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[Vazor]

And yet we feel absolutely no emotional connection to the hero. Oh sure, we're happy when he wins and sad when he loses, but ultimately, the gamer IS the hero, therefore the hero is a reflection of the gamer himself. When something like "the destiny to save the land," or to "destroy the unstoppable evil," is placed upon the gamer, it makes them excited. However, romance is very different from that. It's too mellow a theme, and often complicates things to far too extreme an extent. When you make romance a pivitol point, it distracts from the ultimate mission of the game, and gets the gamer confused, ultimately shattering the plot. The hero of time shouldn't have to go on a side quest to pick up chicks, neh?

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Vazor20X6 said

That wouldn''t be good at all.  WW clearly states that when Hyrule was attacked, Link didn't come back.  If this was a direct sequel to MM, it would make no sense whatsoever.
And come on people, romance was never a part of Zelda.  Zelda's about action, adventure, legends...not love.

Oh c'mon, people! Hasn't it occured to y'all that the evil Link has to fight in Zelda GC 2005 might not be Ganon? So it could be possible for OoT Link to return to Hyrule, just in time to save it from some other evil other than Ganon?

I think it's TWW Link all grown up though. Sure it looks like OoT Link but how many TWW-ish have we had so far that turned out to totally different Links? Either this is a new Link or it's the one from TWW. I think it's the latter. It's just the way he's drawn in the artwork that seems so... whimsical, as if carrying on the wind theme from the Wind Waker.

[Vazor]

It can't be WW Link, 'cause where's all the water? Hyrule couldn't have grown back in the five or so years between the games.
It's definitely a new Link. There's very little doubt in my mind about that. The trailor seemed nothing at all like Ocarina of Time, it looked much more to me like LTTP, mostly from the scene in the forest looking slightly like the Master Sword area in the LTTP lost woods.

[Husse]

Well, regardless, Vazor, you're waiting for someone to throw emotion in your face like some "Final Fantasy."

The character Link DOES have a persona. Compare OoT Link to WW Link. They're two totally different people, and I can tell you just what they each would do different in a different situation.

Let me give you an example of our differences in likes and dislikes here: I hate Kingdom Hearts. Why? The characters are TOO developed. Besides all the pointless broken plot ends, the character Sora is a problem. We got WAY too much of his character, and it comes off real cheesy to me. They talk too darn much in that game, and no emotion or nuance of character is left a mystery or any more deep than a crap puddle.

Sometimes when you're given little or nothing about a character, that deepens who they are. Such is the case with Zelda. You should be able to feel the theme of the story, and the motives of the people in little hints, music, and plot.

Now, this CAN backfire, I know. Take Splinter Cell. We get little or nothing of Fisher, and it doesn't make us like him a whole lot, because what he does is pretty plastic. Link does little interesting things, like help people who hate him, and THEN goes running around killing monsters. That's the difference.

But then again, I'm a story obsessionist. Some people are just timeline obsessionists. It depends on what your focus is when you play games. Most people don't give a rat's rear about story at all, but those people aren't posting here...

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Vazor20X6 said

It can't be WW Link, 'cause where's all the water? Hyrule couldn't have grown back in the five or so years between the games.
It's definitely a new Link. There's very little doubt in my mind about that. The trailor seemed nothing at all like Ocarina of Time, it looked much more to me like LTTP, mostly from the scene in the forest looking slightly like the Master Sword area in the LTTP lost woods.

Just the Kingdom of Hyrule was sunk, not the whole world. There has to be a mainland nearby (North and Eastern Hyrule anyone?). I mean, the people of Windfall have to answer to somebody in some far off castle, town hall, white house SOMETHING! Else, the Pirates would've easily taken over the whole island years ago. Somebody's keeping that place from falling in total anarchy and I doubt it's that rich guy.

[Vazor]

The people of Windfall are peaceful by nature, so there's no need for much government. And there really weren't many pirates in WW, it was mostly just Tetra and her crew.

[SOAP]

I doubt that. Windfall is a trading post, so lots of different people live there, good and bad. Not any different from an average town. I mean even the kokiri answered to the Deku Tree and I think they're a little bit more self-controlled than the Windfall inhabitants. Outset Island is a different story. It's a secluded island with a small, close-nit community. They can get along fine with just the elders surpervising here and there. Windfall has twice the number of people and half the land as Outset. It's gotta take some sort form of Government to keep the people from going hostile on each other.

[Husse]

Reminds me of New York and Montana on a smaller scale.

[Hana-Nezumi]

windfall's government doesn't matter at all. at the end of windwaker, link sails off to find a new hyrule. if this is wind waker link, then the land he is in is probably the new hyrule.

[SOAP]

Doesn't matter!? It doesn't even exist! Even the Rito have a cheiftan and they're just a bunch of mailmen. The King said they made a new country above the waves but it's a country with no rulers or sign of any kind of government whatsoever. How the people of Windfall progressed so far on that tiny patch of the land in the middle of no where, without even the amount of varitable farmland that Outset has is BEYOND me! XP

[Hana-Nezumi]

what i meant was that it doesn't matter on the topic of where this game could be taking place if this link was in fact wind waker link.

[Husse]

There could indeed be another land. WW is not limited only to what we see, MJ.

[Alakhriveion]

Zythe said

So are you hoping you can get something from the Japanese>->Spanish>->English that you couldn't from Japanese>->English?

Japanese -> Spanish is better than Japanese -> Spanish -> English. Although, it doesn't appear to matter, the answere are pretty ambiguous either way. "Possibilities of" my (expletive deleted).

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Husse said

There could indeed be another land. WW is not limited only to what we see, MJ.

That was my point! There has to be another land nearby that governs Windfall at least as some sort of colony or trading post of some sort. This could be a land of normal round-earred humans that interbreeded with the native Hylian islanders who desperately clung to the mountiantops of their former kingdom. Which could explain why there's a mix between pointy-earred folks and round-earred folks in TWW and why Hylians and their culture seemed to fade away later on the games. Obviously Windfall is a foriegn settlement.

[Husse]

Actually, the ears shrunk on their own. The big ears was their trademark, their connection to the Gods, so they could "hear" them, remember? Only few close descendants of the noble or loyal Hylians still have them, few have any connection to the Gods. I'm not so sure that there are other people that the HYLIAN descendants have had contact with, but unexplored land with unmet races? Sure, why not?

[monique]

spoilers ahead

OH COME ON!!! HOW MANY HINTS TO WE ALREADY HAVE???

I mean the NEWEST a link to the past manga is like TOTALLY Zelda x Link from akira himikawa, then Minishcap Zelda has this new attitude and omg Zelda and Link have even an actionfigure where they hold hands. In Oot review it was stated that they kissed in Oot and hugged each other. In the adventure of Link ZELDA EVEN FREAKEN MARRIES THE DUDE!!!!

I REALLY HOPE there will come romance in the game, then this freaken debate is finally over. And hopefully Link and Zelda will make out AND LAUGH AT YOU!
Since it is teenrated maybe there can be more uhm sexual love in it! hehehehe

and Link is not malon's knight in shining armor, where did you read that? Oh that gossipstone? Well it only hinted how Malon is related to PRINCESS PEACH!!!

Link is stated to be Zelda's knight in the a link to the past drama cd disc!

[Vazor]

OK monique, first of all, Link and Zelda did not get married at the end of AoL. She just kissed him. That's all. And in MC, all of that was just for humurous purposes. I found it funny. And the manga...come on, it's a manga! Next thing you know you'll want me to take the SMB Movie as Mario canon.....

Miyamoto and Aonuma will not make romance a major point in this game. They're too good at designing games to make that mistake.

[Zythe]

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In the adventure of Link ZELDA EVEN FREAKEN MARRIES THE DUDE!!!!

WTF. No, they didn't.

Side note: excessive use of shouting capitals are not cool. Try bolding, underlining or putting into italics anything of importance. Or all of the above.

[monique]

wait a second, doesn't it says in the japanese instructionbooklets;

" From a stand, next to the altar where princess Zelda lay sleeping, Impa took one scroll with the same crest (as on Link) and six small crystals and handed them over to Link.
Link, those things have been set aside by my family for many generations, in order to prepare for the next time a great King will come."
doesn't that tells enhough? >_>

You know, it's actually obviously these two were made for eachother.
ever looked at Ssbm? Only Link's fighter stand changed from the rest of the Super smash bros crew. Why that?
Because his precious Princess Zelda was in it! Also Link's and Zelda's fighterstands are made for eachother. Also the same with Sheik!
LOZ is like a fairytale, hero gets the princess

[Vazor]

You're doing way too much speculation (and I feel quallified to say that, being a frequent speculator). A Link x Zelda relationship is pure fanfiction. So it said something about the next great king. Does it say the next great king will be Link? I didn't think so.

Also, that's what, a German poster? Newsflash: the game's from Japan. And posters are just about the most non-canon you can get.

[Selena]

*cough* Romance and romantic drama is only annoying and horrible if it's written poorly. If written well, it can make a story all the more potent.


But then again, Zelda never struck me as the type of game to be all overly dramatic and story driven with a decent amount of characterization. At least, not with individual games. Perhaps that's why I get bored with them easily.


*runs*

[Zythe]

I can't believe you said Zelda has no deep storyline. Ever seen Zelda Storyline? You get bored of them.

*Picks up axe*

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*runs*

You better run!

[Selena]

See, this is why I stay outta the Zelda sections. Heh.




And yes, I can obviously see the Storyline section piecing each individual game and their plots together. But the fact I find the games dull wasn't my main point.

[Hana-Nezumi]

okay, maybe it's zelda and link in other games, but not in OoT! in OoT, it's malon!

[Vazor]

All this fanwanking disgusts me!

There will never be true romance in a Zelda game. Romance ruins most stories, especially games. The day romance becomes the pivitol feature of a Zelda game, I will lick a cat.

And Selena....you've crushed my entire universe today. I hope you're happy. :upset: *cries*

[Hana-Nezumi]

it wouldn't ruin it! it would give link some intuition, like how in ww when link went to save his sister, because he really cared about her.

[Vazor]

I'm not saying that a possible relationship can't be hinted at (God knows OoT and MC did that plenty), I'm just saying that making an obvious relationship with another character in the game, a relationship that is a pivitol point in the game, would be completely un-Zelda-like. Look at WW: he starts out saving his sister, but ends up saving the world for a noble cause. OoT: He starts out saving his father figure, but ends up saving the world for a noble cause. MC: He starts out saving his best friend and ends up saving the world for a noble cause. Link isn't motivated by love for a woman. He never has been. He always saves the day because it's the right thing to do, and it NEVER involves having some chick complicating things throughout the story. Link just isn't meant to have a girl. He's a lone traveler, always looking for where help is needed, never letting selfish desires like love get in his way.

[Hana-Nezumi]

well this could be a different link that isn't a loner. maybe this time it's different. are you saying the creators can't be original?

[Vazor]

I'm saying that the creators are consistant.

And princess-falls-in-love-with-hero is so original.