game up with two timelines which can be seen if my sig but I'll repeat them anyways:

My Single Timeline
TMC // OOT (p) - MM - OOT (f) // TWW - PH // FS - FSA // ALTTP - AST -LA // OOX // LOZ - AOL

Alternatively, the dark future could be erased in this timeline depending on how far back Link went but it remains a legend anyways within the Royal Family and then spreads and becomes a myth years later up until the flood. OR, there could be a split that's only reserved for MM. At this point I'm open to either way. I'm like bisexual when it comes to these things, lol.

My Split Timeline
Adult - OOT // TWW - PH // ALTTP - AST - LA // LOZ -AOL
Child - OOT - MM // TMC // FS - FSA // OOX

Edited by SOAP, 04 July 2006 - 04:36 AM.

[Tri-Enforcer]

Happy birthday mohammedali!

(Fyxe) Read what I said. I did not mention you. I just mentioned that some people who play OoT first have a biased view of the game. SOME people. You applied that to yourself. What does that say about the accuracy of my comment, eh?

Let's take another look....

(Fyxe) Was OoT your first Zelda game? I get the feeling that maybe you didn't know much about Zelda before OoT. Not that that matters, but it may cloud your judgement about where OoT came from and what the intentions of the creators were.

You mention the word 'you' several times there---you made this comment towards me. It's very obvious. That's just like you to try to twist things around. You're the jerk, Fyxe. Stop acting like you're the victim all the damn time

(Fyxe) You'd hafta have one hell of a line, boy.

I'll be the better person and not respond to that. If I say what I have in mind, then I'd be banned.

Creators said so. As far as we mere fans know, it's as close to confirmed as it gets.

The creators once said FS was first. Obviously that changed with the release of MC. Things change and so do the ideas of the creators.

Right, so you expect Link to just be stuck in there? He walks out an open door. The background isn't a 'model'. It's a fairly obvious large series of objects. Besides, IT DOESN'T CHANGE WHAT ZELDA SAYS. You can't pretend what she said doesn't matter.

You're right it does not change what Zelda said. However, I'm not trying to change what Zelda said. As soon as Link arrives in the past, the mere act of him arriving and not pulling the MS any longer, follows part of Zelda's request. The other half is fulfilled by reclosing the door of time. Also, if thing can wrong with models, as you point out, it could happen with backgrounds. Oh, I forget, it's only ok for you to use the error excuse.

The Ocarina could be sent back by Zelda herself, I presume. Link might still have it. We don't know that. There's no reason why Zelda couldn't of sent it as well.

We see Link being spirited away after Zelda plays the Ocarina, she's still holding it as he leaves.

(Fyxe) Rubbish. I thought she was looking through a window. You're ASSUMING she was looking at Ganondorf. You're ASSUMING she looks scared and frantic - I didn't notice that.

Garbage...trash. Zelda looks rather worried to me as she turns around away from the window. What other reason would she be looking through the courtyard window--stooped over and worried? This scene is very implied to be their first meeting.

(Fyxe) Just so you know, this is impossible to be a graphical oversight for reasons I have already expained, but also because Young Link never has the ToC shown on his hand at any other point, meaning it was definitely an addition rather than an oversight. But I already knew that anyway.

Awhile back you told me that Zelda's right hand was not shown in the final scene. Apparently, you didn't 'already know' that this could be seen. If you're wandering what I'm getting at: Zelda and Ganon have the crest appearing on their right hands, and Link's crest appears on his Left. If the final scene with Link and Zelda was after Ganon split the Triforce, then why isn't Zelda's mark resonating? Let me guess, Fyxe, graphical error right? *sigh* Like I said before, the mark we see at the end could very well be merely an indicator that Link has overcome a great obstacle in the alternate future and that he's destined for the ToC.

[Jumbie]

I wonder what it is that keeps you all from just kicking this old-fashioned, boring and false Single Timeline theories into the wastebin once and for all... Is it out of pity, or mercy maybe?
Why should Single Timelines get the right to exist as a possibility, if there's no evidence at all speaking for them anymore?

Tri-Enforcer:
The creators once said FS was first. Obviously that changed with the release of MC. Things change and so do the ideas of the creators.

Well, of course that particular thing changed. If the game FS is supposed to be the first, and then you get a prequel to that game, it's only logical that that prequel TMC is first now

Tri-Enforcer:
We see Link being spirited away after Zelda plays the Ocarina, she's still holding it as he leaves.

That's correct, Adult Zelda is still holding the ocarina made of "Future Hyrule matter". But when Link arrives back in the past, he may very well still have the ocarina made of "Past Hyrule matter" in his pockets. There is absolutely no reason to assume that because Adult Zelda held the ocarina, in the past the young Zelda has to have it, as well. Those two princesses are two different persons, after all (unlike Link, since he's the Hero of Time).

Tri-Enforcer:
Garbage...trash. Zelda looks rather worried to me as she turns around away from the window. What other reason would she be looking through the courtyard window--stooped over and worried? This scene is very implied to be their first meeting.

Zelda isn't worried, she is just gripped by... awe, because she's seeing the saviour of two timelines before her. And so is Link, as this final meeting is an epic moment for him, too.
Have you never noticed that this courtyard is Zelda's favourite place in the castle? Her favourite pastime is staring through that window. When Link first visited her, she was looking through it although Ganondorf was not yet kneeling before the king. In fact, you don't see Ganondorf inside there in the final scene either. So, Zelda looking through the window again has nothing to do with Ganondorf still being around.

If Zelda really didn't know Link yet, as you say, she wouldn't have swirled around at hearing Link's footsteps. Or did she when we actually got to play that scene?! No, rather than that, Link had to virtually tip her on the shoulder to turn around.

Tri-Enforcer:
If the final scene with Link and Zelda was after Ganon split the Triforce, then why isn't Zelda's mark resonating?

Although your question is meant ironically, I have to say that Zelda really needn't have her Triforce of Wisdom in the final scene. Link holds his ToC, as everyone but you is willing to accept, but we don't see a mark on Zelda so she doesn't hold the ToW. As for why that is, I can't give an explanation, so don't anybody ask for one...

Edited by Jumbie, 04 July 2006 - 12:57 PM.

[MikePetersSucks]

Then maybe she'd have psychic dreams letting her know not to let Link pull the MS to begin with and avoid all the trouble.

Or maybe she didn't because the Gods wanted the Triforce to split because it's their instigator for interesting events they label as destiny so no one gets mad at them for ruining their lives for it's own entertainment.

ALSO, regardless of Single or Multiple Timelines, I still hope that the Twilight Princess is about the two timelines in a multiple timeline scenario crashing into each other muhahaha

[Doopliss]

I wonder what it is that keeps you all from just kicking this old-fashioned, boring and false Single Timeline theories into the wastebin once and for all... Is it out of pity, or mercy maybe?

Wha...? I request an explanation.

Manifestation pacifique en raison du Pie Forum. Jour 2. V

Edited by Doopliss, 04 July 2006 - 02:49 PM.

[Tri-Enforcer]

Well, of course that particular thing changed. If the game FS is supposed to be the first, and then you get a prequel to that game, it's only logical that that prequel TMC is first now

My point is that things change.

Zelda isn't worried, she is just gripped by... awe, because she's seeing the saviour of two timelines before her. And so is Link, as this final meeting is an epic moment for him, too.
Have you never noticed that this courtyard is Zelda's favourite place in the castle? Her favourite pastime is staring through that window. When Link first visited her, she was looking through it although Ganondorf was not yet kneeling before the king. In fact, you don't see Ganondorf inside there in the final scene either. So, Zelda looking through the window again has nothing to do with Ganondorf still being around.

Link looks stoic as usual and the Princess is still stooped down looking into the window as she's doing when you first meet her. She looks worried to me--I'm watching the speedrun of the whole game on my computer. The scenes are pretty much the same with the exception of the Triforce mark.

When Link first visited her, she was looking through it although Ganondorf was not yet kneeling before the king. In fact, you don't see Ganondorf inside there in the final scene either.

That's because they simply ended the final scene with Link and Zelda starring at one another. Also, when Zelda was peeping through the window, she was aware that Ganondorf was on his way. That's why she looked frantic the moment Link and Zelda met.

If Zelda really didn't know Link yet, as you say, she wouldn't have swirled around at hearing Link's footsteps. Or did she when we actually got to play that scene?! No, rather than that, Link had to virtually tip her on the shoulder to turn around.

People tend to turn around or look back when someone is coming up behind them--especially if you're alone. That's just common sense.

Although your question is meant ironically, I have to say that Zelda really needn't have her Triforce of Wisdom in the final scene. Link holds his ToC, as everyone but you is willing to accept, but we don't see a mark on Zelda so she doesn't hold the ToW. As for why that is, I can't give an explanation, so don't anybody ask for one...

Then shut up if you can't explain it. This is part why I believe this and no one else does. You think I care if most people disagree with me on this? You certainly wrote that as if I should. It doesn't make sense for Link to have his, but Zelda not have hers, if you believe the scene takes place after the Triforce split.

[Arturo]

Link looks stoic as usual and the Princess is still stooped down looking into the window as she's doing when you first meet her. She looks worried to me--I'm watching the speedrun of the whole game on my computer. The scenes are pretty much the same with the exception of the Triforce mark.

And with the exception that Zelda turns immediately, whereas when Link met her for first time, she didn't. And she's not watching Ganondorf all the time, because when Link looks through the window he has obviously just entered, and Zelda has been lokking all the time. From this we can conclude that she looks through the window to see what happens inside the throne chamber.

Then shut up if you can't explain it. This is part why I believe this and no one else does. You think I care if most people disagree with me on this? You certainly wrote that as if I should. It doesn't make sense for Link to have his, but Zelda not have hers, if you believe the scene takes place after the Triforce split.

Can you explain why the Golden Goddesses created Hyrule? Can you explain why the Triforce splits in three when a person with an unbalanced mind touches it? Can you explain why the Masks in MM transformed Link? Can you explain why making a wish Link just can open the gates to the Dessert Dungeon? You can't, because those are given facts. You have to accept them by faith. In the OoT ending Link has the ToC but Zelda doesn't have the ToW. Who has it? Surely Ganondorf, because the Triforce tends to combine into one. Why? That's something unexplainable. As is everything that happens in Zelda. If you are given a few facts you have to accept them, unless they contradict each other (then you have to ponder which ones are more important). Not accepting given facts is fanficcish.


And please, try to be nicer, not telling anyone to shut up and all those tjhings. You are discussing about a videogame, not in a fight.