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The Sabbath Day! (Yet again)
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Posted 01 December 2004 - 09:29 PM
No, he doesn't, although they do apply only to Jews. Commandments from before Leviticus, though, apply to everybody.Read my above posts.
God makes them very clearly distant from the 10 commandments.
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Posted 02 December 2004 - 02:14 AM
No, he doesn't, although they do apply only to Jews. Commandments from before Leviticus, though, apply to everybody.
Does that include the 'eye for an eye' bit, as well as instructions for constructing the Tabernacle?
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Posted 02 December 2004 - 10:39 AM
I mean Exodus. Yeah, it's still eye for an eye, and I'm fairly sure you STILL can't eat swine, but whatever.
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Posted 02 December 2004 - 11:07 AM
"Don't worry about what goes into your mouth so much as what comes out."
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Posted 03 December 2004 - 12:43 AM
I don't think God created the bible to nitpick tiny minut details. *rolls eyes*
Seriously. CATHOLICS believe not to condemn others and that it's between teh person and God
and GOD tells us not to Condemn others. SO what right does another denomination have to condemn others? None. Only God does. >_<; Sorry, had to get that out.
I don't think it's right that she keeps bringing up Catholics, yes they changed the day of the sabbath. Big woop. THEY did it in teh honor of Jesus' rising from the dead.
I don't think it should be approved of anyone condemning others, if it's one religious beliefs or not. It isn't right to condemn anyone..according to Christian beliefs. Isn't it slightly hypocritical to believe in teh bible but not go by something as simple as judging others?
Seriously. CATHOLICS believe not to condemn others and that it's between teh person and God
and GOD tells us not to Condemn others. SO what right does another denomination have to condemn others? None. Only God does. >_<; Sorry, had to get that out.
I don't think it's right that she keeps bringing up Catholics, yes they changed the day of the sabbath. Big woop. THEY did it in teh honor of Jesus' rising from the dead.
I don't think it should be approved of anyone condemning others, if it's one religious beliefs or not. It isn't right to condemn anyone..according to Christian beliefs. Isn't it slightly hypocritical to believe in teh bible but not go by something as simple as judging others?
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Posted 03 December 2004 - 02:16 PM
I never condemmed you.
I just said catholics changed the sabbath day.
Which you did.
"Sunday is a Catholic institution, and its claim to observance can be defended only on Catholic principles . . From beginning to end of Scripture there is not a single passage that warrants the transfer of weekly public worship from the last day of the week to the first."—Catholic Press, Sydney, Australia, August, 1900.
"Protestants . . accept Sunday rather than Saturday as the day for public worship after the Catholic Church made the change . . But the Protestant mind does not seem to realize that in accepting the Bible, in observing the Sunday, they are accepting the authority of the spokesman for the church, the Pope."—Our Sunday Visitor, February 5, 1950.
"If Protestants would follow the Bible, they should worship God on the Sabbath Day. In keeping the Sunday they are following a law of the Catholic Church."—Albert Smith, Chancellor of the Archdiocese of Baltimore, replying for the Cardinal, in a letter dated February 10, 1920.
I just said catholics changed the sabbath day.
Which you did.
"Sunday is a Catholic institution, and its claim to observance can be defended only on Catholic principles . . From beginning to end of Scripture there is not a single passage that warrants the transfer of weekly public worship from the last day of the week to the first."—Catholic Press, Sydney, Australia, August, 1900.
"Protestants . . accept Sunday rather than Saturday as the day for public worship after the Catholic Church made the change . . But the Protestant mind does not seem to realize that in accepting the Bible, in observing the Sunday, they are accepting the authority of the spokesman for the church, the Pope."—Our Sunday Visitor, February 5, 1950.
"If Protestants would follow the Bible, they should worship God on the Sabbath Day. In keeping the Sunday they are following a law of the Catholic Church."—Albert Smith, Chancellor of the Archdiocese of Baltimore, replying for the Cardinal, in a letter dated February 10, 1920.
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Posted 03 December 2004 - 04:49 PM
Windmill, I go to church on Saturday or Sunday (whichever is more convenient). Sometimes I go on both days, if I also go to a friend's church. What's your opinion on that (it's OK, I won't get mad if you say I'm violating the Torah)?
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Posted 03 December 2004 - 05:11 PM
"Verily, the Lord is best not fucked with, for when he doth give commandments, he doth keep it real. No pork means no pork.""Don't worry about what goes into your mouth so much as what comes out."
-Jesus, paraphrased
-Isaiah, unrecorded monolouge
(Translation- OK, whatever. I've got no good reason to press this point.)
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Posted 03 December 2004 - 08:41 PM
"Verily, the Lord is best not fucked with, for when he doth give commandments, he doth keep it real. No pork means no pork."
-Isaiah, unrecorded monolouge
(Translation- OK, whatever. I've got no good reason to press this point.)
Wait a minute, don't Reform Jews believe that keeping the ceremonial laws of the Torah is optional?
Anyway, see Deuteronomy 27:26 to find out why Christians don't rely on the Torah for salvation.
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Posted 03 December 2004 - 11:15 PM
You know, I don't eat pork anyway, most adventists do not, we keep the bibles health laws, but thats so we can remain healthy.
Going both days isn't bad, but it is bad if you start keeping the 1st day holy over the 7th. We should always remember, if we go to church on a sunday, that it is not the sabbath day.
We should all remember, though, that going to church is not keeping the sabbath holy. Going to church, then doing your own thing, does not giv the day justice. It should be a 24 hour rest from normal everyday things, and spent getting to know God better.
Alright, now, okay, heres how I feel about it: I feel that if it is not possible to go to church on Saturday, that Sunday is sure better than nothing. But I feel that going to church on Saturday should be what we try to do. As it is sabbath, and sabbath is set aside to worship god, and thats what we do at church-right? On sabbath, we come closer to god. Thats what we do at church. On sabbath, we remember God, and that is what we do in church.Windmill, I go to church on Saturday or Sunday (whichever is more convenient). Sometimes I go on both days, if I also go to a friend's church. What's your opinion on that (it's OK, I won't get mad if you say I'm violating the Torah)?
Going both days isn't bad, but it is bad if you start keeping the 1st day holy over the 7th. We should always remember, if we go to church on a sunday, that it is not the sabbath day.
We should all remember, though, that going to church is not keeping the sabbath holy. Going to church, then doing your own thing, does not giv the day justice. It should be a 24 hour rest from normal everyday things, and spent getting to know God better.
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Posted 04 December 2004 - 02:37 AM
OK, then my next question is one I asked before (I don't know if you already answered it, but probably not). In France, Sunday is the seventh day of the week. So on which day should French Christians go to church? The sixth day (Saturday), or the seventh day (Sunday)?
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Posted 04 December 2004 - 02:46 AM
Okay, I already did actually, but I can see how easily it could be over-looked, so I'll re-directly answer it.
To answer that question, I must ask another question, is Sunday the same day as Saturday here? The question is not whether you should go to church on the day which is called Saturday, but the 7th day of the week. The Jews have always kept the seventh day holy, and they do that today even. Is Sunday, the same day as the Jews sabbath?
I question whether it is, because last I heard, France was a catholic country... though I'm not sure on that.
To answer that question, I must ask another question, is Sunday the same day as Saturday here? The question is not whether you should go to church on the day which is called Saturday, but the 7th day of the week. The Jews have always kept the seventh day holy, and they do that today even. Is Sunday, the same day as the Jews sabbath?
I question whether it is, because last I heard, France was a catholic country... though I'm not sure on that.
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Posted 04 December 2004 - 03:00 AM
Yes; Sunday in France is the same as Sunday in America. They just put Sunday on the end of their calendar.
As for the Jews' Sabbath, I have no idea. Does it matter? Jews aren't Christians, they have their own religion. Jews are cool people, but we don't need to follow their religious practices (if we did, we wouldn't believe in Jesus). We're talking about what Christians should do.
As for the Jews' Sabbath, I have no idea. Does it matter? Jews aren't Christians, they have their own religion. Jews are cool people, but we don't need to follow their religious practices (if we did, we wouldn't believe in Jesus). We're talking about what Christians should do.
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Posted 04 December 2004 - 02:20 PM
Well, the fact is, their sabbath keeping is what we're supposed to do.
If Sunday in France is the same as Sunday here, then no, they should worship on the historically 7th day of the week, which is Saturday.
If Sunday in France is the same as Sunday here, then no, they should worship on the historically 7th day of the week, which is Saturday.
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Posted 04 December 2004 - 02:48 PM
But in France, Sunday is the historical seventh day of the week. Remember, the order of the days in the week is purely arbitrary.
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Posted 04 December 2004 - 03:58 PM
I question whether it is, because last I heard, France was a catholic country... though I'm not sure on that.
Yeah, what does being a "catholic country" which i have no idea if it's true or not..have anything to do with the fact that they consider Sunday the 7th day of the week or not?
The fact that around the world there are different days that are considered 7, how is whether you celebrate the sabbath on Saturday or Sunday? I mean, different places have different "calenders"
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Posted 04 December 2004 - 04:24 PM
As christians, we should follow the Jewish calendar, as they have historically always kept the lords seventh day sabbath.
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Posted 04 December 2004 - 05:50 PM
The Hebrew calendar is a lunar calendar. If you want to follow that, then we've got to throw out all of our solar calendars.
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Posted 04 December 2004 - 06:02 PM
I mean the weekly cycle of the hebrews.
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Posted 06 December 2004 - 12:25 AM
Why follow the weekly calendar and not the lunar calendar?
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Posted 06 December 2004 - 11:11 AM
Because deciding which part of the weekend to go to church on is easy, but doing anything that might impede your secular life? Well, that's just inconviniet, god or no!
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Posted 07 December 2004 - 01:37 AM
You mean mean by keeping the sabbath holy....?Because deciding which part of the weekend to go to church on is easy, but doing anything that might impede your secular life? Well, that's just inconviniet, god or no!
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Posted 07 December 2004 - 10:01 AM
I mean by using the god's calendar, not some 365-day foolishness.
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Posted 07 December 2004 - 04:17 PM
Alak is right. The Jews have always used the Hebrew lunar calendar. That's why the Jewish Passover is always on different days of the year, while the Christian Pascha (also known as Passover and Easter) is on the same day every year.
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Posted 07 December 2004 - 04:41 PM
Well, Gods time is the 7-day cycle. The Hewbrews follow the 7-day cycle formed by God.
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Posted 08 December 2004 - 01:03 AM
Maybe God's 7 day cycle changed..I mean, he IS omniesent isn't that what you guys keep saying? How can you REALLY know his cycle unless you were him. I mean, there is no use getting your panties in a twist every time things change, you just have to go with it or you will..have..very...twisted..panties..and you know how damnable that is! God HATES twisted panties..God was an underwear folder you know..ahem anyway,..yeah well that last statement killed my train of thought...
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Posted 08 December 2004 - 03:48 PM
Of course we know Gods 7-day cycle, the Jews have been keeping it for years.
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Posted 08 December 2004 - 04:42 PM
As well as god's calandar. The seven day week is part of that, yes, and a very convinient part to have to follow, but the whole calandar IS part of god's commandment. All or nothing.
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Posted 09 December 2004 - 05:05 AM
Huh? What do you mean by the calendar?
