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[Vazor]

It's impossible to avoid this rap/hip hop crap-culture. It's everywhere. Every time you turn on the TV, or the radio, it's there. Every time you walk into a public place with "music" playing, guess what it is? When you walk through the halls of your school, who are all the mindless ameoba immitating?

Popular culture has always messed with kids' heads. But never has it been to this extent. It has destroyed all hope for my generation.

[Selena]

But anyway it does get a bit annoying when people annoy me on what music I listen to. I like Classical, and Jazz. Yeah so what. If I like to listen to more civilized music that doesn't mean people have to come picking on me.

Ahhhh. So you can pick on his favorite music, but other people shouldn't make fun of yours? That certainly sounds fair, doesn't it?

It has destroyed all hope for my generation.

Drama student, are you?


Really, it's not as bad as people make it out to be. One, we didn't live in the past generations, so we can't exactly see firsthand how emersed they were. I seem to remember hearing that teens who were into revolutionary rock groups got themselves in pretty big trouble at the time for listening to that heathen stuff. Second, it might just be a city thing if it's concentrated that bad. Out here in the boonies, rap is pretty popular, but punk rockers and classic rock fans outnumber them about 3 to 1.

[krismas]

ooo good point lena

[Vazor]

I seem to remember hearing that teens who were into revolutionary rock groups got themselves in pretty big trouble at the time for listening to that heathen stuff.

Rock music as a whole was never nearly as offensive as rap is as a whole.

Second, it might just be a city thing if it's concentrated that bad.

I don't know. Ask a city person next time. I live in the subburbs. I'd hate to think what it's like in the cities, if it's this bad where I live.

Out here in the boonies, rap is pretty popular, but punk rockers and classic rock fans outnumber them about 3 to 1.

Here, ghetto-wannabes outnumber us about 20 to 1. Literally. And every one of them is a mindless zombie who'd rather watch generic reality show # 78 than read a book.

Drama student, are you?

As a matter of fact, I am. I fail to see your point.

[Selena]

My point was...

It has destroyed all hope for my generation.

...that that was kind of overdramatic.

And every one of them is a mindless zombie who'd rather watch generic reality show # 78 than read a book.

That's a teenager in general. Not a just a rap fan.





Now personally I find blaming rap solely for teenager's bad behavior like blaming teen violence solely on video games. Neither helps the case, but neither is a direct cause for it all. I have nothing against the gangsta guys, as most of the ones I've met are pretty... out there, but generally nice people, and I don't hold grudges.

Sure, rap doesn't help the 'teenagers being nice' cause, but it's hardly the actual problem. The actual problem has been plaguing society for years, no matter what's popular. Young punks just wanna rebel. It's their nature. There are some, mostly like us, I guess, who don't really buy into the rebellion thing without proper motivation, but the point stands.

I don't like rap, but I'm not going to blame it (and without very good reason) for teenager behavior or bad mouth it. You wouldn't like people making fun of your favorite genre, so it's not kind to do the same to others.

Yes, it's everywhere (I guess), but so was rock back when it was still taboo to be listened to. Rock might not be as offensive as rap now, but back when it was first emerging, I believe it was getting the same reaction.

[krismas]

heyheyhey ill let u know im a teenager and i know lots of them who arent as u say right there lena!!!

[Delphi]

Please, Bond. Enlighten me. What kind of classical music do you listen to? Because I know a lot of people who claim they are classical music fans and all they listen to are Pachebel's Canon and Beethoven's 9th Symphony. Prove to me that you are what you say.

And there's an easy remedy to tuning out music you don't like. They're called CD players and earphones. They do wonders, really.

This generation more messed up than any other? Please. Hippie movement anyone? Just as bad or worse as this one.

And I heard that Weird Al like skipped a grade AND graduated as Valedictorian, has a college education in architecture, AND is a lyrical genius. He is TEH ROXORZ!

[Vazor]

And there's an easy remedy to tuning out music you don't like. They're called CD players and earphones. They do wonders, really.

You can't just tune out the world. That's impossible. You can't have your headphones everywhere.

This generation more messed up than any other? Please. Hippie movement anyone? Just as bad or worse as this one.

The hippies started the problem. They decided to go and screw up the world, and every generation since them has gotten progressively worse.

Now personally I find blaming rap solely for teenager's bad behavior like blaming teen violence solely on video games. Neither helps the case, but neither is a direct cause for it all. I have nothing against the gangsta guys, as most of the ones I've met are pretty... out there, but generally nice people, and I don't hold grudges.

It's not so much the "music" that has screwed up society, so much as the culture it promotes. When kids see their favorite celebrities promoting womanizing, drug use, and reckless sexuality, guess what: they're gonna think it's a good thing! If the rappers didn't seem to have this vendetta against morality, I wouldn't have a problem with them (well, except for the fact that it sucks, but thats's another story). They created this culture, promoted it, and they're dragging us down to hell with them.

Sure, rap doesn't help the 'teenagers being nice' cause, but it's hardly the actual problem. The actual problem has been plaguing society for years, no matter what's popular. Young punks just wanna rebel. It's their nature.

Wrong. The problem isn't that it's in teenage nature to rebel; crappy parents make teens want to rebel. Debunked.

I don't like rap, but I'm not going to blame it (and without very good reason) for teenager behavior or bad mouth it. You wouldn't like people making fun of your favorite genre, so it's not kind to do the same to others.

Funny, I don't seem to remember Ozzy Osbourne singing about smacking his hos and bitches around. And he was just about as amoral as rock got.

[Bond Extreme]

Ahhhh.   So you can pick on his favorite music, but other people shouldn't make fun of yours?  That certainly sounds fair, doesn't it?  

I'm saying that they pick on me directly as in telling me what music I should and shouldn't listen to. I'm just saying what I think about rap. I'm not making fun of Hustla, or telling him what music he should listen to.

And Delphie I listen to most of the classical music. If it sounds nice then I'll be listening. And I mostly listen to bond. They are actually a classical/pop band. Though I can tell that it is classical. You can see them below in my sig.

[Selena]

Wrong. The problem isn't that it's in teenage nature to rebel; crappy parents make teens want to rebel. Debunked.

No, not debunked. I know plenty of rebel brats (including myself to an extent) who come from fairly nice and stable families.

Funny, I don't seem to remember Ozzy Osbourne singing about smacking his hos and bitches around. And he was just about as amoral as rock got.

Maybe not, but amoral is amoral, isn't it? Singing about smackin' a hoe is somehow worse than biting the head off an innocent animal?

The hippies started the problem. They decided to go and screw up the world, and every generation since them has gotten progressively worse.

It's aaaaaalways the hippies. But not really. Because violence (which isn't so much a hippie thing, but I digress), rebellion and sex was around several decades before them.

It's not so much the "music" that has screwed up society, so much as the culture it promotes. When kids see their favorite celebrities promoting womanizing, drug use, and reckless sexuality, guess what: they're gonna think it's a good thing! If the rappers didn't seem to have this vendetta against morality, I wouldn't have a problem with them (well, except for the fact that it sucks, but thats's another story). They created this culture, promoted it, and they're dragging us down to hell with them.

If you hadn't mentioned rappers, the same could be applied to rock. Not just rap, my friend.

[Wolf O'Donnell]

I remember seeing a bit of a Chris Rock show once.

He said something along the lines of, "You used to be able to defend rap intellectually, but not anymore. There's nothing to defend about lyrics that say, 'Smack her in the face'. And the funny thing is, women dance to this stuff? It's sexist, yet they dance to it. You ask them, 'don't you find it sexist' and they just say, 'He ain't talking about me'."

Maybe music in general is just running out of steam. I mean consider what pop currently has. Will Young? Daniel Beddingfield. Music is dead, man.

[krismas]

oo i saw that. i thinkit is losing its steam

[Alakhriveion]

I actually think that Rap is one of the reasons a lot of teens are failing school. Well at least the ones that want to be cool. In rap they wear are nice clothes. In rap they swear. In rap they use sexual references. In rap they try to be cool. Now these days in the people who try to act cool have all of those or some of those things in their personality. So I think they get most of it from rap.

That's just dumb.

Hate rap? Good for you. I hate plastic. It isn't even a real solid. People who use plastic are idiots. I DEMAND it be banned immediately.

The hippies started the problem. They decided to go and screw up the world, and every generation since them has gotten progressively worse.

False! It is because we REJECTED hippiedom and allowed it to die that everything sucks now.

            Rock music as a whole was never nearly as offensive as rap is as a whole.

Do you actually listen to music? Geesus.

[Veteran]

This is a public service announcement. The following broadcast showing a perfermance by Mr. Elvis Presley shall only be shown from the waist upwards. This is for you, your family, and the country's safety. His girating hips may possibly result in epileptic fits, possible states of rebelliousness, and potential communism. Thank you and enjoy the show.

[Toan]

XDXD I'm willing to bet that's a totally real message too.

[31-Year-Old-From-Georgia]

...how many "OMG I hate rap itz stoopid adn emmatchur" threads do we have now?

[Delphi]

...how many "OMG I hate rap itz stoopid adn emmatchur" threads do we have now?

Far too many. <_<

[Chukchi Husky]

My sister listens to rap so loud it can be heard down the street even with the windows closed, yet no one complains...

The music I listen to is worse than rap...

[Vazor]

*smack Husky in the head*

You do listen to good music. Jerk.

*licks Husky*

[Stalfos]

*licks Husky*

I... don't... think... I even... want to know...

[Vazor]

Oh, hush you.

*licks Stalfos*

[Xeres]

See, I've always been of the opinion that distinguishing ANY genre as 'crap' or whatever is terribly ignorant. I'm certain I can find at least one song I like from any genre... Even... Screamo... Or Scremo... Screaming-Emo, whatever.

Besides, there's too many genres for me to go around hating certain ones. I might even be misrepresenting the songs!

As it is, no, I don't like songs that tell me to smack my bitch up. Hell, I'll do that on my own time. But I also don't like songs that tell me to cut myself because life is too hard, because, y'know... The people recording the songs and making millions have it so very tough...

I have a very general idea about things, this probably comes from my Buddhist mentality, which is terribly passive. Simply put, I enjoy art for the sake of art. I enjoy what I enjoy. If I can only form biased opinions on what other people enjoy, then that's my opinion.

Regarding music being the root of all evil? I don't buy into it. In my mind, nothing that superfluous can make people do things, not unless they're already mindless sheep to begin with. If music convinces you to do something, you'll just as likely be swayed by any other mass media outlet. A.k.a Modern life.

But that's just my opinion.

[Chukchi Husky]

You do listen to good music.  Jerk.

I don't know, a lot of people would probably think it's metal, but it isn't, and whenever I listen to it quietly when I don't have headphones, people complain about it being too loud...

[Joeb Wan Kenobi]

My sister listens to rap so loud it can be heard down the street even with the windows closed, yet no one complains...

The music I listen to is worse than rap...

You should be very ashamed of your sister. Honestly mate there is no music worse than rap [img]http://forums.legendsalliance.com/public/ALOT.png[/img] of it promotes anti-white hatred and wiggerism.

[31-Year-Old-From-Georgia]

Just remember folks: you can't spell crap without rap.

You can spell rap without crap.

<_<

[Flint]

Music is not dead. Put forth some effort to look for music that isn't mainstream and spoonfed to kids.

You'd be surpsised at how much music there is today that is not pop or rap. I used to be the same way about five years ago. I wasn't really into music - all I ever heard about was the latest Nelly or Britney Spears hit. Even though this shit was popular, I just couldn't get into it. I thought it all sucked, but I was afraid of saying anything because I felt like the only person in the world with this opinion. This is what led me to get so attatched to Classic Rock. Eventually I began to expand my horizons and learn more about the music that's actually out there - lots of really good bands.

[Bond Extreme]

I'm sure a lot of you hear have heard me talking about that band, bond. You know the classical/pop group. You can spot them in my sig. But anyway I would like to link you guys to one of my favorite songs they have made. It is called Innocent. It has an awesome beat to it and of course the beautiful string instruments that go with it. This song to me sounds so beautiful. Also this song has somewhat a rap beat to it. Enjoy

[wisp]

You can't just tune out the world.  That's impossible.  You can't have your headphones everywhere.

Try an iPod or something.

The hippies started the problem.  They decided to go and screw up the world, and every generation since them has gotten progressively worse.

Umm, I'm with Alak on this one. Rejecting hippiedom is kind of what screwed us over.

Wrong.  The problem isn't that it's in teenage nature to rebel; crappy parents make teens want to rebel.  Debunked.

No, I believe you're a bit wrong on this one. Most teenagers (myself included, when I was one) automatically think that their parents are much worse than they really are. This is due to immaturity and hormones, mostly. It does not take a crappy parent to make a teen want to rebel; it's just human nature.

[Delphi]

I hate to break it to you Bond...but having violins in a piece doesn't make it classical sounding. There's violins in a lot of Evanesance songs and they're certainly not classical.

So stop this elitism "I'm so much better than you because ~I~ listen to classical sounding music!" Cuz it's REALLY ticking me off.

What classical stuff do you listen to anyways?

You could go listen to like Verdi (GOOD opera. Fun to sing too), Rachmaninov (actually a more recent composer), Mozart's always good, Tchaikovsky I basically grew up with because I danced in the Nutcracker, Puccini wrote beautiful songs, Handel's Messiah (and I mean more than the Halleuja chorus), Wagner's Ride of the Valkyries is awe inspiring.

So is this all I listen to? Heck no! I listen to crazy J-pop, J-Rock, Classic Rock, current Rock, some pop (GASP!), and stuff like Enya and Enigma.

Why don't I like rap? Simple. I like rich melodies and harmonies. It's just what I like. Rap doesn't quite fill that for me.

[wisp]

So stop this elitism "I'm so much better than you because ~I~ listen to classical sounding music!" Cuz it's REALLY ticking me off.

Not to mention that most people who claim to listen to "classical" music wouldn't know classical music from baroque or romantic.