Hello all! I was referred to this website by an old friend. There *might* be one or two of you who *might* know me. I used to discuss timeline theories long ago, but stopped since nothing was getting accomplished. We now have access to much more information that before, so I decided to temporarily reopen my Zelda mind. I have been thinking about this timeline here for quite sometime, and wanted to know what everyone thought about it. I apologize if this has already been discussed, or is someone else’s ideas. I’m brand new here. So I’ll quickly give you the run down of the timeline, assuming that most of you know the storylines of each game.
………………OOT Future - WW/PH
………………MM – TP – ALTTP/LA – LOZ/AOL - OOX – FS/FSA
-MC is first because it references no other Zelda and has no mention of Ganon. This led me to conclude it is best to place first.
-Split Timeline. The events of the Adult Reality happen as explained in the games.
-After TP, Ganon/dorf does not die but comes back in time for the IW. Ganon/dorf tells Link and Zelda at the end of TP to not think that “this is the end”. I doubt we should take this quote lightly.
-IW/ALTTP/LA occur on time, where at the end of ALTTP Ganon is defeated, but remains as ashes, leaving possibilities for him to be revived. Refer to the LA manual to confirm Ganon’s state after he was defeated.
"Though you fulfilled the Hyrulian prophecy of the Legendary Hero and destroyed the evil tyrant Ganon, the land of Hyrule enjoyed only a precarious peace. "Who knows what threats may arise from Ganon's ashes?"
Clearly states Ganon is ashes and references Link as the Legendary Hero from ALTTP.
-Ganon is revived from the World of Spirits where his ashes remain when he is defeated. (AOL Manual Japanese Translation) He steals the ToP from the castle because it was one of the pieces the prince from the AOL BS was able to maintain from the King. The Triforce was not whole in the time of LOZ, therefore he was able to steal one piece.
-Ganon’s minions try to revive him once in AOL and again in the Oracle series, but fail both times. His spirit is encased in the Trident while it awaits someone to awaken it.
-Vaati escapes the seal of the FS. In FSA Ganon is resurrected, but sealed in the FS. There is no need to explain how he escapes from that because it doesn’t matter.
I am pretty sure that everyone here can understand the timeline up until FSA, because everything flows well and explains itself. The only thing that needs to be elaborated on here is the placement of FSA. I glanced at the last few pages of the translation topic on this board, and found a nice quote.
King of Darkness… The man who took the Trident, the evil device (ja-ki) of the demon resurrected from ancient times!!
King of Darkness, ancient demon reborn. The wielder of the trident!!
Both of these quotes imply that the King of Darkness is being resurrected from ancient times. There is no way around this but to admit that Ganon himself is being resurrected through the FSA Ganondorf wielding the Trident. You simply cannot say that this is some other demon, because there is no proof of another demon throughout the Zelda timeline. If you want to argue and say that the Ganon/dorf from TP is being resurrected here, that will be incorrect as well. Ganon/dorf in TP never became the King of Darkness or King of Evil, and he is never mentioned as such throughout the entire game. Clearly FSA must occur after a game in which Ganon became the King of Darkness in order for him to be reborn. In case you want to tell me Ganon didn’t become the King of Darkness in ALTTP…
You are the only one who can destroy Ganondorf, the thief-no, Ganon, the evil King Of Darkness!
-Maiden, Swamp Palace ALTTP
Ganon is being referred to as the King of Darkness in ALTTP, plain as day. Why? He has already become the King of Evil, and is now ruler of the Dark World, which means he is King of all that dwell in the Dark and King of Dark powers. Obviously this immediately means he is the King of Darkness as well as Evil. In ALTTP he became both King of Darkness & Evil.
Indeed, the King of Evil Ganon, the one who has threatened Hyrule so, was born at this time.
-Japanese translation ALTTP Manual
At the time Ganondorf touches the Triforce in ALTTP the King of Evil Ganon is born. If you place FSA before ALTTP, Ganon is resurrected in FSA (from what I don’t know) and then born for the first time again (?) in ALTTP as someone else. Although for one to be resurrected, you must have had to be born at a previous time, so you are saying Ganon was born twice while being resurrected in between both occasions? So by placing ALTTP after FSA you are saying that the King of Darkness is being resurrected before he was born. Since in TP Ganon/dorf never became the King of anything, which means there is nothing for the ancient demon to be reborn from.
“One day, the Great Demon King Ganon, who planned to rule the world with darkness and fear, led an evil army corps and invaded the kingdom and snatched the Triforce of Power.”
-Japanese translation LOZ Manual
If we are all pretty clear on the fact that ALTTP Ganon is LOZ Ganon this would mean that Ganon was a demon in ALTTP, which means that FSA’s statement of an ancient demon being resurrected is true.
Many people believe that Ganondorf first acquires the Trident in FSA. I believe this is untrue. Who is to say that the Trident gives Ganon his power for the first time in FSA and who is to say that FSA is the first time Ganon has the Trident? My explanation is that we were duped into believing this. Ganon had the Trident during the IW for the first time, where he most likely came across it way back then. Some time before the IW, Ganon had fashioned himself the Trident to amplify or focus his powers, or he found it in that desert temple where it rested in FSA. In either case he got it during the IW or sometime before.
Eventually Ganon would be defeated in ALTTP only to return in LOZ, where he is defeated again. His minions try their best to revive him, once in AOL and again in OOX. They fail both times and decide to encase his spirit in his magic Trident. Ganon’s minions place the Trident somewhere in Hyrule in hopes that one day someone would wield the Trident and awaken the true Ganon, in which the true Ganon would return.
Many years have passed since the time of LOZ/AOL/OOX and Hyrule has been restored to its former glory. During that time, the desert folk learn of the ancient Trident and build a pyramid around it in order to stop those who would seek it. These are the Zuna we meet in FSA. This supports the notion that Ganon doesn’t necessarily need to acquire the Trident for the first time in FSA.
“Swiftly and suddenly, dark clouds covered all of Hyrule. Ominous clouds that filled all those who saw them with fear... A sense of dread swept across the land.”
- Zelda FSA
This sounds familiar; the story of ALTTP starts the same way.
Here is another translation from the translation topic.
Seek you the world? Seek you power?
If peace is boring, if that soul thirsts
If that soul cries for destruction and conquest
You are granted, in order to ruin the world, the power of darkness
Drown in desire and desire everything
Born from darkness, the demon's evil device, the trident
You are the King of Darkness
This seems to imply that Ganon’s minions wrote this on the Trident to entice prospective villains to pick up the Trident. It also clearly states there is a spirit already dwelling in the Trident, who is the King of Darkness. It also states that the Trident is born from darkness, which is how Ganon acquired it in ALTTP, he might have made it himself. It also states that the Trident is the demons evil device, implying it already has an owner.
I haven’t even touched upon how placing FSA before ALTTP makes things so messy. Like, how does Ganon escape from the FS, and then turn back into a thief in time for the IW, only to be born again as the King of Evil and Darkness. Why would Ganon need a group of thieves to try to enter the SR in the IW if he already had untold power granted to him by the Trident, if theoretically FSA comes before FSA.
Edited by NM87, 13 February 2009 - 11:58 AM.