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[MikePetersSucks]

Talk about making stuff up! It's never really stated what the meaning behind the Sheikah Eye is but it certianly isn't some evil Shadow that being hurt and controlled by the Sheikah. It's the Sheikah Eye for crying out loud. If anything the implication is that it the all seeing eye that sees the truth, which is why the Lens of Truth is shaped like it. Same with the Sheikah Mask when worn supposively allows you to hear people's thoughts and the the gossip stone which tell you isoteric secrets about certian people or things. Who knows why it's crying? Maybe because the Sheikah are a bunch of emos. Who knows? Perhaps it's because the Sheikah are keepers of a dark secret of Hyrule's bloody past that everyone else would rather forget. The tear represents their remorse for those that died.

Quoted For Truth.

[Raien]

You're right, and so are the Goddesses, since the non-aligned Triforce is THEIR essence. Why would Darkness be the corruptive diametric opposite of NEUTRAL?

Because Darkness is the symbolic representation of Chaos which is opposite to the Order of the Triforce. AoL states that Ganon's power, which is Darkness, corrupts the Order.

Night does not corrupt. Darkness, by it's very nature, is the absence of light. Darkness only corrupted and destroyed because Ganon made it as such.

You're wrong if you assume Darkness = Night or the absence of Light within the context of Zelda.

TP actually explains why this is wrong:

There is a concept of opposites that the Goddesses created but it is Light and Shadow (Hyrule and Twilight Realm), not Light and Darkness. Ganondorf's power, which is Darkness, is stated to be different from Shadow altogether by both Zelda and Zant. In other words, we are dealing with a third power strictly that of Ganondorf. This is where Chaos comes in.

Impa, the Sheikah, and Midna.

Impa and the Sheikah are associated with Shadow, not Darkness.

The Twili tribe actually lost all the evil power that they possessed when they sealed in the Twilight Realm, so although descendants of evil people, the Twili, including Midna, are not primarily evil. Zant possesses Ganondorf's power so this explains why he is evil.

Light can't exist without darkness and vice versa. It's a logical fact, not a philosophical one.

Wrong. Light cannot exist without Shadow. TP has proved that Shadow is not Darkness.

You pulled that entirely out of your ass. Thus if you can do it, I can do it too. The Sheikah symbol is the Evil Eye of Shadow with a tear, meaning that shadow is repenting and using it's resources for the good of Hyrule.
Just like Ganon controls darkness and shadow. So if you're gonna use that arguement so that Shadow can't be represented in benevolence, HOW can you pull the double standard? Ganon is doing the exact same thing and forcibly controlling darkness and shadow and whatnot, so how does Ganon speak on Darkness's behalf? He doesn't.

Well, TP states that Shadow and Darkness are not the same force at all so I don't need to pull a double standard anymore.

In TP's ending, there is in fact a battle between the power of Shadow and the power of Darkness. Would this be possible if they were the same force?

Edited by jhurvid, 21 November 2006 - 10:28 AM.

[Alardonin]

Talk about making stuff up! It's never really stated what the meaning behind the Sheikah Eye is but it certianly isn't some evil Shadow that being hurt and controlled by the Sheikah. It's the Sheikah Eye for crying out loud. If anything the implication is that it the all seeing eye that sees the truth, which is why the Lens of Truth is shaped like it. Same with the Sheikah Mask when worn supposively allows you to hear people's thoughts and the the gossip stone which tell you isoteric secrets about certian people or things. Who knows why it's crying? Maybe because the Sheikah are a bunch of emos. Who knows? Perhaps it's because the Sheikah are keepers of a dark secret of Hyrule's bloody past that everyone else would rather forget. The tear represents their remorse for those that died.

I agree with that vision to an extent. Because that in itself is also an assumption and beleive me the "eye" goes far beyond only those assumptions. Also the tear could be a symbol that characterizes the Hylia betrayal and actually all of other stuff you have written, while being assumptions, are very well put.

[SOAP]

I like how jhurvid keeps ignoring my posts. It's awesome.

[Raien]

I like how jhurvid keeps ignoring my posts. It's awesome.

All you did was elaborate MikePetersSucks response so I simply answered his response so that you would get the message also.

There are three forces in TP: Shadow, Twilight and Darkness.

Shadow is the power that the Dark Tribe used to control the Sacred Realm but this was taken from the tribe by the Light Spirits and transformed into the object of Fused Shadows. In other words, the Twili do not possess Shadow powers in the Twilight Realm.

The Twilight Realm is a dimension that is connected to the power Shadow that exists as an antithesis to the realm of Light, Hyrule. It is not corruptive like Shadow is so the Twili live in peace within the realm although still hateful of the Hylians who sealed them away.

Darkness is Ganondorf's own power that he gives to Zant (after being sealed within the Twilight Realm) to transform the Twili into monsters and break the Twilight Mirror and thus the seal on the Twilight Realm.

Edited by jhurvid, 21 November 2006 - 10:23 AM.

[SOAP]

I don't know. I have to play the game myself but it seems you're reading too much into this. Shadow and Twilight just seem like varying degrees of Darkness, with Darkness being the purest of them all and Twilight being closer to Light:

Light << Twilight <> Shadow >> Darkness

[Raien]

I don't know. I have to play the game myself but it seems you're reading too much into this. Shadow and Twilight just seem like varying degrees of Darkness, with Darkness being the purest of them all and Twilight being closer to Light:

Light << Twilight <> Shadow >> Darkness

It is literally stated that Ganondorf's power is different from Shadow and much more powerful.

[LionHarted]

I would agree. Put Light, Shadow, and Darkness on a continuum, and Shadow falls somewhere in the middle. Hence the description of the twilight as "half-light."

[SOAP]

It is literally stated that Ganondorf's power is different from Shadow and much more powerful.

After reading your interepretation of the Sheikah Eye symbol, I'm inclined to disagree with you but again, I'll wait to play the game myself before I make a more solid arguement.

[Raien]

After reading your interepretation of the Sheikah Eye symbol, I'm inclined to disagree with you but again, I'll wait to play the game myself before I make a more solid arguement.

There is nothing wrong with my interpretation of the Sheikah Eye symbol. The symbol of Ganon's servants, such as Agahnim, has been the Evil Eye. The Sheikah seal away evil and thus their symbol is the Evil Eye with a tear. This whole "remorse" concept is what has been made up.

Anyway, here is the vid where Zant tells Link the power is different.

http://video.google....;q=TSA Twilight

EDIT: Actually this trailer is more specific. It shows Zelda telling Link the same information.

http://video.google....;q=TSA Twilight

Zelda in the ending says "Light and Shadow are two halves of the same coin. One cannot exist without the other." This explains how Hyrule and the Twilight Realm relate to each other metaphorically. Although they are not supposed to meet, the two forms coexist.

This is very different from what Zelda says about Darkness. "Where there is light to banish darkness, there is benevolence to banish evil." What she says is that light and darkness seek to destroy each other, they do not coexist like Light and Shadow because if one force is destroyed then the other will be destroyed as well. Also, she is making the direct connection between darkness and evil, just as Ganon is referred to as the King of Evil in the American translation of OoT and the King of Darkness in the original Japanese script.

Edited by jhurvid, 21 November 2006 - 01:18 PM.

[Alardonin]

There is nothing wrong with my interpretation of the Sheikah Eye symbol. The symbol of Ganon's servants, such as Agahnim, has been the Evil Eye. The Sheikah seal away evil and thus their symbol is the Evil Eye with a tear. This whole "remorse" concept is what has been made up.

Anyway, here is the vid where Zant tells Link the power is different.

http://video.google....;q=TSA Twilight

EDIT: Actually this trailer is more specific. It shows Zelda telling Link the same information.

http://video.google....;q=TSA Twilight

Zelda in the ending says "Light and Shadow are two halves of the same coin. One cannot exist without the other." This explains how Hyrule and the Twilight Realm relate to each other metaphorically. Although they are not supposed to meet, the two forms coexist.

This is very different from what Zelda says about Darkness. "Where there is light to banish darkness, there is benevolence to banish evil." What she says is that light and darkness seek to destroy each other, they do not coexist like Light and Shadow because if one force is destroyed then the other will be destroyed as well. Also, she is making the direct connection between darkness and evil, just as Ganon is referred to as the King of Evil in the American translation of OoT and the King of Darkness in the original Japanese script.

I'm sorry people i'm not exactly reading everything here. Agahnim is not exactly the only example you can use. Hmm i'm dying here...... Must resist the spoilers....... Just answer me this: Does TP prove anything or give us valuable info about the Sheikah people? A simple yes or no thats all i'm asking.

Edited by Alardonin, 21 November 2006 - 04:38 PM.

[Raien]

I'm sorry people i'm not exactly reading everything here. Agahnim is not exactly the only example you can use.

In general, the evil eye has been the exact same symbol in Zelda games. And you can distinguish it from Vaati's own evil eye symbol because with Vaati, the eye is wide open whereas with Ganon, the pupil is half shown. This is the evil eye in the Shadow Temple and on the Sheikah symbol.

Hmm i'm dying here...... Must resist the spoilers....... Just answer me this: Does TP prove anything or give us valuable info about the Sheikah people? A simple yes or no thats all i'm asking.

From what I've seen so far, none at all.

[MikePetersSucks]

I wouldn't be surprised as it was as simple as "Shadow" and "Darkness" being "good" and "Evil" interpretations of the same basic force or something ¬_¬

[Raien]

I wouldn't be surprised as it was as simple as "Shadow" and "Darkness" being "good" and "Evil" interpretations of the same basic force or something ¬_¬

Shadow is Light's opposite in the coexisting fashion that you referred to earlier. It is not evil by nature, but as a form of power in general, it can corrupt the soul just as much as any other form of power, which was why the Light Spirits sealed an embodiment of it away in the Light World.

I think the important thing to understand here is that in general discussion, words such as "shadow" and "light" have different meanings depending on the context that they are used. The use of the word "shadow" might not be referring to specific power but as simply a indirect representation of what we normally associate with "darkness". Remember that the distinction was only made in TP.

My interpretation is that Light and Shadow are opposites but only within the context that they cannot exist together, which was why the Twilight Tribe were banished to the Twilight Realm.

Light and Darkness are also opposites but in a more direct sense. Zelda says (rough quote) "As there is light to banish darkness, there is benevolence to banish evil". Light, as the forefront creation of the gods, possesses the extra context of good, whereas Darkness, as the chaotic force that seeks to destroy what the gods had made, possesses the context of evil.

PS: TP's backstory that describes how the Twilight Tribe was sealed into the Twilight Realm fits quite well with the Shadow Temple's background and at least solves the previous inconsistency in that respect.

Edited by jhurvid, 22 November 2006 - 12:13 PM.

[Doopliss]

Naturally, I won't read the entire thread before posting what I have to say. However, I have a general idea of what this thread is about.

The two times we have seen Ganondorf turn into Ganon he has either used the power of the Triforce or the Trident of Darkness. In OoT, he uses the Triforce to turn into Ganon, but he doesn't use the Trident. In FSA he uses the Trident, but he doesn't use the Triforce. We don't know when Ganon was created or how. Anyway, OoT implies that Ganondorf became Ganon using the power of the Triforce. The Triforce will have a different effect depending on the person who uses it. In FSA, Ganondorf isn't the reincarnation of OoT's Ganon, so there would be no reason for him to become Ganon since he has a different soul, in addition, he doesn't even use the Triforce. The only way to explain this, is that the spirit of Ganon is sealed in the Trident, that's why he can take over Ganondorf's body. My explanation is only based on one assumpption: the Triforce turned Ganondorf into Ganon. Everything else are facts. Any metaphysical discussion is irrelevant to the topic, since we can't know the true nature of the universe where Zelda games take place.

Jhurvid, your main point is that Ganon is a demon becasue there was a profecy about him. However, this is correctly explained by the prohpecy of the Great Cataclysm. Ganon is simply an evil human who touches the Triforce, therefore, a hero is destined to appear and defeat him. That's all.

[Raien]

In FSA, Ganondorf isn't the reincarnation of OoT's Ganon, so there would be no reason for him to become Ganon since he has a different soul, in addition, he doesn't even use the Triforce.

Zelda states in FSA that Ganon is an "ancient demon reborn".

The only way to explain this, is that the spirit of Ganon is sealed in the Trident, that's why he can take over Ganondorf's body.

1) Name one potential event where Ganon's spirit was sealed within the Trident. Provide evidence.
2) This explanation goes against the context of the inscription that the "Evil Spirit" is actually the title of the reader, which was Ganondorf.

My explanation is only based on one assumpption: the Triforce turned Ganondorf into Ganon. Everything else are facts.

The Triforce did turn Ganondorf into Ganon. How it creates this transformation is where the interpretation lies. Did the Triforce give a separate power to Ganondorf or did it simply empower Ganondorf's own evil magic? OoT and TP suggest to us that the Triforce of Power only empowered Ganondorf's evil magic; the power of Darkness. The pig form in FSA was also made of pure darkness, as we see Ganon in that form before he materialises.

Jhurvid, your main point is that Ganon is a demon becasue there was a profecy about him. However, this is correctly explained by the prohpecy of the Great Cataclysm. Ganon is simply an evil human who touches the Triforce, therefore, a hero is destined to appear and defeat him. That's all.

FSA and TP disprove your argument. I'm not going to repeat my entire explanation so you can read the last page or so to find it.

Edited by jhurvid, 30 November 2006 - 08:56 PM.

[Arturo]

1) Name one potential event where Ganon's spirit was sealed within the Trident. Provide evidence.

I am thinking of OoX... Twinrohva sacrifices her body to resurrect Geanon. He has a Trident. When he's killed by Link, it is possible that the spirit of Ganon remains in the Trident. The spirit of Ganondorf, on the other hand, wasn't in that body, because the resurrection was incomplete, so it reincarnated around FSA times.

2) This explanation goes against the context of the inscription that the "Evil Spirit" is actually the title of the reader, which was Ganondorf.

No, you are misunderstanding the quote. It doesn't say:

" You are the Evil...spirit of
...the... King of Darkness."

but

Evil...spirit of
magic trident.

You are...the...
King of Darkness.

There is a spirit OF the Trident, that makes YOU the King of Darkness. Your interpretation ignores that little fact of evil spirit OF MAGIC TRIDENT

And I think the transformation in the Evil King/King of Darknes/whatever happens because of his initial wish on the Triforce during OoT.

[Raien]

No, you are misunderstanding the quote.

There is a spirit OF the Trident, that makes YOU the King of Darkness. Your interpretation ignores that little fact of evil spirit OF MAGIC TRIDENT

"of the trident" =/= "within the trident"

The entire inscription, as I made perfectly clear in my first post, is talking to the reader. What you are arguing is that the entire context of the inscription changes just for that one sentence to prove your argument right.

The fact is that "Evil Spirit of Magic Trident." is also talking to the reader. The reader is Ganondorf, so the Evil Spirit is a title, just like the King of Darkness is his other title.

And I think the transformation in the Evil King/King of Darknes/whatever happens because of his initial wish on the Triforce during OoT.

1) Ganondorf never made a wish on the Triforce in OoT. That was why he searched for the pieces in TWW.

2) The complete transformation never occurs in OoT-TWW. Everytime he transforms into a beast form (with similarities to the pig, not actually the pig itself) and defeated by Link, he is forced to return to human form. Ganon did not have a human form after ALTTP/LoZ/FSA/Oracles to return to because the transformation was complete.

[Arturo]

"of the trident" =/= "within the trident"

But it is OF the Trident, it BELONGS to the Trident.

The entire inscription, as I made perfectly clear in my first post, is talking to the reader. What you are arguing is that the entire context of the inscription changes just for that one sentence to prove your argument right.

No, here is my reconstruction of the quote:

"Do you seek (to conquer?) the world? Do you seek power? Does your soul despise peace and has thirst for
more? Does your soul cry for destruction and conquest? We grant you the power to ruin the world. The
power of darkness, the Evil spirit of the magic trident. You are the King of Darkness."

Your reconstruction ignores that in the quote it says "spirit OF magic trident". It also ignores the fact that Ganon is an ancient Demon reborn, which is likely to be a refernce to the power to ruin the world.

1) Ganondorf never made a wish on the Triforce in OoT. That was why he searched for the pieces in TWW.

In OoT it is said that Ganondorf laid his hands on the Triforce, after that, it separated. But that doesn't mean he didn't make the wish. It seems to be more like in TWW, when the pieces abandon the King after him making the wish.

But that's just an interpretation, of course.

2) The complete transformation never occurs in OoT-TWW. Everytime he transforms into a beast form (with similarities to the pig, not actually the pig itself) and defeated by Link, he is forced to return to human form. Ganon did not have a human form after ALTTP/LoZ/FSA/Oracles to return to because the transformation was complete.

How do you know he can't return to his human form?
That is never stated.

We just don't see him returning, but taht doesn't mean he CAN'T

[Doopliss]

Zelda states in FSA that Ganon is an "ancient demon reborn".

Ganon is the ancient demon reborn, presumably the same person as OoT Ganondorf/Ganon. FSA Ganondorf is a human who has no connection with OoT Ganondorf. It is until he turns into Ganon that he becomes the acient demon reborn. We have no evidence to think that FSA Ganondorf is related to OoT Ganondorf.

1) Name one potential event where Ganon's spirit was sealed within the Trident. Provide evidence.
2) This explanation goes against the context of the inscription that the "Evil Spirit" is actually the title of the reader, which was Ganondorf.

1) Ganondorf became Ganon when he got the Trident.
2) This is speculation. There are no concrete facts to know what the text was referring to. As I mentioned above, FSA Ganondorf is a normal human, so there is no other explanation than saying that Ganon's spirit was sealed in the Trident.

The Triforce did turn Ganondorf into Ganon. How it creates this transformation is where the interpretation lies. Did the Triforce give a separate power to Ganondorf or did it simply empower Ganondorf's own evil magic? OoT and TP suggest to us that the Triforce of Power only empowered Ganondorf's evil magic; the power of Darkness. The pig form in FSA was also made of pure darkness, as we see Ganon in that form before he materialises.

This is exactly what the Triforce does. Its effects depend on the person who possesses it.

FSA and TP disprove your argument. I'm not going to repeat my entire explanation so you can read the last page or so to find it.

Sorry, could you at least quote your own post?

[Raien]

Your reconstruction ignores that in the quote it says "spirit OF magic trident". It also ignores the fact that Ganon is an ancient Demon reborn, which is likely to be a refernce to the power to ruin the world.

So what you are arguing is that the "demon" is in fact the power of darkness itself, not the soul that controls the power. So Ganondorf is not the demon, he is simply controlled by the demon... or is it that he is in control of the evil spirit and therefore the demon? Having two souls within the same body is confusing and speculative.

In OoT it is said that Ganondorf laid his hands on the Triforce, after that, it separated. But that doesn't mean he didn't make the wish. It seems to be more like in TWW, when the pieces abandon the King after him making the wish.

Except that the pieces didn't separate in TWW's ending and return to those destined to inherit the pieces because that would have returned the situation to Adult OoT all over again.

How do you know he can't return to his human form?
That is never stated.

We just don't see him returning, but that doesn't mean he CAN'T.

Ganondorf in OoT-TWW begins as a human and dies as a human.
Ganon in FSA begins as a human and dies as a beast.
Ganon in ALTTP begins as a human and dies as a beast.
Ganon in LoZ begins as a beast and dies as a beast.
Ganon in Oracles begins as a beast and dies as a beast.

Until we see positive evidence of it happening, you cannot argue possibilities.

[Arturo]

So what you are arguing is that the "demon" is in fact the power of darkness itself, not the soul that controls the power. So Ganondorf is not the demon, he is simply controlled by the demon... or is it that he is in control of the evil spirit and therefore the demon? Having two souls within the same body is confusing and speculative.

It's neither speculative, nor confusing. I will elaborate a bit more:

Ganondorf has two forms: the human form, that is an intelligent being, and the beast form, that is pure rage and bloodthirst. In the beggining, both forms coexisted in Ganondorf's soul, and it was the wish on the Triforce what gave it a physical form. When Ganon was resurrected by Twinrova in OoX, they were only able to summon the raging beast, and this beast remained within the Trident.
The Trident was possibly enshrined in the Pyramid, maybe by Ganon's followers, waiting for his return.
His human form, that wasn't evil per se, reincarnated as a normal male Gerudo, and was destined to guide his Tribe. But, because of the influence of the Trident, he became greedier and greedier, and he decided to look for that power. When he touched the Trident, his beast form and his human form were reunited.

End of the story

Edited by Arturo, 02 December 2006 - 03:56 PM.

[Raien]

It's neither speculative, nor confusing. I will elaborate a bit more:

Ganondorf has two forms: the human form, that is an intelligent being, and the beast form, that is pure rage and bloodthirst. In the beggining, both forms coexisted in Ganondorf's soul, and it was the wish on the Triforce what gave it a physical form. When Ganon was resurrected by Twinrova in OoX, they were only able to summon the raging beast, and this beast remained within the Trident.
The Trident was possibly enshrined in the Pyramid, maybe by Ganon's followers, waiting for his return.
His human form, that wasn't evil per se reincarnated as a normal male Gerudo, and was destined to guide his Tribe. But, because of the influence of the Trident, he became greedier and greedier, and he decided to look for that power. When he touched the Trident, his beast form and his human form were reunited.

End of the story

Heh. Makes good sense. I'll leave this argument... for now.

[Hero of Winds]

It's neither speculative, nor confusing. I will elaborate a bit more:

Ganondorf has two forms: the human form, that is an intelligent being, and the beast form, that is pure rage and bloodthirst. In the beggining, both forms coexisted in Ganondorf's soul, and it was the wish on the Triforce what gave it a physical form. When Ganon was resurrected by Twinrova in OoX, they were only able to summon the raging beast, and this beast remained within the Trident.
The Trident was possibly enshrined in the Pyramid, maybe by Ganon's followers, waiting for his return.
His human form, that wasn't evil per se reincarnated as a normal male Gerudo, and was destined to guide his Tribe. But, because of the influence of the Trident, he became greedier and greedier, and he decided to look for that power. When he touched the Trident, his beast form and his human form were reunited.

End of the story

I have one issue with your theory:

Aren't the Gerudo supposed to be extinct by TWW (which I'm assuming you place before OoX and FSA)? How could Ganondorf (i.e. his "human form") be reincarnated into a tribe that's already been wiped out by the "wind of death"?

[Doopliss]

That's a good explanation on the constitution of Ganon's essence, Arturo.

[SOAP]

I have one issue with your theory:

Aren't the Gerudo supposed to be extinct by TWW (which I'm assuming you place before OoX and FSA)? How could Ganondorf (i.e. his "human form") be reincarnated into a tribe that's already been wiped out by the "wind of death"?

Does it actually say the Gerudo are wiped out?Ganondorf said his people suffered, but there's no evidence taht they were wiped oiut. That's one of the things that pissed me off in TP. I thought since it was the cloesest game to OoT besides MM, they'd shed more light on the dissappearance of the Gerudo. So far it's as if they're pretending they never existed. Then we have FSA which has the the Gerudo as a more thriving and even peaceful race of nomads. This kinda temps me to place FSA between OoT and TP.

[Raien]

One thing that is important to remember is that Gerudo Desert is at "world's end". So although the Gerudo come into the storyline when Ganondorf's origins are explained, they generally remain out of the picture. Nothing infers they ever actually become extinct.

[Arturo]

I have one issue with your theory:

Aren't the Gerudo supposed to be extinct by TWW (which I'm assuming you place before OoX and FSA)? How could Ganondorf (i.e. his "human form") be reincarnated into a tribe that's already been wiped out by the "wind of death"?

I am Split Timeliner, so, for me, they are never wiped out during TWW, because it simply never happens in the timeline where OoX and FSA are. They don't appear in ALttP, but there are two reasons for that:

1 (From creators' point of view) How could Gerudos appear in a game, when they hadn't already been created. The primary idea already existed, as the "tribe of evil thieves", but they were not fully developed, as they were in OoT.

2(From historical point of view) The gerudos are a people "pure of heart", as said in FSA. Many of them, Nabooru's gang, celebrate Ganondorf's defeat in OoT. But in the legends they are portayed as an evil tribe, they are called "evil thieves" in legends of ALttP times. I think they might go into exile because of the way they are portayed in legends. But a long time passed, and everyone, even the Gerudos, forgot about Ganondorf, they didn't have any reason not to go to Hyrule, so they did so, and that is FSA.

[Hero of Winds]

2(From historical point of view) The gerudos are a people "pure of heart", as said in FSA. Many of them, Nabooru's gang, celebrate Ganondorf's defeat in OoT.

For some reason, I had completely forgotten that.

Maybe the Gerudo were originally an "evil" group of thieves, but turned a new leaf once Ganon, one of their own, started terrorizing Hyrule. The Gerudo celebrating Ganon's defeat at Lon Lon Ranch may've been their way of showing the other races that they've changed their ways, hence being referred to as "pure of heart."

The only reason I think the Gerudo were wiped out at some point between OoT and TP is because:

Gerudo Fortress still exists, but there aren't any Gerudo there.

[Raien]

Question: is it not possible that the Gerudo tribe left the Desert between OoT and FSA/ALTTP?