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#241 Impossible

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Posted 22 March 2008 - 10:42 PM

This is something in TMC that might be interesting, if we could translate it...

The princess who holds the power of light... That mysterious power
is said to flow in the veins of every royal lady in your family ever since
that day when it was gifted to your people. If I leave you now,
you'll only cause me trouble later. That will never do.


That doesn't quite make sense. Vaati knows that Zelda has that power, but doesn't try to take it from her, despite the fact that it's the power he's looking for. After opening the chest, he says...

...?!? Empty? There was nothing in there but those monsters?
What is the meaning of this? Well, I know the force I'm after is somewhere
out there. I'm in no hurry. I can take my time searching for it. Heh heh
heh...


Does Prime Blue have access to the Japanese text in TMC? He did post the ending...

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Posted 23 March 2008 - 10:48 AM

Seems he doesn't realise that power of light is the Light Force...

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Posted 23 March 2008 - 06:25 PM

Everyone knows the royal family has exceptional magic powers. Doesn't mean they equate that power to omnipotence, though.

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Posted 24 March 2008 - 04:08 AM

You first, Mr. "You're speculating about this/That's your interpretation, therefore you're wrong, even though I speculate and reinterpret to no end about much greater things that the games don't imply". Please.


I am being fair.

I operate off a different set of assumptions and care about looking at different things. You apparently see that as absolutely invalid and make sure to berate me every chance you get. I don't agree, but see your opinion as perfectly valid if you operate under a different paradigm, which you of course do.

You said that TP Link was the Hero of Time. That was a fact present at the time of TP's release? What about the fact that Ganondorf was sealed in the Sacred Realm between OoT and the flood? What about the fact that the Hero of Time isn't mentioned at all? What about the fact that Ganondorf was NOT sealed in the Sacred Realm, but instead captured and brought to justice?


1) Link could pull the Master Sword from the Pedestal of Time. That makes him the Hero of Time, does it not? Isn't he the only one able to pull the sword?

2) It says that Ganondorf was captured in TP; since he had the Triforce of Power, I presumed this referred to the sages' seal.

3) The Hero of Time is mentioned, just not by that title. He's not mentioned by that title except by a select few in TWW, either, none of whom appear in TP (aside from Ganondorf).

4) Ganondorf was captured in OoT, he just wasn't executed. Since the execution would obviously take place after OoT, I see no reason why it could not have happened in that scenario.

None of that fits with TP more than OoT, or at all. TWW only talks about the Hero of Time and the events of OoT, and TP didn't even exist at the time. Also, Ganondorf was killed in TP, meaning the Triforce of Power wasn't with him anymore. And more importantly, Link couldn't have had the Triforce of Courage in TP. It was impossible.


1) Ganondorf turned Hyrule into a world of shadows AFTER he escaped.
2) TWW only talks about the legends of Ganondorf taking the Triforce. It skims over what happened between OoT and TWW, although we know that a lot must have happened.
3) "Ganondorf was killed in TP, meaning the Triforce of Power wasn't with him anymore." That's entirely debatable. He wasn't destroyed by the Silver Arrows, which was the scenario in LoZ and ALttP, the only scenarios in which Ganondorf has lost the Triforce.
4) Only if you assume that Ganondorf never got into the Sacred Realm. Which I don't.

Also, I find the idea of you taking a pre-release (by a year and a half, making it about as accurate as Miyamoto saying TWW was first) interview as fact funny when you even ignore a post-release interview about FS and FSA.


By someone who flat-out states at least four times in that interview alone that he didn't work on the game or its story, mind you. :P

You were wrong in 2002, when Aonuma talked about the split timeline.


Except it wasn't clear enough then. I had always read it as distinguishing "after OoT" from "after Link returns to the past." MM was "after OoT," but not "after Adult Link defeated Ganon." Even before I knew about the split timeline. I didn't even know such a thing could exist; how could I know that's what he was referring to?

You were wrong because of the basic understanding in time travel-related fiction that when the future is completely changed by someone's actions, the original future either disappears (it didn't because of TWW), or occurs in a separate reality.


NOT. ALWAYS. <_<

It most certainly needed to exist, because MM could NOT happen otherwise, as that was following an ending where the Master Sword was not drawn, and hence the rest of OoT never happened.


Who said the Master Sword was not drawn? It was not used, but that's another matter entirely.

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Posted 24 March 2008 - 05:34 AM

I'm going to respond to your points as quickly and precisely as possibly in order to avoid another split, and then we'll be done.

1. NO. DEAR GOD, NO.
2. No. Stop going against the games.
3. No. See 2.
4. NO NO NO NO NO. I would expect better from someone who expects to maintain OoT as the IW. Remind me, were you doing that when you had TWO deaths of Ganon in between OoT and ALttP?

1. Which was after the Hero of Time was long gone, and he didn't appear. You can't completely screw with the explicitly stated order of events. And don't say you didn't, I have a GameFAQs topic archived where you said that the HoT leaving Hyrule as stated in TWW and the HoT leaving Hyrule as stated in TWW's intro were two separate events. (SUMMARY: No.)
2. No.
3. No. If he's dead, he doesn't have a Triforce piece.
4. Huh? I'm talking about your bizarre single timeline theory. That has nothing to do with it. The ToC was split into eight pieces after OoT and stayed that way until TWW. Your argument here was meant to be "but the KoRL was talking about TP Link", so I could say NO.

Who said the Master Sword was not drawn?


OoT's ending.

Also, no.

By the way, while we wait for the next translation... you accept the retconning of canon that the Sleeping Zelda legend is no longer at the start of the timeline, right? I mean, everyone does, because it was made impossible by later events. Out of sheer curiosity... How is the IW any different? That's been retconned to hell and back AND made impossible on similar grounds.

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Posted 24 March 2008 - 07:26 AM

Pleaaaase, why always here?! Do you realize what you're doing now, you're discussing an obsolete theory with no relevance anymore! Something that wouldn't even be worth splitting off, can't you just discuss it via PMs?

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Posted 27 March 2008 - 04:53 PM

I kinda have a proposal for a next translation.

I was playing Brawl the day before yesterday, and I noticed Toon Link's trophy says this: "His green clothes were worn on his 12th birthday and are the lucky outfit of the hero of legend."

If this should be considered canon, (I know it's not a Zelda game, but hey, it's a Nintendo game, so it must be of some importance, right?) then I think this would put an end to believing that OoT Link is 10 years old, and we would get a definite answer as to how old was Link (at least for OoT and WW).

Now the problem is to get that trophy text in Japanese.

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Posted 27 March 2008 - 05:32 PM

Why can't OoT Link be 10 and TWW Link be 12?

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Posted 27 March 2008 - 05:42 PM

Today is a day to celebrate! It is the day
that you become the same age as the young
hero spoken of in all the legends.


That's why. I don't know if it's expressed in a different way in Japanese, but I think this helps.
Also, as far as I know, there's no official statement that says OoT Link is 10. I'm quite sure about this because I also believed OoT Link was 10, until recently, when I read an article that said nowhere in the game or the manual stated such thing.

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Posted 27 March 2008 - 06:00 PM

I get the impression that Grandma is simply referring to Link "coming of age" as opposed to being the exact same age as the Hero of Time. I mean, how would Grandma know the exact age of the Hero of Time?

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Posted 27 March 2008 - 06:32 PM

I would have to say because of tradition. Of course, that age might have changed because all the years that passed in between, I'm not saying that it has to be that way. Everybody knows some Zelda facts can't be 100% accurate. (Although some deny it LOL) I just think it wouldn't hurt to know.

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Posted 27 March 2008 - 06:54 PM

TWW Link is definitely 12; that's what all the interviews at the time said, anyway. But OoT Link's age isn't really said anywhere; sometimes it's 10, or even younger... It's possible the legends on Outset Island got distorted with time, remember.

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Posted 27 March 2008 - 11:17 PM

I think this would put an end to believing that OoT Link is 10 years old, and we would get a definite answer as to how old was Link (at least for OoT and WW).

Young Link in OoT is actually nine years old, derived from the fact that Adult Link is 16 years old. We know this because after TP's release, Eiji Aonuma stated in an interview that the reason for TP's Adult Link being 16 is due to AoL's Adult Link being that same age. This of course means that OoT's Adult Link isn't some other age than 16 just for the fun of it.

In any case, OoT Link's age has nothing to do with TWW Link's age. In OoT he was too young for the Master Sword, in TWW he wasn't.

Today is a day to celebrate! It is the day
that you become the same age as the young
hero spoken of in all the legends.

Well, I'm pretty sure the Hero of Time was older than 12 when he defeated Ganon in the adult ending :lol:
TWW Link clearly isn't the age of neither Young Link nor Adult Link, he's something in between because the game doesn't feature him in two shapes. And that's what 12 is: something in between.

AoL is clearest about his age.

Exactly, and Aonuma even cited it to convey to us OoT Link's ages.

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Posted 28 March 2008 - 12:32 AM

In OoT he was too young for the Master Sword,


I must intervene; to my knowledge he was too young to be the Hero of Time.

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Posted 28 March 2008 - 01:03 AM

Today is a day to celebrate! It is the day
that you become the same age as the young
hero spoken of in all the legends.

Well, I'm pretty sure the Hero of Time was older than 12 when he defeated Ganon in the adult ending :lol:


LOL of course... :lol: I just thought that since he started his adventure being a kid, Zelda could have started to pass the legend, retelling since the start of his adventure, that is, when he got the Spiritual Stones.

Anyway, I didn't know of that interview statement. (I still think TP Link is very well built to be a 16-year-old, but what the hell, it's just a videogame XD Plus that was great fan service )

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Posted 28 March 2008 - 02:24 AM

I remember TP Link being 16 for a long time before release, but it also might have been changed to 17 at some point very shortly before the game came out. Not sure if I read that or not, I think Aonuma may have said it... As for OoT, I don't remember anyone ever saying that Adult Link was the same age as AoL Link. 16 isn't really adult, anyway...

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Posted 28 March 2008 - 04:24 AM

1. NO. DEAR GOD, NO.
2. No. Stop going against the games.
3. No. See 2.
4. NO NO NO NO NO. I would expect better from someone who expects to maintain OoT as the IW. Remind me, were you doing that when you had TWO deaths of Ganon in between OoT and ALttP?


1) "The Master Sword is a sacred blade which evil ones may never touch...
Only one worthy of the title of "Hero of Time" can pull it from the Pedestal of Time...."

Indisputable fact.

2) Why couldn't this have been true? The game never specified AT ALL.

3) Only the Deku Tree, Jabun, Daphnes, the sages, and Ganondorf know the title "Hero of Time," and all of them are from the old world. The king is the only one who couldn't possibly have been active during the events themselves. Everyone else calls him the "legendary hero" or "great hero."

4) What's wrong with Ganondorf being executed in order that he not escape the sages' clutches? Isn't this what happens in TP anyway?

1. Which was after the Hero of Time was long gone, and he didn't appear. You can't completely screw with the explicitly stated order of events. And don't say you didn't, I have a GameFAQs topic archived where you said that the HoT leaving Hyrule as stated in TWW and the HoT leaving Hyrule as stated in TWW's intro were two separate events. (SUMMARY: No.)
2. No.
3. No. If he's dead, he doesn't have a Triforce piece.
4. Huh? I'm talking about your bizarre single timeline theory. That has nothing to do with it. The ToC was split into eight pieces after OoT and stayed that way until TWW. Your argument here was meant to be "but the KoRL was talking about TP Link", so I could say NO.


1) Which Hero of Time? If "leaving Hyrule" can be used to mean "returning to the past," then "traveling through time to save the land" can just as well be used to mean "appearing at intervals throughout history." Otherwise what does it matter that Link returned to the past at the end of OoT? The events that lead to the flood don't even happen until generations after OoT, according to the prologue. Obviously Ganondorf in TWW must have originally taken the Triforce in OoT and not at any other time, based on the piece in his possession, but it's also obvious that TP Link must qualify for the title of Hero of Time, since he can remove the Master Sword. Obviously this was probably not the original intention of the backstory, but the original backstory of the Four Sword was that it was used by a traveling vagabond, while this backstory is clearly altered for TMC.

2) Generations didn't pass in which the events of OoT passed out of mind and into legend?

3) Ganon (the beast) can only be destroyed by the Silver Arrows. If this essence of Ganon is at all present in TP, it would not be destroyed by the Master Sword, as ALttP shows.

4) The ToC was split into eight pieces after the hero was called on another journey and lost the elements that made him a hero. I personally don't think the ending of OoT qualifies for this, especially considering OoT Link appears to still have the ToC after the timeline would have split (essentially confirmed in TP). If it really does leave him for the reasons stated in TWW, then he shouldn't have it AT ALL in the Child Timeline. Presently, to have a split timeline I have to accept this logical difficulty, as well as the one mentioned in Point 1.

OoT's ending.


OoT's ending only shows that it's back in the Pedestal, which means only that and no more. OoT's ending also shows that Link has the Triforce of Courage, which implies to me that Ganondorf HAS to have gotten in the Sacred Realm anyway.

you accept the retconning of canon that the Sleeping Zelda legend is no longer at the start of the timeline, right? I mean, everyone does, because it was made impossible by later events. Out of sheer curiosity... How is the IW any different? That's been retconned to hell and back AND made impossible on similar grounds.


Sleeping Zelda isn't impossible as the start of the timeline; just the hiding of the Triforce of Courage in the Great Palace is (which appears to take place shortly before Sleeping Zelda, but at the same time the IW definitely takes place as the first time the Triforce is recorded as being removed from its resting place the Sacred Realm).

I will say this: the IW gives itself a self-placement ("Triforce still rested" in the Sacred Realm after creation), and ALttP's rerelease does nothing to alter this self-placement. AoL originally gave a self-placement (first generation), but it is unclear whether this self-placement is still in effect in the rerelease, as at least the NoA version leaves the self-placement out.

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Posted 28 March 2008 - 04:55 AM

Sleeping Zelda isn't impossible as the start of the timeline; just the hiding of the Triforce of Courage in the Great Palace is (which appears to take place shortly before Sleeping Zelda, but at the same time the IW definitely takes place as the first time the Triforce is recorded as being removed from its resting place the Sacred Realm).


You were there for that topic last year when this was disproven. I know this for a fact, and I was the one arguing that the two events could be separate. Don't fuck with me, you've done more than enough damage already. The scroll about the ToC was in the room with Zelda, which could only be opened by someone with the Triforce mark. It was placed in there at the same time Zelda was. If the Triforce had been united in Hyrule at any time before AoL, which it was (and don't even start on that), Zelda would have been awakened.

I don't even know why you're still arguing all that other nonsense, especially in this topic. Leave it alone. You're not accomplishing anything.

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Posted 28 March 2008 - 06:02 AM

1) The statement that the crest is used to open the door is absent from the rerelease. Instead, it is said that only Impa knows how to open the door.
2) The scroll and crystals are entrusted to Impa for a time of need. Sleeping Zelda is not directly connected to the gift of the scroll and crystals, as no matter the case Sleeping Zelda either (a) hadn't been put to sleep or (b) had been asleep for a long time when Impa was given these items. Like Ganondorf and the Twili in the Twilight Realm, the placement of the scroll and the sleeping princess could be mere coincidence rather than directly linked. Of course, since the rerelease also omits the "first generation" line, there's no reason to think any of the rest of the Nintendo staff is considering it, either, unless the Japanese release a Classic Series.
3) I think it's implied that the Triforce was used to wake Zelda, which in the modern context would mean it was wished on to wake Zelda.

Edited by LionHarted, 28 March 2008 - 06:17 AM.


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Posted 28 March 2008 - 05:53 PM

I remember TP Link being 16 for a long time before release, but it also might have been changed to 17 at some point very shortly before the game came out. Not sure if I read that or not, I think Aonuma may have said it...

The opposite is true, he was in 2005 announced to be 17, but then in 2006 corrected to 16 by Aonuma.

As for OoT, I don't remember anyone ever saying that Adult Link was the same age as AoL Link.

It was a logical deduction from the interview. I explained how Aonuma responded: He said that based on AoL's Link being 16, Adult Link still has to be 16 in TP. As we all know, there was another game featuring Adult Link between AoL and TP, and that's OoT.

16 isn't really adult, anyway...

With 16 you certainly were an adult during the middle ages. Some girls were married with 14 even.

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Posted 28 March 2008 - 07:37 PM

Actually, girls were married off at 12.

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Posted 30 March 2008 - 01:14 PM

If they didn't start shaving when they were 13, 15/16-year-olds would seem a lot more adult in our culture. They're just encouraged not to look or dress like adults. Full adult height is generally reached by that age (unless you get one more wee growth spurt at 18 like some of us).

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Posted 30 March 2008 - 06:44 PM

Today, I'm finally done with the manual story of Link's Awakening, requested by Impossible and required by all of us ;)
I'm very pleased to see the original text, though I didn't expect the US text to really make up that much. We all know that Japanese likes to get straight to the point, often neglecting welcome ornamentations, but honestly, it's as if NoA tried to make a novel out of a manual story... :lol:
While it may have been a joy to read, it wasn't exactly good for relying on it in storyline debates, as you will notice. Anyway, here it is:

プロローグ
PROLOGUE

PROLOGUE

邪悪の王ガノンの魔の手からハイラルの平和を取り戻したあなたは、手に入れた安らぎを楽しむ間もなく、新たな災いにそなえて修行の旅に出ていました。
You, who regained the peace of Hyrule from the demonic hands of the king of evil, Ganon, had not enjoyed the achieved tranquility for too long, and had embarked on a journey of training in preparation for new disasters.

Though you fulfilled the Hyrulian prophecy of the Legendary Hero and destroyed the evil tyrant Ganon, the land of Hyrule enjoyed only a precarious peace. "Who knows what threats may arise from Ganon's ashes?", the restless people murmured as they knitted their brows and shook their heads. Ever vigilant, you decided to journey away from Hyrule on a quest for enlightenment, in search of wisdom that would make you better able to withstand the next threat to your homeland.

その日あなたは異国での修行を終え、懐かしいハイラルに帰る航海の途中でした。
One day, when your training in foreign countries was over, you were on your way sailing back to beloved Hyrule.

Months of difficult travel passed. After a long and fruitful voyage, you breathed deeply the sea spray from the deck of the ship that carried you home to Hyrule. But your homecoming was not to be.

それまで穏やかだった海が突然荒れ始めたのです。
The hitherto calm sea suddenly started to be rough.

Suddenly a squall struck your ship,

波に翻弄され、稲妻に打たれた船は真っ二つに割れてしまい、あなたはその残骸とともに深い海の底へと沈んでしまいました。
Being tossed about by the waves and struck by a lightning, the boat was torn right in half, and along with the wreckage you sank to the bottom of the deep sea.

and though you valiantly fought the waves, a lightning bolt reduced your ship to splinters. Your world faded to black as you sank into the darkness of the storm-tossed sea with the remains of your craft.

?すんだ闇のむこうから女の子の声が聞こえます。なにか懐かしい感じのする声です。
?From beyond the utter darkness, you heard the voice of a girl. A voice that gave you a familiar feeling.

But in the cold darkness of the deep, you heard a comforting voice that reminded you of home.

そう、まるでゼルダ姫のような?
Well, completely like Princess Zelda?

It was the voice of Princess Zelda!

「あっ!気がついたのね。よかった!」
"Ahh! You've regained consciousness. Good!"

"You're going to be all right!", the voice said. "What a relief!"

目の前にはあなたの目覚めを喜ぶ少女の姿がありました。
Before your eyes was the figure of a young lady who rejoiced at your awakening.

You opened your eyes to find Princess Zelda standing over you - or was it?!

彼女の名はマリン。
Her name was Marin.

Actually, it turned out to be a woman named Marin.

あなたは奇跡的にもコホリントという島に流れ着いたのです。
Miraculously, you had washed ashore on an island called Koholint.

She explained that you had drifted with the wreckage of your ship to the shores of Koholint Island.

このコホリント島は、真ん中の山の頂上に大きなタマゴを抱く不思議な島でした。
This island of Koholint was mysterious for the huge egg on top of its central mountain.

This mysterious island was unique for the gigantic egg which crowned its central mountain.

その中には『風のさかな』という神が、眠っているといいます。
Inside of it, a god named "Wind Fish" was said to be sleeping.

It was said that a mythical creature, the Wind Fish, lay asleep inside the egg.

あなたはなくした剣を探しに自分の流れ着いた海岸へと向かいました。
You set out in search of your lost sword that washed up on the beach with you.

You set out in search of your sword and other gear that might have washed up on the beach with you.

すると不思議なフクロウが現われ、謎めいた言葉を残していったのです。
Doing that, a mysterious owl appeared and left a riddle.

As you stood in the surf with your recovered sword, a strange owl suddenly appeared and hooted this riddle:

「すべて『風のさかな』の目覚めが答えてくれる。」
"Awaken the 'Wind Fish' and all will be answered."

"Awaken the Wind Fish and all will be answered."

『風のさかな』とは何なのでしょう。
What might the "Wind Fish" be, you wonder.

"What is the Wind Fish?", you wonder...

そしてその目覚めにはどんな意味があるのでしょうか。
And what meaning is there to its awakening?

And what did its awakening portend?

見知らぬ南国の島コホリントで『風のさかな』をめぐる不思議な冒険が始まろうとしています。
On Koholint, this foreign island of the south, a mysterious adventure revolving around the "Wind Fish" is about to begin.

Your most mysterious adventure yet, following the riddle of the Wind Fish through the uncharted island of Koholint, is about to unfold.


Notes:
- First off, say goodbye to the "prophecy of the Legendary Hero". That detail was invented by NoA to tie in with ALttP, so it doesn't hold as evidence any longer.
- It was Hyrule's peace that was in Ganon's hands, not necessarily the country itself.
- No one is said to fear new threats except Link, who almost appears eager to face them. His journey seems not so much a necessity as a personal ambition.
- There's no information on the journey's duration, but one foreign country, at the least, was travelled.
- The comparisons of Marin and Zelda are less insistent.
- His sword is all Link wants, as in the game.
- The Wind Fish is a deity in his own right. But his name is given in quotation marks throughout, as if it was a nickname...
- Interestingly, Koholint Island is stated to be a southern land.

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Posted 30 March 2008 - 08:01 PM

I think I like NoA's translation a little more than the literal translation. >_> I mean, how much better is "Months of difficult travel passed. After a long and fruitful voyage, you breathed deeply the sea spray from the deck of the ship that carried you home to Hyrule. But your homecoming was not to be" compared to "One day, when your training in foreign countries was over, you were on your way sailing back to beloved Hyrule"?

It's strange that the threat of Ganon returning isn't mentioned, though. I mean, he even comes back in AST... I don't think this makes a huge difference, because of the Japanese site calling it a sequel to ALttP, but it's still annoying.

Edited by Impossible, 31 March 2008 - 01:59 AM.


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Posted 31 March 2008 - 01:58 AM

Some FSA stuff...

Ganon... I've heard that name before. No wait... It was Ganondorf...
But, no... That man was of the Gerudo tribe.
I can't imagine these creatures worshipping some desert nomad.


I call bullshit. Since when are the Gerudo nomadic? Anyway, this is probably one of the most important timeline quotes in FSA...

I'd also love to see the white maiden's discussion of the Dark Mirror, which I can't seem to find anywhere, if it was translated already. Dampe's explanation is kind of crappy and lacking detail, it seems more logical to use the explanation given by the maiden. he talks about the mirror in a couple of scenes, and it would be good to be sure about those.

Edited by Impossible, 31 March 2008 - 01:59 AM.


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Posted 31 March 2008 - 12:20 PM

It says Ganon is a nomad, which he was, he had been shunned from the Gerudo at that point. Besides, who says the Gerudo aren't nomadic? If you live in a desert, you kind of have to be.

Anyway, as for Link's Awakening, I prefer the NoA version as well. o.o Obviously NoA used some terminology from ALttP to tie it in better, but LA was always clearly intended as a sequel and the Japanese site to this very day still emphasises it being so.

- It was Hyrule's peace that was in Ganon's hands, not necessarily the country itself.

Oh come on, what difference does it make? Ganon threatens Hyrule's peace in exactly the same way in every game he appears. @.@

Edited by Fyxe, 31 March 2008 - 12:21 PM.


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Posted 31 March 2008 - 05:56 PM

Actually what we could really use now to complement this last, shocking translation, is (and Jumbie agrees with me on this) a translation of the true ending of the Oracle games, in particular the passage in which Zelda says Link has become a Legendary Hero.
I'd really like to see if that too was added during localization.

Unfortunately, we don't have a Japanese text dump of Oracles. Would, by chance, anybody here be able to take screenshots of that part of the ending from the Japanese version of these games?

Edited by Duke Serkol, 31 March 2008 - 06:01 PM.


#268 Impossible

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Posted 31 March 2008 - 06:59 PM

Besides, who says the Gerudo aren't nomadic?


OoT.

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Posted 31 March 2008 - 07:05 PM

No question that you like the NoA version better, it is the nicer story after all. Just be sure never to quote the invented parts from now on.^^

It's strange that the threat of Ganon returning isn't mentioned, though. I mean, he even comes back in AST...

Assuming LA is the sequel to Oracles, that wouldn't matter.

I call bullshit. Since when are the Gerudo nomadic? Anyway, this is probably one of the most important timeline quotes in FSA...

This caught my interested, so I'm currently sitting at it.

I'd also love to see the white maiden's discussion of the Dark Mirror, which I can't seem to find anywhere, if it was translated already.

I have that portion translated, but probably didn't post it yet. I'll do that soon.

LA was always clearly intended as a sequel and the Japanese site to this very day still emphasises it being so.

That page must be ancient. The reason it wasn't updated after Oracles' release will simply be that no one bothers to check. Or the responsible webmasters have never played Oracles, also possible.

Oh, anybody remember how Miyamoto said LA could go after any Zelda game?

- It was Hyrule's peace that was in Ganon's hands, not necessarily the country itself.

Oh come on, what difference does it make? Ganon threatens Hyrule's peace in exactly the same way in every game he appears. @.@

It makes possible that this Ganon was an indirect threat to Hyrule's peace (as in Oracles). That is no evidence, nothing in this translated portion is, but it greatly evens out the possibilities for either ALttP or Oracles being LA's prequel.

Anyway, we have no reason to start the LA placement debate anew. The Japanese LA makes it perfectly possible for Oracles to go before it, and that's all that matters here. You can go on placing LA after ALttP, it's perfectly possible as well.^^


That said, I now have a little interesting bit from OoT, which in some ways relates to the ongoing Hylian ears debate:

Someone:

あ、ウサギ!そういえば ウサギ おっかけてた ヘンな男が いたよ。
Oh, a rabbit! Speaking of rabbits, there was a strange man chasing them!

Oh! A rabbit! Speaking of rabbits, I saw a strange man chasing rabbits around...


Marathon man:

むかし、ハイラル平原には 野ウサギが たくさん いたそうだ。
In old times, I heard there were many wild rabbits in Hyrule Field.

In old times, I heard there were many wild rabbits in the land of Hyrule.

乱獲で いまは いないが…
But now with the excessive hunting, not anymore…

Not anymore, though, because of excessive hunting.

私は そのウサギに なりたい。
I'd like to become such a rabbit…

I want to become a rabbit…

その耳で 風を聞き、その足で 大地を 駆け抜けたい…
Listen to the wind with those ears, run around with those legs, I'd like that…

Listen to the wind with those ears, hop across the ground with those legs…

そう、気分だけでもね。
Well, just the feeling at least, no?

Even if I can only pretend.


その長い耳は、神の声を聞く…
Those long ears hear the voices of the gods…

I bet with those long ears you can hear the voices...

おお、まさに それこそ 伝説の動物 ウサギの耳!!
Ohh, they're with certainty the ears of the animal of legend, the rabbit!!

Oh, these are genuine rabbit ears from the animal of legend!


In particular pay attention to the second speech of his, when seeing Link wear the bunny hood.

Edited by Jumbie, 31 March 2008 - 07:12 PM.


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Posted 31 March 2008 - 07:36 PM

The Japanese LA makes it perfectly possible for Oracles to go before it


Keep in mind that ALttP and Oracles Link definitely CANNOT be the same, for many reasons that have been discussed in the past. There are some contradictions with LA, too, like Oracle Link's Triforce mark, and his apparent age.

And that line from OoT is just weird.




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