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#121 Darunia

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Posted 26 October 2005 - 05:04 PM

Then there is no point in debating the timeline at all since we only have certain indications and possibilities. But if you want "evidence" then you can take a look at this...


Originally Posted by Deku Tree
That garb you wear... Could you be the legendary hero?

Has the king at long last found the Hero of Time?

What is the matter? Do you not understand the ancient Hylian tongue?

So...you are not the Hero of Time.


It's funny, because once you finish TWW the first time, and go back to play through it again, you can read Hylian. Anyone know what the Deku Tree says during the second quest, when Link can read the Hylian script? Might suggest a hidden knowledge of the past...

#122 Tri-Enforcer

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Posted 26 October 2005 - 05:10 PM

It's funny, because once you finish TWW the first time, and go back to play through it again, you can read Hylian. Anyone know what the Deku Tree says during the second quest, when Link can read the Hylian script? Might suggest a hidden knowledge of the past...


When you do the second quest it doesn't suggest anything than what you can already gain from TWW the first time around.

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Posted 26 October 2005 - 08:06 PM

Majora's Mask.  Link was ambushed and dragged into Termina trying to save his horse, Epona.  He then learns the land where his horse is...is basically doomed.  He has to save Epona (storyline wise), so he has to also keep the world alive long enough.  It's a means to an end his quest.
 
Link's Awakening.  Shipwrecked.  No ship.  Can't leave until Wind Fish wakes.  That's basically pointing a gun at Link's head and saying "stay here, or wake the fish and leave".  He had no choice in that matter, but I'm sure his heart was filled with the desire to do it...

Both of these games involve Link being brought into an adventure, true. However, they are both games set after Link has already been on a main adventure where he chose to get involved. MM was a sequal to OoT and in OoT the GDT asked Link to get involved (also related to dreams he had whilst sleeping). LA was a sequal to aLttP and in aLttP Zelda asked Link to get involved (also related to his psychic messages whilst sleeping).
Hence to say that these games show Link being forced into the adventure, although true, has no real concequence on the debate, as he was already a hero by this point out of choise. Also note that neither of these games involve Zelda or Ganon other than in slight memory. It's not nearly the same thing as the other Zelda games where he chose to get involved.

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Posted 27 October 2005 - 01:43 AM

Whatever the reason, one must say if he didn't, then the evil of that game could've won. If Link decided not to do anything in any of those events involving Ganon, I'm sure he'd be suffering along with the rest of Hyrule or maybe even dead. So it's a good thing that Link up took the mantle whether he was forced to or not.

Back on topic. I think if there is a split TWW stands a decent chance of being last on the 'other' timeline. Whatever that means these days.

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Posted 27 October 2005 - 12:34 PM

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Posted 27 October 2005 - 12:38 PM

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Posted 27 October 2005 - 12:44 PM

Just ignore him. What a jerk. He's cool for being a Sox fan, but lame for hatin' on Zelda.

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Posted 27 October 2005 - 12:48 PM

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Posted 27 October 2005 - 12:51 PM

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Posted 27 October 2005 - 12:51 PM

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Posted 27 October 2005 - 12:52 PM

Moron. IQ of a flea, and that's insulting the flea.

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Posted 27 October 2005 - 12:53 PM

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Posted 27 October 2005 - 12:54 PM

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Posted 27 October 2005 - 12:54 PM

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Posted 27 October 2005 - 12:58 PM

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Posted 27 October 2005 - 12:59 PM

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Posted 27 October 2005 - 01:02 PM

I can't ban people... I'm just a mod. He should be banned soon though. In the meantime, I could lock this thread, but then he'd just post somewhere else.

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Posted 27 October 2005 - 01:02 PM

Mhmm. Not really worth it hey guys. All these posts are gonna get deleted anyway. Just let him do whatever. He'll be gone in no time anyway.

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Posted 27 October 2005 - 01:03 PM

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Posted 27 October 2005 - 01:27 PM

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Posted 27 October 2005 - 01:28 PM

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Posted 27 October 2005 - 01:47 PM

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Posted 27 October 2005 - 01:51 PM

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Posted 27 October 2005 - 01:57 PM

He's got three different accounts. We'd IP ban him, but no admins are on.

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Posted 27 October 2005 - 03:00 PM

GANNON-BAN him already.


Ya, can you please not come on here and using that term? It's stupid and retarded. In other words, the tem GANNON-BAN is GANNON-BANNED from Legends Alliance Forums.*

In other news, I IP banned his ass.

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#148 MikePetersSucks

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Posted 27 October 2005 - 05:54 PM

Aw man! and I missed all the fun!

...what were we talking about again?

#149 TSA

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Posted 27 October 2005 - 06:24 PM

We were talking about TWW being last or something...

#150 Fatgoron

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Posted 27 October 2005 - 07:57 PM

Sod that, when do you think part two of your interview will be availible?

Good point. However, by making a character say something ridiculous, the creators have indirectly told us that it is false. Wouldn’t you agree?

Quite so, but this is where we hit something of a slippery slope.
If we can infer that a character is fallible from our perception of their statement as being ludicrous, then how far does that same logic extend?

If we consider a game to indirectly contradict a character, is that character incorrect, or do they override the game which would otherwise contradict them?
Is it better to infer the creator's intentions from dialogue, or from events? Is it possible to infer their intentions from what makes sense to each of us?

The idea that a character's dialogue is automatically canon until it is directly and explicitly contradicted must exist as an absolute to avoid the slippery slope scenario, otherwise everything that is said can be called into question based on varying interperetations of the creator's intentions.

So while the "Eye of Truth" is the Lens of Truth, it is also a power that can be learned by training. Going on by that, the Lens of Truth is simply a tool made in order to allow people to see the truth without this training.

The quote doesn't actually say that a person can achieve the same effects as the Lens of Truth.
The Eye of Truth is still only used to refer to the Lens of Truth.

It would have been possible if not for the fact that the King says that Link is the Hero he had been looking for.

Is this that "The Hero" business again, or a different dialogue?

What? Nothing in TWW indicates that he had to "prove himself worthy" of the ToC. The ToC simply entered his body the first time he used it.

Well done, Link. You must show
the Triforce piece you have assembled to
the gods.

(Link shows it, Triforce of Courage symbol appears on his hand)

Oh! What is this? There, on your hand--the
Triforce piece now dwells within you!...
...You have controlled the wind and crossed
the seas, and here, near the end of your
quest, the power of the gods has been
bestowed upon you...

This sounds to me like he needed the God's approval. To "Bestow" something is a verb, it has to be done. The ToC was completely assembled upon obtaining the final shard, so had he not required the Gods to bestow it upon him, he should logically have been able to use it immediately.

If OoT Link was the one destined to have the ToC, why does it enter TWW Link's body?

Because he obtained it. It would seem to be the same reason that LoZ Link was able to make use fo the ToW to enter Ganon's dungeon, he assembled it and made it his.




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