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[world_trecker]

Anyways lets get back on track. Ok... so OoT was first and then the rest, and then you said that if TWW is last...well i'll tell you something I've heard, and it's spreading rapidly. Ahem...this is not a TWP spoiler, so if any mods think so please delete, but I think all Zelda fans should know the best. Ahem... they are saying that in late 2005, a new Legend of Zelda Game will come out, featuring Link and Tetra finding the new Hyrule, after King Nohanese Hyrule drowned himself with grief... Speaking of which... is'nt the king of Hyrule in OoT the same from the WWR. If it is, how could a king last for thousands of years after the creation of Hyrule...?!?

[Mystic Kitsune]

World_Trecker, that celebration is during the Adult Link's time, but since youre traveling back in time, youre not there to enjoy it...

EDIT: Oh, the king mustve lived very long due to...i dont know...his magic i guess...im serious though, the game designers dont want you to bother trying to figure it out...

[world_trecker]

Bahhumbug...they wouldent mind kitsune, I'm just triying to learn Hyrules history.

[mohammedali]

Bahhumbug...they wouldent mind kitsune, I'm just triying to learn Hyrules history.

There's no proof that the King in WW is the same as the one in OoT. Though it's clear he's been around for a long time, as he was there when Hyrule was flooded, and that was centuries before WW.

Mohammed Ali

[Mystic Kitsune]

And, wouldnt the King of Hyrule died in OoT after Ganon took over?

[D~N]

okay....well, i think TP will explain this. They said it'll go inbetween OoT and WW, so it'll fill our missing gap, and perhaps explain the whole "alive king" senario. Normally i'd say "lets wait for the game and see," however, nintendo chose to move the release date back *twitch* *wince*

so...uhhh... ^^;;;;;; *runs away for lack of knowledge*

[Doopliss]

And, wouldnt the King of Hyrule died in OoT after Ganon took over?

No, apparently he isn't dead, because there's a sing that says that the waterfall from Zora's Fountain will stop flowing when the king dies, but it still flows when Link is an adult.

[MikePetersSucks]

Why would the fountain stop flowing with the death of a mortal monarch? It's probably just a superstition or myth like how the world will supposedly be destroyed in 1999 or when all the Egyptian Temples fall or that Jesus died for our sins.

[Hero of Slime]

I don't think that TWW's king is the same as the king from OoT. The flood probably happend many years after OoT's ending.

[mohammedali]

I don't think that TWW's king is the same as the king from OoT. The flood probably happend many years after OoT's ending.

I agree. To have them as the same King is unlikely. When does it say the flood was again? It doesn't specify a time does it.

Mohammed Ali

[Hana-Nezumi]

It probably isn't the same king. It would have to be a long enough period of time for Ganondorf to be able to break the seal and cause the great flood. Also, TP would have to happen during the King's lifetime and the geography of Hyrule would have to change drastically to what it is in under the sea in WW.

[D~N]

@mohammedali....
the flood has to happen in the OoT era, because the people expected the hero to return to save them (as in Wind Waker's opening)

[MikePetersSucks]

I always thought of the celebration as a metaphor or something.

[Hero of Slime]

Malon is defiantly an adult during the end credits. The credits make more sence if they are happening in the future because that is when Ganon is defeated.

[world_trecker]

Malon might have been a young person, but ruto was an adult because she was a sage trapped in time. You saw the rest of the sages up the moutain top. Their just spirits. Plus heres one comparison I found in TWW. In the Forsaken Fortress, there is a huge pot,of soup similar to the one in the Gerudo Fortress, and the weapons that the big huge pig monsters use are the same staffs that the gerudo guards use. Can that explain why Ganondorf was there? Is that the native grounds of the Gerudo Fortress? Well theres still more investigating, but that was an obvious thing I saw when I was playing.

[Fyxe]

@mohammedali....
the flood has to happen in the OoT era, because the people expected the hero to return to save them (as in Wind Waker's opening)

Not necessarily, the Hero of Time became legend so it's not out of the realm of possiblity for the people of Hyrule to expect the hero to return when Hyrule is next in danger. Remember, from everyone's perspective, the hero appeared from nowhere by travelling through time.

world_trecker, I can't believe you said 'huge big pig monsters'...

MOBLINS. Damnit.

And the celebration at the end of OoT was in the future, Malon was an adult, and the sages were not just spirits, they were returning to Hyrule. That's the whole point, we see Mido and the Zora King looking sad, but then we see that Saria and Ruto are returning so it's all a big happy ending. They looked pretty dang solid at the end, anyway.

You've just watched Return of the Jedi too much or something.

[Hana-Nezumi]

And the celebration at the end of OoT was in the future, Malon was an adult, and the sages were not just spirits, they were returning to Hyrule.  That's the whole point, we see Mido and the Zora King looking sad, but then we see that Saria and Ruto are returning so it's all a big happy ending.  They looked pretty dang solid at the end, anyway.

Oooh! I always thought the reason they were watching Hyrule at from Death Mountain was becuase they were sages, so the have to keep their distance from all the other people or something like that. But it makes more sense that they were returning. Then King Zora and Mido can be happy! :D

[Fyxe]

Well, it MAY be that they're just watching over them, that's possible, but there's something about it that suggests they're returning. I think it's down to how cheerful they look. Saria riding on Darunia certainly doesn't seem a very 'sagely' thing to do.

It's also much happier for Mido and the Zora King if they return, and to be honest I don't see any reason why they can't return.

[Showsni]

Then why do they go to Death Mountain? Wait - this helps my timeline theory! There's another entrance to the Sacred realm on Death Mountain.

Umm... didn't this start off as a geogaphy debate? In which case, it's important to remember that Zelda doesn't rule the whole of Hyrule in LoZ.

[Fyxe]

They go to Death Mountain presumably for two reasons...

1 - They're coming down from high up, so it makes sense that they land somewhere high.

2 - Dramatic effect. It looks pretty. Same reason you see Link and Zelda's final conversation in that weird 'floating in the sky' place.

Plus it's not very sagely to appear in the middle of the party and go TA DAAAAH. Nah, mystical sages land on mountaintops, not in the middle of some field.

[world_trecker]

Ha ha verry funny,but It does show proof a bit, because, the Forsaken Fortress does have some characteristics, and the wepons that the moblins use, their the same as the Gerudo wepons. So why wouldent that be proof. I mean Ganondorf is a Gerudo himself, so wouldent he give the same weapons to the moblins, and wouldent he take some of the things to remind him of home. He has been in prison for many years.

[dcLx]

Are you guys all remembering that TWW is hundreds of years after OoT

[Tri-Enforcer]

I haven't really followed this thread, but I just wanted to add that the temples in the TWW are actually mointain top entrances to temples below in ancient (and submerged) Hyrule.

[world_trecker]

So if the secondary entrances are on the mountaintops, then that must mean that the death mountain area must be around. You know they do have a goron merchant in TWW, but people don't know who they are and what they are doing there. If there are gorons there, and since the secondary temple entrances are on the top, that must REALLY meand Death Mountain is around. Probably they are merchants, cause they had to flee and became poor so had to earn their own ruppies. Plus, since they where rock creatures themselves they couldent have died underwater.

[Fyxe]

No, Gorons and water just don't mix. Falling into water is very bad as a Goron, as we see in Majora's Mask. They've very heavy and can't swim very well so they'll easily drown. So it makes sense that few Gorons survive in the new world. Maybe they've already moved away to a safer land, and those that you see on the Great Sea are merchants from that land. That works.

As for Death Mountain, the similarities between Dragon Roost Island and Death Mountain are clear.

[Doopliss]

Why would the fountain stop flowing with the death of a mortal monarch? It's probably just a superstition or myth like how the world will supposedly be destroyed in 1999 or when all the Egyptian Temples fall or that Jesus died for our sins.

Mhh, but those things are supposed to happen in the Zelda universe, especially if it's written in a sign.

[MikePetersSucks]

 
And the award for most n00bish answers goes to...

That is officially the dumbest thing i have ever heard, Ganondorf taking stuff to remind him of home  bullsh*t

Like you're one to talk about n00bish bullshit, Ass. Who are you to judge?

Whats the point of living... if you dont have a dick?  
     

I should also be commenting on this as well, but everyone else can draw their own conclusions of it's meaning.

Mhh, but those things are supposed to happen in the Zelda universe, especially if it's written in a sign.

True, but there's always a reason for it anyway, and the fact that it doesn't come true should tell ya something.