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[Fyxe]

Though you fufilled the Hyrulian prophecy of the Legendary Hero and destroyed
the evil tyrant Ganon, the land of Hyrule enjoyed only a precarious peace. "Who
knows what threats may arise from Ganon's ashes?"

You think no ashes were left from that big bugger explosion? Besides, it's just a figure of speech and knowing the localisation team behind ALttP and LA, the use of the word 'ashes' wasn't probably even in the Japanese version.

It's just a figure of speech, anyway. Not a referance to AoL. If LA WAS referancing AoL, it would of mentioned the Triforce of Courage.

I don't know why people think it occurs after AoL. It was even clear at the time of release that it was a sequel to ALttP. Remember, back then there had been only four games. They made one, they made a sequel, then they went and made a prequel and then they made a sequel for that. Just like they did with OoT and MM. There's no difference. Why would they make it a sequel to AoL anyway? That would just screw with the fans who had only just discovered the series.

There are plenty of in-game things that imply it's a sequel too, like the appearance of Agahnim and Ganon with his trident as Nightmares.

[martinDTanderson]

You think no ashes were left from that big bugger explosion? Besides, it's just a figure of speech and knowing the localisation team behind ALttP and LA, the use of the word 'ashes' wasn't probably even in the Japanese version.

It's just a figure of speech, anyway. Not a referance to AoL. If LA WAS referancing AoL, it would of mentioned the Triforce of Courage.

I don't know why people think it occurs after AoL. It was even clear at the time of release that it was a sequel to ALttP. Remember, back then there had been only four games. They made one, they made a sequel, then they went and made a prequel and then they made a sequel for that. Just like they did with OoT and MM. There's no difference. Why would they make it a sequel to AoL anyway? That would just screw with the fans who had only just discovered the series.

There are plenty of in-game things that imply it's a sequel too, like the appearance of Agahnim and Ganon with his trident as Nightmares.

At time of release, there may be an intention for an order, but how many times have they re-arranged their own timelines.

Every new release, requires a re-think of how games should be ordered...

Vaati's killed in TMC. How can he become freed from the sword in FS? Also, Ganon is dead before OoA? Explain.

We don't know if he was killed, he just exploded, his spirit could remain, and as for Ganon, I suggest that the Evil that was destroyed by the Hero of Men was the original Ganon for that timeline, hence Zelda's remark about Ganon being an ancient evil reborn, and it is Vatti's use of the Trident of Darkness, that made Ganon's revival possible, where Twinrova Failed.

You haven't put the Four Swords backstory anywhere.

I was under the belief that Minish Cap, was Four Sword's Backstory, along with a possible Four Swords DS game

I don't think that FS and HA Link are the same at ALL. Oh, and strangely, the Nintendo-made game of the lot: FSA, has a lot more timeline-screwing rammifications.

I don't have much of a view on the different Links, just the events in the Games.

We know for a fact that LttP takes place before the NES games, it says so on the back of the box.

I believe there is some debate with that comparing the Japanese and English boxes, plus I believe the events refered to in the backstory takes place before the NES Games, but not neccessarily the events in the Game itself.

[Zythe]

We don't know if he was killed, he just exploded, his spirit could remain, and as for Ganon, I suggest that the Evil that was destroyed by the Hero of Men was the original Ganon for that timeline, hence Zelda's remark about Ganon being an ancient evil reborn, and it is Vatti's use of the Trident of Darkness, that made Ganon's revival possible, where Twinrova Failed.
 
I was under the belief that Minish Cap, was Four Sword's Backstory, along with a possible Four Swords DS game

Vaati definitely died. Fiery explosion and the like. Link didn't put away the FS either, meaning Vaati had not been prepared for the events of FS. When did Vaati have the Trident?

[martinDTanderson]

Vaati definitely died. Fiery explosion and the like. Link didn't put away the FS either, meaning Vaati had not been prepared for the events of FS. When did Vaati have the Trident?

How can Vaati die in minish cap, and be in Four Swords, and it is confirmed Minish Cap is the start of the Four Swords Saga. Thus he cant be dead...

Well someone Stole the Trident, the Trident was used to revive Ganon, Ganon couldnt of done it, so it must of been Vaati!

I think that makes sense, Give me another explaination if you want...

[Crazy Penguin]

I believe there is some debate with that comparing the Japanese and English boxes, plus I believe the events refered to in the backstory takes place before the NES Games, but not neccessarily the events in the Game itself.

The Japanese box says that the game itself, the game you play and the Link you play as, take place in ancient times before the NES games.

[Zythe]

How can Vaati die in minish cap, and be in Four Swords, and it is confirmed Minish Cap is the start of the Four Swords Saga.  Thus he cant be dead...
 
Well someone Stole the Trident, the Trident was used to revive Ganon, Ganon couldnt of done it, so it must of been Vaati!
 
I think that makes sense, Give me another explaination if you want...

The general opinion across the forums, is that the FSBS is not TMC. Instead, most people assume the FSBS is its own story between TMC and FS.

[HarryHatMan]

Off topic: Its nice to see you back in the swing of things already! Welcome home!

[martinDTanderson]

Well, it may be because I have little respect for Four Swords Adventures, or the Capcom games, and that I still Hold A Link to the Past as the pinicle of Zelda Games.

But this is the way I see the storyline, and make sense of it. A Lot of people got into the series after Ocarina of Time, and while that is not a bad thing at all, I still think there are two classes of Zelda Fans.

[Zythe]

Well, it may be because I have little respect for Four Swords Adventures, or the Capcom games, and that I still Hold A Link to the Past as the pinicle of Zelda Games.
 
But this is the way I see the storyline, and make sense of it.  A Lot of people got into the series after Ocarina of Time, and while that is not a bad thing at all, I still think there are two classes of Zelda Fans.

Same. I don't like the people who got into because of OoT. I got into because of LA!

[HarryHatMan]

Hehe, same here Zyth! What a wonderful game, and so dam hard in places! anyways, back on topic!

[Husse]

WHAT? You don't...like me? *boohoo* J/k..I got into it because of OoT, I mean, that was about the earliest I could....I was eight when it came out.

Anyway, I actually agree that FSA and Oracles have no place in the timeline too...call me an idjit, but they're hard to place! Okay, MAYBE FSA has a place, but NOT Oracles. I didn't even like playing it...Capcom crap...

And how would you define the likes and dislikes of an old-school Zelda freak, and an OoT newbie? *crosses arms* I think we're just about on the same plane, only some of us like moronic pixeled story-less LoZ and AoL and some don't.

[Vazor]

And how would you define the likes and dislikes of an old-school Zelda freak, and an OoT newbie? *crosses arms* I think we're just about on the same plane, only some of us like moronic pixeled story-less LoZ and AoL and some don't.

Hey, I started on OoT, and I love the old-school games!

But seriously, you can't just hate all of us who joined the Zelda fanbase because of OoT. I mean, especially since OoT is clearly the best game in the series (with LTTP following close behind...).

[Husse]

Amen...I just don't like LoZ/AoL. Everything else is beautimous...I couldn't stand that old fart...he was the only real character besides the dynamic trio themselves.

[MikePetersSucks]

about the TMC=FSBS thing, it's true that Vaati died, and even if he did live, TMC Link never sealed him. Obviously there's supposed to be another FS game that will power up the Four Sword to meet FS's standards, explain Vaati's ressurection, play out the FSBS, and seal him.

[martinDTanderson]

Well I hope this is FSDS, that fills the gap. Either way, MC must come before FS

[MikePetersSucks]

MC must come before FS

yea XD it's like, the whole point of the game's existence.

[mohammedali]

Hey, I started on OoT, and I love the old-school games!

But seriously, you can't just hate all of us who joined the Zelda fanbase because of OoT.  I mean, especially since OoT is clearly the best game in the series (with LTTP following close behind...).

Naa, its not those that started with OoT that are annoying, but those that think OoT is the 'original' Zelda game. Go to IGN Boards, and all you find is n00bs talking about WW not being like the 'classic' Zelda, in reference to OoT. I mean WTF?

If you're someone who started with OoT, but played and enjoyed the older games, then you have my respect. Its understandable that not everyone was around when pre-OoT games were released, and even if they were it doesn't mean they were all instantly fans. I still have my copy of LoZ with the gold case, and I still haven't completed it, aLttP was the first game I really got into Zelda from. Definatly the best in the series along with OoT.

Mohammed Ali

[Vazor]

Naa, its not those that started with OoT that are annoying, but those that think OoT is the 'original' Zelda game. Go to IGN Boards, and all you find is n00bs talking about WW not being like the 'classic' Zelda, in reference to OoT. I mean WTF?

Oooh. Never mind then. Besides, those people don't count as fans. They're just hopeless n00bs. Not even n00bs. Nubs. Nublets even.

[Fyxe]

Nublets. Haha. Stolen.

[MK.]

like it or not everyone, I agree with martinDTanderson.

I consider the Gameboy Games not part of the "Zelda Universe" I spend so much of my life playing, enjoying, and researching...

[Fyxe]

You mean Link's Awakening isn't part of the 'Zelda Universe'?

Why, exactly?

I'm beginning to think the idea of canon is being lost in personal opinion. You can't just say a game isn't part of the series if you don't like how it fits in your own little timeline or whatever.

I don't see any valid reason why the Capcom games *shouldn't* be part of the normal Zelda timeline or series. They do appear to have links with other games in the series. They were very good games, maybe they're not your personal favourites, but nobody says AoL isn't part of the Zelda series because they don't like the gameplay or the overall style of the game.

[D~N]

hmm, what did I start with? Oh yeah! LoZ, what a good game. But back then, I was young and didn't know it was a 'series', so i just played it to stab baddies . After I couldn't beat AoL, I gave up on zelda *shame!!*, but when I played OoT, I realized, 'hey, I know this game, this is the LoZ series!' Then I went back to play all the loz games, and here i am today.

Back on topic: the seperation is not a bad thing, but I doubt that's what the creators intended (same applies to a split timeline,) but it works out in the end, so Hurray!!!

[Fyxe]

Well damn, any timeline works if you IGNORE games in the series.

Tell you what, I think the highlight of the series was A Link To The Past. Why don't I ignore all the later games in the series? They don't count.

My timeline is therefore ALttP, TLoZ, AoL. Virtually no plotholes, it's perfect. It works!!

...Bleh. See m'point?

[Chaltab]

Tell you what, I think the highlight of the series was A Link To The Past. Why don't I ignore all the later games in the series? They don't count.

My timeline is therefore ALttP, TLoZ, AoL. Virtually no plotholes, it's perfect. It works!!

...Bleh. See m'point?

But he's not really ignoring them per se, just making them a Gaiden Timline. You know how the Japanese love their cursed confusing gaidens. (The same could be said of American comic book fans as well, but at least the restarts retain the original's story for the most part)

[Hylian Diety]

O.O

Do my eyes betray me, or is mDTa* back??? Nice to see you back on the boards pal!

As for your new idea, I agree that after Capcom got involved, the timeline got all screwy. Die-hard old-school fans would love to say that Capcom's involment has screwed everything up, and I would have to agree. I do tend to find myself constantly ignoring FS and FSA regarding the timeline, simply because I hate them. But MC and Oracles kinda fit, and it's not cool to pick and choose your data for your timelines, so I accept all of them in my timelines. I just don't know where to place them because I know nothing about them. So as much as I'd like to agree with you, I don't.

Not to mention I'm still a single-timeline fanatic, and my timeline stands as is:

MC - OoT - MM - Z05? - WW - LoZ - AoL - LA - Oracles - ALttP (with FS and FSA somewhere that I don't care about)

I dunno. I think you used to follow something similar once upon a time, if I remember correctly, but I may be wrong. Anywho, it's nice seeing you around again man. Stick around a bit if you can. A new (yet old) point of view is rather refreshing. Especially with all the talk of the new game.

[MikePetersSucks]

Oooh. Never mind then. Besides, those people don't count as fans. They're just hopeless n00bs. Not even n00bs. Nubs. Nublets even.

Coming soon to a town near you. The all new Chicken McNublets.

[Fyxe]

Whether you like the ending or not doesn't cut it. It IS the ending, almost certainly. Personal opinion does not apply. And this is where you've kind of lost me, Kishi, because the Oracle games do not necessarily have to occur after AoL. They may occur centuries after ALttP/LA.

If you want Tanaka, you can count Zelda Game & Watch as canon and THAT can be the ending. >.>

[Zythe]

^ Or even the cartoons