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[Chukchi Husky]

There is music far worse than rap, everything I listen to is complete rubbish compared to rap...

[Oberon Storm]

If you don't like rap, then you don't like rap. Nothing I can do about it. But I only ask that the entire genre be degraded based on what is mainstream. It would be like me saying any game sharing the same genre with Zelda sucks merely because Zelda sucks.

Note: I am well aware of the number of Zelda fans here. I am in no way saying Zelda actually sucks.

[Khuffie]

Why?  Who knows.  XP

I know why. They're fucking morons. Period. Er, I mean Steve.

It would be like me saying any game sharing the same genre with Zelda sucks merely because Zelda sucks.

HE SAID ZELDA SUCKS! LYNCH MOB HIM EVERYONE!

And I never said all rap sucks. In fact I'm listening to a rap song right now (which ironically points out whats wrong with other rappers )

[Alakhriveion]

Note: I am well aware of the number of Zelda fans here. I am in no way saying Zelda actually sucks.

No, it's like saying all console games suck, just because The Wind Waker does.

[Oberon Storm]

HE SAID ZELDA SUCKS! LYNCH MOB HIM EVERYONE!

*runs*

[Alakhriveion]

*Seals Doors*

[Toan]

And I never said all rap sucks. In fact I'm listening to a rap song right now (which ironically points out whats wrong with other rappers )

Which song, Khuffie?

[Alakhriveion]

Your opinions are wrong. Alak said so.

Back en le topic.

[thabto81]

Pretty much everything I wanted to say was said by someone else Khuffie but I do need to emphasize one thing: it seems you want to denigrate the entirety of rap simply because of what's played in the mainstream. I could not disagree with you more on this subject. Art is art. Whether it requires emotion and concept or if it was simply pulled out of someone's ass, the definition of art is not for you to decide. All that's necessary for art to be art is for someone to have taken the time to create it. Everything else that comes after, including interpretation, is completely subjective. I hope that we can at least agree on that.

[Goose]

Music/art/writing is all one thing, a person creating a message and releasing it in different ways. People may interpret that message differently, and come up with something completely different.

Example

We, on this forum, write to get our messages across. Its a basic form of communication that we can all identify with. Other people however, do things differently. They communicate through their art, it doesn't matter how old or new it is, its still a message that they were trying to get across. Its wether we understand that message is what counts. Other people do this through music.

There is a song I heard last night, it was by Bob Dylan. It was probably the most poerful song i have ever heard. It was about the paper pushers that send the young men in to war and die, while they stay at home in their nice comfy houses. Bob Dylan is one of the masters of his art, and his message was being blunt, yet he got his message across.

Rap is just another way of getting that message across. So is rock, so is farting on a piece of paper and then hanging it up in an art gallery. The quality of the message has nothing to do with the medium used to get it across, just the person delivering it.

Art is just that, a person trying to get a message across. Which is communication, and the degree I shall be starting to study in two weeks.

[Khuffie]

Art is art. Whether it requires emotion and concept or if it was simply pulled out of someone's ass, the definition of art is not for you to decide. All that's necessary for art to be art is for someone to have taken the time to create it. Everything else that comes after, including interpretation, is completely subjective. I hope that we can at least agree on that.

I also take time to create my shit. Usually takes me about 10 minutes in the bathroom, not to mention the 3-4 hours it takes the food to digest in my body.

And if you think I'm kidding, I recall an 'artist' (and I lose that term sarcastically), actually having an 'art performance' in which she shit in front of a bunch of people. And called it art. It was titled "My Turd". People liked it. Thought it was 'deep' and touched on post-modern concepts. And lalalalala.

Having such a loose interpretation of art leads to people hanging empty canvases in a gallery art, or a bunch of foam cubes, or a bunch of wires hanging from the ceiling. None of which have any meaning that can be interpreted from them unless you read a fucking artists statement, and 99.99% of people (ie, everyone but the 'artist') simply just nod their heads like they understand so they don't look like fools.

It also leads to people that shake their ass and boobs, or talk about how much sex they have and how big their penis is, to call themselves artists.

Calling mainstream rap 'art' degrades the real art out there. And I don't mean the Mona Lisa or something like that, it degrades rap songs that can actually be called art.

[Alakhriveion]

Calling mainstream rap 'art' degrades the real art out there. And I don't mean the Mona Lisa or something like that, it degrades rap songs that can actually be called art.

Mainstream anything. I just saw the "American Idol" movie... DAMN YOU HBO!

chukchi husky, rubbish? you're music is better than rap. rap is just guys going "i grew up on the street"

and "spank that BLEEP" and yeah, don't correct me. i have heard one that said that over and over again.

Your posts do not contribute. Show more respect, please.

[Alakhriveion]

Me, mostly. Probably the rest of the forum, too, but I don't care as much about that.

Post # 71 is a prime example of non-contributory posts.

[Doopliss]

rap noun a tipe of modern music with a fast strong rythm and words that are spoken fast, not sung
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There you have it HousesofHoly, pwned.

Look at mainstream rap. The popular stuff that makes it into the hit list, the radio stations and the music channels. Apart from Will Smith, I can't think of any rapper who doesn't cuss in virtually every song, doesn't talk about hoes, drugs, partying, bling bling and thugs.

And your comparison is moot. It would have worked if I was making claims that all music is crap and putting it all under the rap genre.

Oh. And I wouldn't call any form of popular music 'art'. Especially not rap music and pop-Britney Spears like music.

Music is culture, are you against it?

Art requires intelligence. It encourages thought and contemplation, or even emotion. Something besides primal urges. There's bad art, and then there's stuff that ranks below my feces in terms of artistic merit. It's still a form of entertainment, and it can be a good one at that, but it's not art.

[size=1]Rap does require intelligence.

[thabto81]

I also take time to create my shit. Usually takes me about 10 minutes in the bathroom, not to mention the 3-4 hours it takes the food to digest in my body.
 
And if you think I'm kidding, I recall an 'artist' (and I lose that term sarcastically), actually having an 'art performance' in which she shit in front of a bunch of people. And called it art. It was titled "My Turd". People liked it. Thought it was 'deep' and touched on post-modern concepts. And lalalalala.
 
Having such a loose interpretation of art leads to people hanging empty canvases in a gallery art, or a bunch of foam cubes, or a bunch of wires hanging from the ceiling. None of which have any meaning that can be interpreted from them unless you read a fucking artists statement, and 99.99% of people (ie, everyone but the 'artist') simply just nod their heads like they understand so they don't look like fools.
 
It also leads to people that shake their ass and boobs, or talk about how much sex they have and how big their penis is, to call themselves artists.
 
 Calling mainstream rap 'art' degrades the real art out there. And I don't mean the Mona Lisa or something like that, it degrades rap songs that can actually be called art.

I've said all I've needed to say on this subject. If you don't like that, tough shit. (And yes, that pun was intended).

[Doopliss]

Very little proof of that. Most rap is just shouting, as Khuff stated. There is some rap with deep lyrics, but I'd still call it poetry.

Doesn't talking require intelligence?

[Alakhriveion]

since when have i been disrepsecting you?

By wasting time with one-line or otherwise irrelevant posts. Cease immediately.

[NoLeafClover]

some people like rap. some don't. end of story. and alakhriveion. you're obviosuly too sensitive. housesofholy wasn't disrespecting you. post 71 wasn't a waste. all the ones of him talking to- you- afterwards were.

so i wont waste my time here anymore

[Doopliss]

New members are always welcome and appreciated, but please, keep in mind that rules need to be followed in order for this to be a place where pacific dialogue can exist. I think everyone would appreciate a lot a little more education from your part.

[Oberon Storm]

I thought registering two names was against the rules anyway.

[Selena]

It is. If someone wants a name change, they request an admin to do it. If you register a second account, you have to have the old one deleted. Otherwise, it's a no-no.

[arunma]

Oops...looks like I skipped town at the wrong time. Good thing we had Alak to clear things up!