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[MikePetersSucks]

Jesus

Knock off the "Holier-than-thou" crap, and I won't do it again. I know my place, know yours.

[SOAP]

How can Tower of the Gods be directly above Hyrule Castle? You can't see the bottom of the Tower when you are at Hyrule Castle.

Okay, I'll just jump in and help Fyxe out here even though she doesn't really need my help... Yes, of course you can't see the bottom of TotG from Hyrule Castle because you wouldn't be able see anything from below all that water besides a shaft of sunlight (assuming that golden glow is the sunlight). But another reason Hyrule Castle is underneath the TotG's is well, where else would it be? Hrule Castle is in the middle of a great lake which is in the middle of a great valley. The nearest mountian is far off in the horizon, just beyond the boundaries of the forcefeild. The only spot such a location could fit on the map is where TotG is emerges, since nearly every other square of the map is has some sort of island or coral reef. Islands and coral reefs just don't grow ontop forcefeilds. Also, if you look at the Triangle islands and how they're placed so strategically on the map. If we assume that these are the moutians we see surrounding Hyrule Castle, then these islands would mark the very boundaries of the forcefeild. That would gie more than enough room for such a large area such as the one Hyrule Castle lies. And another thing, Link doesn't simply teleport to Hyrule Castle. We actually see him going straight down through the water the first time and he even begins to lose his breath part way. Obviously the shortest route is straight down since anything else would cause him to drown.

As for everything else, I don't think it's all that obvious. I mean, Dragon Roost Could be Death Mountian. But then, why is Spectcle Rock so far west of it? SpectcLe Rock matches up almost exactly with the ALttP map, but the Dragon Roost lines up with Waterfall of Wishes and Forest Haven falls upon Lake Hylia! Interesting enough though, using such an orienation, both the Wind and Earth Temples align PERFECTLY with the Tower of Hera and Watergate Temple respectively. But the way I see it, Dragon Roost is Death mOuntian, Forest Haven is Kokiri Woods, and Greatfish Island is the entrance to Gerudo Valley. Frak Spectacle Island.

[Hero of Slime]

I was not talking about the Tower itself but the Tower's base. When Link goes down to the sea floor he goes straight down so he should be able to see the base of the Tower of the Gods when he is on the sea floor. We see that the portal to Hyrule is surrounded by stone arches when above water, but when Link goes below water we can not see any part of the tower of the gods. So either the Tower is floating entirely on the waters surface or the portal transported Link to another location.

I am sorry for posting in this old thread.

[Fatgoron]

I think the easy answer is that it's just magic, like how the tower of the winds floats on a cloud.

[SOAP]

Palace of the Winds, Fatgoron.

Zol, you talk about bases as if the tower was attatched to solid ground. But the thing just springs up from the water from out of nowhere. If there is anything more to the Tower than what we see on the surface, it probably doesn't go that far down. I don't see any reason to believe there's much more than what we get to see. Sure it defies logic that a building that big (still filled with tons of water I might add) but so does even huger palaces floating ontop of the clouds like Fatgoron pointed out. I think it works on some sort of antigravity technolgy far more advanced than anything seen in any Zelda game since it'd have to be a floating structure anyways, even before the flood since there's no indication of any depressions left behind by recently detached towers anywhere under the sea. In any case, it's a man-made (and I use the term "man" very lightly here...) structure. Compared to whole islands and coral reefs, I think it's more likely Hyrule Castle is underneath Tower of the Gods than anything else since other than the Tower, that area is pretty much open water.

Also, Link doesn't teleport. Like I said, we see him actually decend the through the water the first time around straight down to Hyrule Castle.

[Koji]

If you could see the base of the Tower by looking up...then wouldn't you be able to see Hyrule by looking down? Just because you can't see something doesn't mean that it's not there. I bet windows had you conufsed for a long time too, eh? And the wind? Jesus...I would've hated to be with you on THAT day.

[Hero of Slime]

Koji, I was talking about the Towers base on the sea floor.

Also, Link doesn't teleport. Like I said, we see him actually decend the through the water the first time around straight down to Hyrule Castle.

Link could have teleported to another location and then went straight down. I know its strange but I think its more logical than a Tower floating on nothing. However it's also possible that the game creators just chose not to show the Tower's base because a bunch of Stone surrounding the castle would look bad.

[SOAP]

Nope. We actually see him go into the water. There is no indication that he teleprted THEN went straight down. Teleported to another location... Why if he did that, wouldn't it make more sense to just teleport straight to Hyrule Castle and save the risk of Link drowning?

Also, like I said, the Tower rises up out of the water. If it was ever attached to land (which I doubt) it certianly isn't anymore. Even if there's more to the Tower beneath the waves, It'd still be a free floating structure. While it's odd that such a large structure would float on water, consider for a second the Goddess Statues, the Pearls, and the gigantic golden triangle we see just below the waters surface before the Tower appears. If I didn'yt know better, I'd say there;s some magnetic activity going on, which supports my theory that the Tower of the Gods was always a flaoting structure, even before the Flood.

[MikePetersSucks]

Or maybe, since it's a divine tower of the Gods, who tend not to give a shit about our perception of our reality, that they didn't care about making the Tower fit in with the natural world and this discussion is pointless. Y'know...

Or maybe the Tower of the Gods was summoned out of nowhere. Magic n'all O.o

[SOAP]

Wait a minute! The whole seafloor isn't underneath a bubble! Just the area surrounding Hyrule Castle with Ganon's Castle being near the very edge. It is a huge area but not THAT huge. Like I said, if anything, the triangle islands, being part of the mountians we see suround the castle at all sides, mark the boundaries of this undersea air pocket. It is the only area in the map open enough to fit a big valley like the one we see Hyrule Castle. Anything beyond that is just normal seafloor.

[Showsni]

If the Tower of the Gids was designed to be at the same level as the triangle islands before the flood, did it originally float in the air? Is it a palace of winds type thing originally? Or was it built after the flood? I suppose it was probably built after the flood... But by whom?

[world_trecker]

Actually I have been doing reasearch over the web and found more clues to Hyrules past. Before the great flood, the goddesses commanded to tell the towns people to create a secret passage in the castle keep that would lead to the tip top of mountains. Days and days the rain cme down vigoruosly, and the land was completely flooded. As for the King Daphnes Nohasen Hyrule he froze himself in time by using the sword of time himself. That is why in the WW you find the sword in the castle. As for that 800 years have passed, and the search for the heir of the new hero began. After performing few magical moves the king found the hei of the hero of time. The goddesses used the sages to create a tower known as the Tower of the Gods, to use as a praying temple similar that to the Temple of Time. NOW: the turning point. After the ending of TWW, when the king chooses to stay with "his" Hyrule, you dont actually see the king slump and drown, he actually vanishes. Ah...see you werent paying attention to that part. As you may know the king has teleporting powers to go to parts here and there. As Link and Tetra(ZeldaII) find the new Hyrule, the king is still ALIVE. HE dident drown he merely vanished. And theres your story.

[MikePetersSucks]

And here we have....fanfiction! Almost none of that information is in the game, so it's not canon, bucko ^^ Here's a couple nitpicks by the way

1) Why would the Goddesses use the Sages to make the Tower of the Gods? I'm sure that building is beyond the Sages' capabilities.
2) King Daphnes is not alive. The only reason it looks like he's vanishing is because Link's vision was obscured by all the bubbles and crap. King Daphnes is bound to Hyrule, and as you said, if he froze time for himself, he has no future. He MUST die in Hyrule.

[world_trecker]

I see...but hey at least you know what happened befor the flood and how the king survived.

[SOAP]

I think the Tower of the Gods was built before the flood as some sort of passage for those worthy enough enough to return there after the flood covered everything down there. How the pearls act as "keys" to summon the tower, the rising of the tower stragetically right inbetween the Triangle Islands, the portal that appears when you ring it's bell, and he very fact that they whole tower is designed as a test seems to prove that. Really, what other purpose would it have. I also believed it always floated, whether in the sky before the flood or inside the water after it..

But as for who built it, I believe KORL says this:

This tower, which the pearls of the gods
have caused to appear, is a place that the
gods of the ancient world prepared so that
they might test the courage of men.

So... yeah.

Also, world trecker, where the hell are you getting this "research from." That sounds like a bunch of fanmade nonesense. Not to mention oddly familiar...

[MikePetersSucks]

It IS fanfiction. It's from the Book of Mudora from Nintendoland. >_>

[SOAP]

Well no wonder then.

Look, I personally knew the guy who wrote that. Though, me and him aren't so much on good terms. I didn't particularly like how he was personally tying the games together. But the Book of Mudora is far from official and i'm sure he'd tell you straight up himself to not take his writing so seriously.

[world_trecker]

Allright I guess you convince me, I did get it from there, but where else are you going to get this kind of info? Anyways about the T of the Gods. Thinking that it was contained in a bubble, not being tuched by water, why does the tower rise spewing water from the base to the top? I suerlly dont think its in a bubble if its spewing water. And dont take the writing so harshly.

[MikePetersSucks]

I did get it from there, but where else are you going to get this kind of info?

The games, interviews, anything not written by a dude who lives with his mom?

why does the tower rise spewing water from the base to the top?

It's in a bubble like the Kingdom of Hyrule, then it rises up through the SEA, then finally reaches a surface. Not that hard.

[dentaiko]

God Dammit people. It's a VIDEO GAME! It doesn't have to make sense.

Like someone said before, trying to use logic in a fantasy setting is pointless. Which is also the biggest problem with all these timeline theories. There is no single overriding Zelda universe in which everything ever conceived will be explaind and justified. Miyamoto has said that although there is a 'timeline', he doesn't neccessarily consider this when making a game. So why would every little detail have to 'add up' in some ellaborate attempt to justify events in a video game using real world rules and methods?

I don't hear anyone asking "Wait a minute...How does Link carry all that stuff!?", but for some reason, people keep asking "OMFG! What order do the games go in?!" and "OMFG! Do the maps line up?"

It might surprise some of you, but IT'S NOT ACTUALLY REAL.

[Showsni]

It's just an exercise in logic and debate... It's fun to argue over the intricacies. We don't think it's real, or even necessarily that one perfect timeline exists/was ever intended to exist.

[mohammedali]

God Dammit people. It's a VIDEO GAME! It doesn't have to make sense.

Like someone said before, trying to use logic in a fantasy setting is pointless. Which is also the biggest problem with all these timeline theories. There is no single overriding Zelda universe in which everything ever conceived will be explaind and justified. Miyamoto has said that although there is a 'timeline', he doesn't neccessarily consider this when making a game. So why would every little detail have to 'add up' in some ellaborate attempt to justify events in a video game using real world rules and methods?  

I don't hear anyone asking "Wait a minute...How does Link carry all that stuff!?", but for some reason, people keep asking "OMFG! What order do the games go in?!" and "OMFG! Do the maps line up?"

It might surprise some of you, but IT'S NOT ACTUALLY REAL.

You're posting in a "Zelda Storyline" forum. If you don't want to hear timeline theories and the like, then you're in the wrong place. This is where people discuss these things. It's not like it's being discussed in a news forum where it might seem odd. As Showsni said, people like to talk about this and theorise. Hence, if it upsets you then ignore the thread or the board altogether. No one is forcing you to be a member of this forum.

Mohammed Ali

[dcLx]

I do say How Does Link Carry all that Stuff....And like I said I think this topic has to do with Fanboys coming up with own theories

[dentaiko]

I do say How Does Link Carry all that Stuff....

Awesome.:cool:

You're posting in a "Zelda Storyline" forum.

Really? I thought I must've stumbled upon the "Let's Make Up Stuff About Zelda That Is Totally What Must Have Happened Because We Say So" forum. My mistake.

Or perhaps they should rename it the "Zelda Storyline Speculation" forum?

If you don't want to hear timeline theories and the like, then you're in the wrong place. This is where people discuss these things. It' not like it's being discussed in a news forum where it might seem odd. As Showsni said, people like to talk about this and theorise. Hence, if it upsets you then ignore the thread or the board altogether. No one is forcing you to be a member of this forum.

There's nothing wrong with discussing these things, I enjoy hearing people's theories, when they're backed up, it's just the extent that some people go to to justify things they 'think' they've just 'discovered'.

I like that Deku_Link supplied some evidence for his ideas. He makes a good point that can be backed up a little. But it's the people who just plain make stuff up and decide that it 'must have been what happened'. Sheesh.

Also, get over it.

[Showsni]

I do say How Does Link Carry all that Stuff....

As in the cartoons, stuff shrinks down to fit inside a magic pouch.

And like I said I think this topic has to do with Fanboys coming up with own theories

Your point?