Yeah I mean it's not like I do anything on Saturdays or Sundays..haha
edit: Do you really think God cares if it's Sat or Sunday?
If it's on Sunday at least you know they are honering the rise of CHrist and it was changed so long ago..[img]http://forums.legendsalliance.com/public/ALOT.png[/img] of people would be in hell right now if he really cared eh?
The Sabbath Day! (Yet again)
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Posted 27 November 2004 - 06:31 PM
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Posted 27 November 2004 - 06:33 PM
Do you ever watch tv?
Do you have un-godly thoughts on those days?
Do you have un-godly thoughts on those days?
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Posted 27 November 2004 - 06:34 PM
Look at the Bible, man. It says, quite plainly. "Work for six days, and rest on the seventh." It says NOTHING about Saturday.
Oh, and Sunday has no evidence? What about dying on the day of preparation for the Sabbath and rising on the third day?
Oh, and Sunday has no evidence? What about dying on the day of preparation for the Sabbath and rising on the third day?
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Posted 27 November 2004 - 06:37 PM
Well, watching tv.... you can't expect most people to do absolutely nothing. I know I'd go crazy if I was forced to just... sit there and not do a thing for twenty four hours. Besides, it seems like a waste of perfectly good time if you just do nothing. 
But then again, I'm not even Christian or anywhere close to it, so I don't really care much.
But then again, I'm not even Christian or anywhere close to it, so I don't really care much.
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Posted 27 November 2004 - 06:39 PM
I like watching movies more...I just got the new harry potter movie...
What IS ok to do on Sabbath day anyway? BEsides the obvious like church and stuff
What IS ok to do on Sabbath day anyway? BEsides the obvious like church and stuff
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Posted 27 November 2004 - 06:39 PM
IT CALLS IT THE SEVENTH DAY.
"Remember the sabbath day by keeping it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is a sabbath to the lord you god. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your manservent or maidservent, nor your animals, nor the alien within your gates. For in 6 days the lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them but he rested on the 7th day. Therefore, the lord blessed the sabbath day and made it holy."
No, steve, you read it completley wrong.
It says work for the first 6 days, then rest on THE seventh. Not decide when those 6 days are up, then go and rest on the 7th. Its a weekly cycle. You see, what you don't get, is each of the days are numbered, instead of got names (ie saturday) so when he reffers to it as the 7th day, gods in other words calling it a name. He's not ust reffering to it as a number. Thats the name of saturday in the bible, the 7th day.
What can you do on the sabbath day? Well, you devote it to spending time with God, and as it said, not do "worldly pleasures" on that day. Ie, watching tv shows tht arnt godly, playing video games, anything that comes between your thoughts being with god. So... you pray, study, and yeah, don't do your everyday things.
"Remember the sabbath day by keeping it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is a sabbath to the lord you god. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your manservent or maidservent, nor your animals, nor the alien within your gates. For in 6 days the lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them but he rested on the 7th day. Therefore, the lord blessed the sabbath day and made it holy."
No, steve, you read it completley wrong.
It says work for the first 6 days, then rest on THE seventh. Not decide when those 6 days are up, then go and rest on the 7th. Its a weekly cycle. You see, what you don't get, is each of the days are numbered, instead of got names (ie saturday) so when he reffers to it as the 7th day, gods in other words calling it a name. He's not ust reffering to it as a number. Thats the name of saturday in the bible, the 7th day.
What can you do on the sabbath day? Well, you devote it to spending time with God, and as it said, not do "worldly pleasures" on that day. Ie, watching tv shows tht arnt godly, playing video games, anything that comes between your thoughts being with god. So... you pray, study, and yeah, don't do your everyday things.
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Posted 27 November 2004 - 06:41 PM
Do you really think God cares if it's Sat or Sunday?
Dumb question.... of course he cares.... Its a commandment for gods sake...... (For Gods sake, oh the pun in that... so from that, you can tell I'm not Christian BUT I still believe the sabbath day is a saturday, or thursday)
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Posted 27 November 2004 - 06:43 PM
Saturday or Thursday you just contradicted yourself, buddy.
I think as long as Christians have A SABBATH day, it doesn't nec. matter IF it's sat or sun. I mean, SUnday obviously is important because thats the day Jesus was resurrected.
I think as long as Christians have A SABBATH day, it doesn't nec. matter IF it's sat or sun. I mean, SUnday obviously is important because thats the day Jesus was resurrected.
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Posted 27 November 2004 - 06:46 PM
Doesn't mean that is the sabbath day though.... The bible states differently... If you aren't going to follow that commandment... why follow any of them?
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Posted 27 November 2004 - 06:46 PM
No. If it didn't matter, Jesus wouldn't expect us to keep it now would he?
If it didn't matter, why would God command us to keep the seventh day?
If it didn't matter, why would God command us to keep the seventh day?
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Posted 27 November 2004 - 06:48 PM
It says work for the first 6 days, then rest on THE seventh.
Putting "the" in front of osmething doesn't make it a proper noun.
For example, if I say, "I'll in Michigan for four days, and I fly back on the fifth day," what day of the week do I fly back?
That's the exact form this passage takes, and there is NO REASON to think that the word "the," inserted during translation, makes anything a proper noun.
This commandment serves to define a week for Jews. It establishes a weekly cycle that emulates God's own behavior. You only have a case if the Universe began on a Sunday and the Ten Commandments were recieved on a Sunday. Neither of those is provable, so it remains arbitrary.
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Posted 27 November 2004 - 06:49 PM
Well God didn't exactly write the bible did he?
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Posted 27 November 2004 - 06:52 PM
Well, the bible says "But THE seventh day is the sabbath".This commandment serves to define a week for Jews. It establishes a weekly cycle that emulates God's own behavior. You only have a case if the Universe began on a Sunday and the Ten Commandments were recieved on a Sunday. Neither of those is provable, so it remains arbitrary.
Listen, it is not just the jews week. It was the week made for everyone. "Sabbath was made for the man, not man made for the sabbath"
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Posted 27 November 2004 - 07:57 PM
Thing is people. The bible can be interperated many a way. And everyone believes THEIR way is right, HOWEVER the seventh day is, although not stated specifically, a Saturday. People don't just forget the order of their days over several thousand years.... Its basically defying history, or a Christian history anyway
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Posted 28 November 2004 - 12:09 AM
Yes, THANK-YOU Ben 
And, again, if God made the 7-day week cycle, we can't change it.
And, again, if God made the 7-day week cycle, we can't change it.
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Posted 28 November 2004 - 12:48 AM
Windmill, I've got a question. What if we changed calendars so that Sunday was the last day of the week? Then would it be OK to worship on Sunday?
I'm not trying to ask a random hypothetical question. I'm asking because in France, Sunday is the seventh day of the week.
I'm not trying to ask a random hypothetical question. I'm asking because in France, Sunday is the seventh day of the week.
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Posted 28 November 2004 - 12:56 AM
I guess if you put the word "Sunday" instead of "Saturday", that'd be alright.
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Posted 28 November 2004 - 01:01 AM
I think the majority of the world has Sunday as the last day of the calendar. Just some nations, like the US (as always), are freaky about things. I remember hearing that most of the South and Central American nations have Sunday as the last day.
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Posted 28 November 2004 - 01:04 AM
It doesn't really matter about what name it is, its the number of the day. In New Zealand, Austrailia, england etc, we all have Sunday as the 1st day.
But the fact though, is that yes, Saturday is just a name to call the 7th day of the week. So, we should probably called Sunday the first day of the week, and saturday the 7th day of the week to avoid confusion
But the fact though, is that yes, Saturday is just a name to call the 7th day of the week. So, we should probably called Sunday the first day of the week, and saturday the 7th day of the week to avoid confusion
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Posted 28 November 2004 - 01:12 AM
Well, then isn't the answer to your Saturday/Sunday question 'both'? If it's just the seventh day, that could mean anything depending upon what calendar system your using. In some countries, Saturday is the last day, and in other it's Sunday. If even that's not satisfactory, then which calendar is correct, if any?
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Posted 28 November 2004 - 01:20 AM
What I meant, is Sunday being the 1st day, and saturday being the 7th day, as those are their names known to us.
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Posted 28 November 2004 - 01:27 AM
It's not really an issue with their names. Domingo = Sunday in translation. It's their orientation on the calendars that's an issue. Sunday is set as the last day of the week, whereas Monday is the first. The other calendars are set so that the first day of work is the first day of the week, and the last day (Sunday) is the holy/rest/last weekend day instead of having the work days sandwhiched in between the weekend like our system is set up.
So, maybe the 'Sabbath' day just got lost over time as calendars changed around for whatever reason. What kind of week was set up back in Biblical times? Was Monday first, or was Sunday? It seems odd that people would just randomly worship at the wrong time just because.
So, maybe the 'Sabbath' day just got lost over time as calendars changed around for whatever reason. What kind of week was set up back in Biblical times? Was Monday first, or was Sunday? It seems odd that people would just randomly worship at the wrong time just because.
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Posted 28 November 2004 - 01:33 AM
you're confusing me. Whatever... lets not dwell on their names.
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Posted 28 November 2004 - 01:41 AM
Actually the names very much matter..... in fact they could hold what defines the seventh day.... The name means a hell of a lot
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Posted 28 November 2004 - 01:43 AM
No, the names were given to us by the romans. But, meh, continue on
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Posted 28 November 2004 - 01:45 AM
Well, Windmill, I edited my post right as you were posting, because... yeah, I sounded a little retarded.
But it's not so much their 'names' as their orientation on a calendar, I would think. It just really depends on which day was the first day back in those olden times. Monday, or Sunday? If that can even be determined, of course...
But it's not so much their 'names' as their orientation on a calendar, I would think. It just really depends on which day was the first day back in those olden times. Monday, or Sunday? If that can even be determined, of course...
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Posted 28 November 2004 - 01:50 AM
Exactly..... the romans named the days..... So what the called the seventh day is possibly the most specific piece of evidence you'll need... what they named them DOES matterNo, the names were given to us by the romans.
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Posted 28 November 2004 - 01:58 AM
True, I guess.
Also, the romans kept the saturday as the sabbath day. We know this because time has been kept throughout history.
Also, the romans kept the saturday as the sabbath day. We know this because time has been kept throughout history.
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Posted 28 November 2004 - 02:04 AM
And if time had not been kept then there would not be system that defines our years
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Posted 28 November 2004 - 02:19 AM
The Roman's named the days, sort of.... but they were eventually altered by Saxon and Germanic languages into what they are now. People were using the Julian calendar back then (Gregorian usage began in the 1500's, when the Julian calendar was altered by a Pope), but I don't know which day was first on the Julian week, which could make all the difference.
Unless of course, the Bible was based upon the Hebrew calendar rather than the Roman one.
Unless of course, the Bible was based upon the Hebrew calendar rather than the Roman one.
