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[monique]

Okay I'll stop being a rabid ZeldaxLink fan, I still have some Zeldalove hormones in me that wants to fight back. but I'm going to be nice and say. Ah we shall see it in Zelda2005!

[Husse]

Okay, well, monique, I halfway agree with you. LoZ/AoL? Link and Zelda. TWW? Link and Zelda. OoT/MM? No, we don't know, probably a loner, but if anyone, it's not Zelda. LttP/LA, but all LA anyway, was the most romance-filled and there was still hardly anything AND it turns out that Marin and him couldn't be together. Regardless, Link and Zelda fit in some, not all situations. But beyond that, all your shtuff was nooby, no offense.

And Vazor, I almost agree with you too. Romance in a Zelda game would be a great leap if done properly, don't get me wrong, however, I think Link's main goal should never be love, but nobleness, a drive, courage, heroism, destiny, that's what the story's about. Romance should never be the central theme of the story, but some in there, for me, no more than WW, which is the second most romance-filled Zelda besides LoZ/AoL, which were too shallow to count. No more than WW, that's not much.

[Darunia]

Okay, well, monique, I halfway agree with you. LoZ/AoL? Link and Zelda. TWW? Link and Zelda. OoT/MM? No, we don't know, probably a loner, but if anyone, it's not Zelda. LttP/LA, but all LA anyway, was the most romance-filled and there was still hardly anything AND it turns out that Marin and him couldn't be together. Regardless, Link and Zelda fit in some, not all situations. But beyond that, all your shtuff was nooby, no offense.

And Vazor, I almost agree with you too. Romance in a Zelda game would be a great leap if done properly, don't get me wrong, however, I think Link's main goal should never be love, but nobleness, a drive, courage, heroism, destiny, that's what the story's about. Romance should never be the central theme of the story, but some in there, for me, no more than WW, which is the second most romance-filled Zelda besides LoZ/AoL, which were too shallow to count. No more than WW, that's not much.

You just reminded me of something Husse.

LA is just a dream that Link's having, or that's what we, as an audience, are led to believe. In the game, Marin suspiciously resembles Zelda, as Link is even caught second-guessing what he's seeing. As the game progresses, it becomes apparent that there is some chemistry between the two characters, and yet that doesn't ever happen because, as we all know, it was a dream.

Question now is, was Link having a dream where he was saving a land AND dreaming about being with Zelda as well? Or was it just a passing thought?

[Husse]

Well, Marin resembles Malon, so it feeds another theory entirely if you're right.

[Vazor]

I personally don't think Malon and Marin are related at all. Sure they're similar, but that doesn't mean they're the same or reflections of each other. After all, if I know a British person who's named George, does that make them connected to King George III? For all we know, Marin and Malon could just be common names. Just something to think about.

[Darunia]

If I do remember correctly Husse, it was alluded that Zelda was the one he was likening to her. I could be wrong; someone may have to check, cause I dunno about that to be totally honest. Would be interesting to know though...

[garsh]

Vazor, I love how opposed you are to romance in the games. Your protest is both entertaining and refreshing. Personally, I like the games just as they are; nice little hints and humorous flirting, (like with Ruto in Ocarina of Time) but nothing too blatant. This is Zelda, afterall, not Final Fantasy.

But...

It can't be WW Link, 'cause where's all the water?  Hyrule couldn't have grown back in the five or so years between the games.
It's definitely a new Link.  There's very little doubt in my mind about that.  The trailor seemed nothing at all like Ocarina of Time, it looked much more to me like LTTP, mostly from the scene in the forest looking slightly like the Master Sword area in the LTTP lost woods.

While I agree with you that it's almost certainly a new Link, we could definately be wrong. You asked "where's all the water," and one person refuted you by mentioning that only Hyrule the kingdom proper was flooded (how sure are we of that, by the way, I thought it was the whole world) but there's another possibility. Maybe you're forgetting the sea was created in first place by the will of the gods. Let's call it magic. If magic can destroy the land, surely it can create it, just as the goddesses did in the Ocarina of Time myths.

Just a possibility.

[garsh]

Most people don't give a rat's rear about story at all, but those people aren't posting here...

Now they are.

[Husse]

No, Malon and Marin aren't RELATED or PARALLEL, but they are extremely similar. Extremely. In any case, it's not Zelda. And this was Link's dream. Maybe his subconscious threw him some hints about who he likes...not that it matters. This isn't OoT Link, where Malon is a suspect, but anyway.

[SOAP]

If Marin is supposed to be Malon, Link would've said "Malon" instead of mistaking her for "Zelda" instead. Maybe it's just me but Marin looks [img]http://forums.legendsalliance.com/public/ALOT.png[/img] like the ALttP Zelda in her commoner dress, only with wilder red hair and that flower thingy. I guess in the right light one could mistake her for Zelda.

It might be possible that Malon is based off of Marin just like Talon is based off of Tarin who in turn was based off Mario. But if Marin looks like Zelda and Malon looks like Marin then that means... :tombstone

[Vazor]

Gasp!
I've figured it out!
Zelda and Malon are twins and are the children of Mario and Peach! Mario changed his name to Talon when moving to Hyrule and Princess Peach died! It all makes sense now! Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

[Hana-Nezumi]

malon and marin's name differences could be a translation error. in japanese, there is no character for the "l" sound, so they just use the "r" sound. so a japanese name can be translated into english using either "l" or "r". So in japanese Malon is Maron and Talon is Taron.

[Wanchimaera]

When Link wakes up on Koholint, he clearly mistakes Marin for Zelda.
Remember that even if a man and a woman love each other, it doesn't necessarily mean romantic love.

[Hana-Nezumi]

maybe didn't see marin, and he thought it was zelda telepathing him again like in the beggining of lttp.

[monique]

I still believe that Link and Zelda are really made for each other. x_x since Zelda was the first girl in his gamelife who he saved. And I don't think Miyamoto would allow Eiji Aunoma change that!!
The really funky part is, that Zelda and Link both look like each other, not in a brother and sister way but more like >_> japanese way!

[garsh]

Some have theorized that some of the Links and Zeldas are siblings. It's not impossible, and even you pointed out they do look alike.

And just because Link exists to rescue Zelda doesn't necessarily infer that there's a romantic relationship.

Having said that, it seems to me the idea in the original Legend of Zelda was intended suggest a love match between the two, just like Mario and Princess Toadstool in Super Mario Brothers.

Maybe in later games, though, they realized it was more fun if Link can have lots of girls flirting with him and vying for his affection.

Doing things this way apparently succeeded in capturing the attention of some of you here.

[monique]

>_> Mario and Toadstool have a thing you know, they even marry in a comic from Nintendo. v_v Also a lot of Peach quotes states that she's inlove with Mario! But we are here for Zelda and Link. Sibling? I still laugh at that one, the last time Link and Zelda had sibling were the prince in AoL and Aryll in windwaker, if they were sibling they would have state that already a long time ago.
It is also said that Link has Miyamoto's characterism and we all know what Miyamoto likes don't we?

*cough* *cough* Zelda/Link pairing *cough* *cough*

[garsh]

>_> Mario and Toadstool have a thing you know ... a lot of Peach quotes states that she's inlove with Mario!

Yes, I know, that supports what I was saying.

Sibling? I still laugh at that one, the last time Link and Zelda had sibling were the prince in AoL and Aryll in windwaker, if they were sibling they would have state that already a long time ago.

You can't just write if off that easily. I understand it's not likely, and it's probably never the case, but like I said, it's not impossible.

It is also said that Link has Miyamoto's characterism and we all know what Miyamoto likes don't we?      

*cough* *cough* Zelda/Link pairing *cough* *cough*

Is that so? I don't suppose you could quote him on that?

[Husse]

No, she couldn't. She's a n00b.

And don't laugh! I used to believe that theory too, there's just not enough proof. Any affection (in OoT) the two have for each other is more siblingly to me, anyway. Plus, in WW, the pointy-eared ones are supposed to be related to the Royal Family, or knights or something, ones that can still hear the Gods. Link COULD be Zelda's brother in OoT, and have a somewhat "royal" descendant in WW. I personally don't think so, but it is possible.

[monique]

Yes, I know, that supports what I was saying.



You can't just write if off that easily. I understand it's not likely, and it's probably never the case, but like I said, it's not impossible.



Is that so? I don't suppose you could quote him on that?

"If it would be Zelda it would be great!! but this time Navi is jealous of Zelda!"
"We needed a name for eternal beauty and eternal strenght of a woman!"
"Link always saves the princess, maybe out of love I don't know!" -laughs-

Okay three quotes of miyamoto, oh and btw he loved the Ocarina of time manga where he said

"Thank you Akira-san for making the zelda world bigger!"
Now we both know there is some fluff in the manga, he couldn't miss it!


N00b oh please, just because I look at interviews, japanese text and well support this couple doesn't mean I'm a n00b, I was one of the first persons who discovered that Ww came after Oot Princess Zelda's timeline, people correct me that I was wrong! But I was right all along, Miyamoto and Eiji stated it in a interview.

And if this couple is soooooooooo wrong, why is there still fluff in the manga's?
And why is Eiji supporting Akira himikawa?
I mean come on, Eiji said many times that he loved Alttp and that it was his favorite game, and what comes out? A new Akira himikawa A link to the past manga! And an interview with Eiji aunoma and Akira himikawa all three together in one room!
even on the Zelda manga's it says "Copyright of Nintendo!"
And believe me guy's there is new romance in the alttp manga! (heck even a girl is jealous of Zelda, because Link cares so much about her!)
So if it was fake, why aren't they stopping this romance?

[Husse]

Why would they? It's an original story, made for manga readers in which manga always has romance. Why would they? There's nothing wrong with it...

It's just not canon, and it's not games. I'm writing a story, and I know how it is. You make up stuff. But until I see it in the games, I'm not going to say that's the way it is. The manga people are simply retelling the legend in comic form.

But that's for the anime board, is all. Zelda is a made-up story. It can be retold and there's nothing wrong with that. But the original copy/format is what you go by when you're making guesses on what will happen to a Link romantically. Kay? That's what I say.

And kudos. I don't know what those brainless people were doing arguing with you, everyone knows WW came after OoT, glad you stood up for it.

[monique]

Hahahahahaha I don't say names, but really there are people like that, that calls themselves smart while they are wrong!
True about the manga, but you know Nintendo kind of supports them, because if they didn't well >_> there wouldn't be any new romance in the manga! And I think Eiji requested the two woman of Akira to make the alttp manga because it was his favorite game! Also it's funny that Akira used some old stuff of the old Alttp manga. But I'm not going to tell further you'll have to buy it!

[Husse]

I'm not a big manga person, sorry. It's too melodramatic and unnecessarily crass a lot of the time. I don;t understand the emotions of the characters too well either.

That could just be me. What turned me off from manga was Fruits Basket. Are they all like that?

[garsh]

"If it would be Zelda it would be great!! but this time Navi is jealous of Zelda!"  
"We needed a name for eternal beauty and eternal strenght of a woman!"  
"Link always saves the  princess, maybe out of love I don't know!" -laughs-

Surely you realize none of those solidly support your claim. Especially the second quote, I can't see what that one has to do with anything. The third one, though, might be the most important and telling of the three. He says: "...maybe out of love I don't know".

That sums up the whole point. It's evident to many of us, that Miyamoto in his own vision offers suggestions of a warm relationship. Of course he would, the game would lack a very necessary component of it's charm if those like you--and manga authors--didn't have the freedom to explore your personal fantasies of love-matches with the characters.

By the same token, though, if Miyamoto, or Aonuma were to forcefully say that definately Link and Zelda were a couple, that would place contstraints on the fantasies of those that want to see Link and Malon as a couple, or Link and Ruto, etcetera. So see, by being suggestive, he leaves the door open for anyone to expand the basic ideas into their own interpretation. This is exactly what makes those facets of the game so appealing to such a wide audience. And this is exactly what manga authors do. Or fan fiction writers, or screen writers, or cartoon producers, and so on.

Okay three quotes of miyamoto, oh and btw he loved the Ocarina of time manga where he said

"Thank you Akira-san for making the zelda world bigger!"
Now we both know there is some fluff in the manga, he couldn't miss it!

And if this couple is soooooooooo wrong, why is there still fluff in the manga's?  
And why is Eiji supporting Akira himikawa?

even on the Zelda manga's it says "Copyright of Nintendo!"

Based on this, you seem to think no one believes you that the manga stories are "official". I'm certainly not saying that, but at the same time, it has to be taken into account that they have no impact on the characters, events and scenarios in the game.

Obviously the creative people at Nintendo are aware of the manga and other interpretations of their base material. They might even collaborate with them to achieve a greater level of accuracy and similarity in the transition from game to manga. Such was the case, from what I understand, when A Link to the Past was translated into a manga that was later published in Nintendo Power.

Even so, nothing that takes place in a manga, cartoon, book, movie or anything else will ever necessarily be adhered to in the games. That's up the designers' discretion. In fact, most often, nothing like that will ever be taken into account.

So you can enjoy the fantasies played out in manga and so on, but understand that for the most part it has no bearing at all on the game world.

[Husse]

So you can enjoy the fantasies played out in manga and so on, but understand that for the most part it has no bearing at all on the game world.
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Sums up me silly rant in a nutshell, thank you. Link never turns into a wolf anywhere, anyway.

[monique]

Akira himikawa are the persons who actually created the rito tribe in windwaker because of their extra chapter in the ocarina of time manga!

[Hana-Nezumi]

yeah, i noticed when i played wind waker "hey, these guys were in the oot manga". And volvagia was not messed up, they just threw in some extra story to make it more intersting. i kind of liked it.