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[Fyxe]

But it will consolidate all your storyline woes into one managable monthly payment.

[martinDTanderson]

http://www.gameinformer.com/News/Story/200....1915.59084.htm

BB: That’s something that, you (Bill Trinen – Localization Team) and I have talked about with the release of the Zelda compilation disc, cleaning up some of the spellings like Ganon, and making sure everything is cohesive. Maybe that’s an American thing – us wanting to know how it all works together. I guess that leads me to my next questions. How do the Links in The Four Swords Adventure relate to the overall story line? Or is it just a subchapter or something like that?

EA: The GBA Four Swords Zelda is what we’re thinking as the oldest tale in the Zelda timeline. With this one on the GameCube being a sequel to that, and taking place sometime after that.

This is an interview last year with Eiji talking FSA. He claims that FS was the oldest tale in the timeline. Now, tMC wasn't released at the time. Since we know that tMC is a prequel to both Four Sword games, tMC and FS are the official two first games in the timeline. Is FSA directly after, or is OoT?

I seperate the Four Swords game into their own timeline, saves the bother, with OoT as the first in the proper timeline...

[Doopliss]

Zythe, how can FSA go after TWW if the Dark World was surely destroyed after TWW? Remember that the Sacred Realm is a reflection of the Triforce's possessor heart, and Ganon did lose the Triforce at the end of TWW.

Oh, yes, plus I think that maps shouldn't be given a lot of importance unless they are the only source that can determine the correct order of an event and that they shouldn't be given more importance than text, because text is more objective and gives more accurate imformation most of the time. More relevant elements such as main characters and the Triforce should be paid more attention in my opinion.

[Hero of Slime]

Ganon never had the whole triforce during WW.

[31-Year-Old-From-Georgia]

Zythe, how can FSA go after TWW if the Dark World was surely destroyed after TWW? Remember that the Sacred Realm is a reflection of the Triforce's possessor heart, and Ganon did lose the Triforce at the end of TWW.

Since when? Besides, a lot of people think FSA was the IW, and the Sacred Realm was turned into Dark World then.

[Doopliss]

What I meant is that in TWW the king wished on the Triforce, so the Sacred Realm stopped being Ganondorf's heart relflection and it became the king's. Sorry for the other comment, but I just finished my final exams and I'm not completely awake, plus I'm ill.

[Doopliss]

What I meant is that in TWW the king wished on the Triforce, so the Sacred Realm stopped being Ganondorf's heart relflection and it became the king's. Sorry for the other comment, but I just finished my final exams and I'm not completely awake, plus I'm ill.

[Hero of Slime]

Then the dark world would not be destroyed. It would be changed to reflect the king's heart. The Dark world in FSA must reflect the heart of the person who holds the triforce during FSA.

[Doopliss]

But in ALttP the Trifroce says that the Dark World that Ganon created because of his wish was destroyed, then, why wouldn't the same happen in TWW? At the end of both games the Triforce gets a new master.

[Vazor]

Actually, at the end of WW, the Triforce splits without gaining a new owner, so there's no reason the SR would have to change. I say that the SR was the Dark World all the way from the end of OoT to the end of LTTP (with FSA falling somwhere between, of course).

[Hero of Slime]

When the Triforce said the Dark World would be Destroyed it could have meant that the Dark World Ganon created would be changed to a world reflecting Link's Heart.

[Doopliss]

Vazor20X6, when Ganondorf touched the Triforce in OoT it split and the Sacred Realm turned into the Dark World.

The Zol, that's the same I think, and I'm sure you also agree in the Sacred Realm stopping from being the Dark World.

[Hero of Slime]

I do think the Sacred realm changed at the end of WW. But it could have changed back to the Dark World before FSA if someone with a dark heart found the Triforce.

[SOAP]

The thing about dark world in FSA is that it wasn't particularly dark. Well, not evil at least.

Also, I thought it was confirmed in another debate that it was Ganon's wish on the Triforce that made it caused the Sacred Realm to change, not something that happens whenever someone enters it.

[Doopliss]

Oh, well Mario Jr, what about the woods?

[SOAP]

That's what I didn't get about the Lost Woods in FSA. Both the normal and "dark" version of it looked about the same level of evilness to me--which wasn't that evil at all.

[Doopliss]

I would describe it evil anyway, but still in process of corruption. Why would it absorb the children? Plus, the transformation wouldn't have been so quickly, Ganon's minions would need some time to invade all the world.

[Fyxe]

Looked fairly evil and dark to me. They looked like Skull Woods, after all. Maybe slightly less extreme, but not much.

Kakariko was becoming the Village of Outcasts, until Link showed up. And the Dark Temple (Dark Palace) requires no explanation, but just remember that it actually used to be a Light Temple.

Many other sections of the Dark World in the game weren't that dark, you're right, but for the most part they were desolate and very warped. It's also the only place you can fight some of the more monsterous enemies, like Stalfos.

[Doopliss]

It's logical to say that all the games in which Hyrule appears occur in the "same Hyrule" with the exception of AoL because of the flood and the similarities of the maps which only have some mayor differences that can be ignored most of the cases because of all the problems that Hyrule's hystory suffers and the magic that surrounds it.

[SOAP]

Well the Temple of Darkness didn't seem particularly scary to me. I mean, yeah, at the entrance I was like "Oh crap! I'm not supposed to be here." But once inside I was like, "Meh."

[Fyxe]

I think you'd have a different opinion if you were actually there.

It was creepier than the Snes one anyway, and I think the creepiness of the Shadow Temple (same dungeon, really) was overrated.

Besides, the Dark World was never particularly scary.

[Fatgoron]

Perhaps the Triforce has to be wished upon within the sacred realm for the changes to take effect?
That, or the changes being gradual, rather than immediate could explain those things.
The DW of FSA could then be the result of the King's wish, but it has taken whatever amount of time for it to get to the point where it's only slightly evil looking, instead of being entirely so.

I am intrigued by the existence of the Dark World in FSA though, since the game has, apparently, nothing to do with the triforce. There's no explanation given as to why it is as it appears, it's just there for the most part. Since I'm tired, all I can remember about it, is that mages go there because they like to practise their spells, and those moon pearls allow one to travel there. IIRC the gates had been opening only recently, yet the basts leave us wondering what caused them. Obviously they don't want us to think Ganon has his finger in that particular pudding, but he seems to be the only thing who could have done so. Yet again they leave us wondering about the mean by which it is achieved.

Also, Damn if it doesn't reek of the IW, in part at least. The mages are flocking to the DW, and there is an army of monsters inhabiting it. Then again, it's more than likely a coincidence, since Nintendo seem to have dropped the IW story with the recent iteration of alttP on GBA.

Someone remember something. Since I can't right now.

[SOAP]

No, no. There are quotes in the game that seem to suggest the Sacred Realm changed specifically because of Ganon's wish, which was "to rule the world." But he was gipped and got a copy, hence Dark World.

I don't know why Dark World is in FSA either but I'm speculating it may have something to do with dark barriers that littered the landscape.

And what do you mean the IW was dropped in the ALttP remake? Tell me thta's not true.

[Fyxe]

It's not true. The plot of ALttP is virtually unchanged, they just changed 'wise men' to Sages.

While FSA does have some similarities to the IW, that's more to do with it just having similarities to [img]http://forums.legendsalliance.com/public/ALOT.png[/img] of other Zelda games in general. It's still less consistent with the IW than OoT is, and OoT seems to have been intended to be a recount of the IW.

I don't remember anything saying that mages go to the Dark World regularly to practice their spells, but the DW certainly seemed different from the one we know, at least at first... Until the area of the map called the Dark World showed up. That whole region is meant to be the Dark World sort of spreading to the Light World, consuming it, and it looks much more like the DW we know. I think the main reason the DW you travel to in the game doesn't look that, well, dark is mainly due to the way that it only appears on the GBA. On single player they make up for that by making it all wavy and weird.

I'm pretty sure Ganon is the key to opening up the Dark World. All the Deku Scrubs were on about Ganon bringing about darkness, after all, and I think somewhere they practically just say it was Ganon's doing.

[SOAP]

Phew!

*wipes sweat off his brow*

FSA may not be the IW but it certianly borrows off ALttP's backstory, what with the Knights of Hyrule and all. But the Knights of Hyrule are already long dead so could be anywhere around ALttP. I prefer after for no reason at all. Also, I don't see FSA mooching off other games other than maybe TWW.

I do remember the srubs mentioning ganon bringing about Darekness and it he could be the one who created the Dark World, or at least he was manipulating Vaati into doing it for him. with the Dark Barriers. But then again why go to the trouble of creating a Dark World when it's always been Light World that he's been lusting for all years. I just assumed it's already existed prior to FSA (probably ever since Ganon's wish in ALttP's bs) and Ganon was trying to change the normal world into Dark World, possibly via the Dark Barriers, which we see actually happens to the Forest of Light.

I also remember the mages going into dark world to practice magic as well. But my memory is fuzzy on thta part.

[Fyxe]

He's lusted after the Light World, but that's because, yes, he wants to turn it into something like the Dark World. See OoT's future, where he's getting close to succeeding.

[SOAP]

Yes, I can see that. But why go and create a dark world out of the sacred realm intentionally? Especially since ALttP that's clearly not what he wanted.

[Fyxe]

I'm confused. Lets look at this carefully...

The origin of the Dark World was due, it appears, to Ganondorf entering the Sacred Realm and getting his mitts on the Triforce. The Sacred Realm became the 'Evil Realm', we don't know how long it took, but this Dark World, according to OoT, appeared sometime during the seven years Link was imprisoned. This Dark World we later see is closely tied with Hyrule. Ganon rules it, and that's part of his wish already answered. But the Dark World is an enclosed space, and he's still trapped within it; he wants Hyrule, and almost certainly the lands beyond.

But the Dark World is closely tied to Hyrule, the Light World, and changing one can affect the other. The Dark World is a shadowy version of Hyrule. So, in FSA, when Ganon begins his plan to attack Hyrule, part of the kingdom (specifically the area where the Dark Mirror is kept) becomes consumed by part of the Dark World, and the connection between each world becomes more than just links with portals, whole areas become consumed by it.

Basically he wants to turn Hyrule into a world like the Dark World, so it can be a true dark world, instead of the enclosed 'mirror' of Hyrule he was trapped within. From there, he can go on to 'rule the cosmos', as one of the Dark World trees says.

[Zythe]

So the resolution the argument is... "it doesn't really matter because FSA has to after FS anyway"?

[Crazy Penguin]

Yes, I can see that. But why go and create a dark world out of the sacred realm intentionally? Especially since ALttP that's clearly not what he wanted.

Why would Ganon not want to conquer the Sacred Realm given the chance? Infact, we're told that simply his presence there made it become the Evil Realm (aka Dark World aka Dark Realm).

If you would seek the sacred
triangle, listen well...
The resting place of the sacred
triangle, the Sacred Realm, is a
mirror that reflects what is
in the heart...
the heart of one who enters it...
If an evil heart, the Realm will
become full of evil; if pure,
the Realm will become a paradise.

And that after obtaining the Triforce he did indeed invade it.

Your spirit remained in the Sacred
Realm...and then the Triforce fell  
into Ganondorf's hands. He went
on to invade the Sacred Realm...
Ganondorf had become the Evil
King, and the Sacred Realm
became a world of evil.

And became its emperor.

His name is...Ganon...  He... who obtained the power of the gods, attempted to cover the land in darkness and was ultimately sealed away by the very power he hoped to command. He is the very same Ganon... The emperor of the dark realm the ancient legends speak of...

http://forums.legend...read.php?t=4523

I don't remember anything saying that mages go to the Dark World regularly to practice their spells, but the DW certainly seemed different from the one we know, at least at first... Until the area of the map called the Dark World showed up. That whole region is meant to be the Dark World sort of spreading to the Light World, consuming it, and it looks much more like the DW we know. I think the main reason the DW you travel to in the game doesn't look that, well, dark is mainly due to the way that it only appears on the GBA. On single player they make up for that by making it all wavy and weird.

Zethar-II was kind enough to shed some light on this.

http://forums.legend...read.php?t=4523

It seems that Dark World, Evil Realm and Dark Realm are all different translations of the same Japanese name for the tainted Sacred Realm, but the 5th leve in FSA is a different Japanese phrase that means "World of Darkness" in a different sense.

The Dark Realm in FSA seems to work almost exactly like it does in LttP...just not as scary. Perhaps this is because Ganon was no longer present in it for a long time (in FSA Ganondorf was a member of the Gerudo in Hyrule and the trident was hidden away in the pyramid in Hyrule) whereas many other normal (presumabley good) people found their way into it, making it a nicer place.

This does beg the question of why people didn't change form like in LttP, but this can also be asked of OoT when Link, Navi, the Sages and Ganondorf enter the Sacred Realm. Perhaps the Moon Gates, opened by the Moon Pearls, prevent the transformation, but that still doesn't explain the non-transformations in OoT.