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#121 joeymartin64

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Posted 22 December 2011 - 05:38 AM

Oracles is also rally problematic in my personal opinion, and the third timeline has no explanation and is completely arbitrary. Honestly the whole thing seems so fanfiction-y I feel like they threw it together at the last minute.

I got the exact same impression. It was like they had the three games in front of them that seemed to carry on from OoT, but they'd already had it established that it had "two" endings, and someone was just like, "Hey, what if Link dies in one of them, and we make another ending that way?"

Also, Oracles going between ALttP and LA, and FS and FSA being separated just make it seem like this was put together by someone outside the know.

And since I've failed to do so until now, I'll thank Beno now. Sorry for being late to the party on that one. Mad ups, dude.

Edited by joeymartin64, 22 December 2011 - 05:39 AM.


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Posted 22 December 2011 - 06:29 AM

my explanation for lttp's inconsistencies has always been that it was released in 1991. :P

seriously though, if this is officially official it just gives me more excuses to ignore the party line and concentrate on my own interpretations of the stories, so go nintendo. ;d

Edited by hypercortisonism, 22 December 2011 - 09:03 AM.


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Posted 22 December 2011 - 07:08 AM

Edit: And I appreciate all the thanks. It's been a pleasure. I just want some more scans so we can get this shit figured out for realz.

p.110-113 Fully Translated. That wraps up everything I can do until we get some scans. I apologize for the lack of formatting on here. I know it makes it a little harder to read. In my word document it's all nice and bold and italicized in the right places. :P I think this should be error free, but I'm bad about missing typos, so let me know if you see anything that looks weird!

Page 110

Twilight Realm and the Hero's Descendants
Link, the Hero of Time, was victorious and Ganon's seal was successful. He returned to his original time and met with Princess Zelda, and a different history was spun.

Left Column:

Another History of the Hyrule Kingdom

Period of the Hero of Time (Child Era):
Ocarina of Time:

The Hero of Time's Return
By rewinding the time of his 7 years sleep with Zelda's power, Link returned to his original time.
He now went to Hyrule Castle's courtyard. Princess Zelda was watching Ganondorf as before when they first met.

Notice of the Future
Link told Princess Zelda what will happen in the future. She listened and so to prevent Ganondorf from entering the Sacred Realm, entrusted Link with the Ocarina of Time and instructed him to leave with it.
This time, the back of Link's hand was shining with the proof of the Triforce of Courage. Finished with the battle with evil from the future world, the hero carried the burden of the secret journey.

Majora's Mask:

Link's Departure
Link borrowed Epona from Lon Lon Ranch. And after several months of wandering looking for his past friend Navi, he was lost in a mysterious forest where there was a way to the parallel universe called Termina.

Right Column:

The Hero's Return
The place where Link returned was the Temple of Time. The Master Sword remained stuck before the time the Sacred Realm was opened. His friend Navi disappeared into the sky, and Link walked into the new history.

Triforce of Courage
The proof of courage was carried on the back of Link's hand. Since Ganondorf was sealed away with the Triforce of Power, the Triforce remained with the chosen ones of the Gods.

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Navi Leaves
Meeting Princess Zelda
Link and Epona
Link
Link Carrying the Hero's Crest


Page 111

Left Column:

Period of the Hero of Time (Child Era):
Majora's Mask:

Turmoil in Termina, the Parallel Universe

A World Destroyed After 3 Days
In Termina, the moon was gradually falling and in 3 days Termina would be destroyed. The child spirit called Skull Kid had stolen "Majora's Mask" from the traveling mask salesman, but the mask's terrible power was beyond the scope of the prank and it had an effect all over Termina.

Skull Kid mischievously stole the Ocarina of Time and Epona from Link and he was changed into the form of a Deku.

A New Friend
After retrieving the Ocarina of Time, Link was able to return to his original form by the mask salesman. He asked for Link to retrieve Majora's Mask in return. Concerned with Skull Kid's demeanor, Tatl also decided to help stop his excessive mischief.

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Termina
In this strange different world, there were many people who looked similar to the people of Hyrule.

Majora's Mask
This ominous mask was used in ancient magic.

The Fairy Tatl
Together with her brother Tael, this fairy was hanging around the mischievous Skull Kid. After being left behind when Skull Kid fled from Link, she and Link worked together.

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Termina's 4 Regions
In the middle there was a town called Clocktown with a clock tower, and there were different regions in each cardinal direction: the swamp of the Woodfall Region, the mountain of the Snowhead Region, the sea of the Great Bay region, and the valley of the Ikana Region. Since the Ikana Kingdom was destroyed, each region was ruled by a different tribe.

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Skull Kid and the Fairy Tael
Deku Link
Link and the Fairy Tatl
Mask Salesman
The Sisters Cremia and Romani resembled Hyrule's Malon
The Dead of the Ikana Region
The Deku Tribe of the Woodfall Region
The Goron Tribe of the Snowhead Region
The Zora Tribe of the Great Bay Region (The Zora Band, The Indigo-Go's)


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Left Column:

Period of the Hero of Time (Child Era):
Majora's Mask:

Unrest Hung in the Air of Clocktown
Link set out into the town called Clocktown. 3 days before the carnival there was disorder because the moon was falling. Day by day the moon grew larger.
Using the Ocarina of Time, Link was able to rewind three days before the moon fell. One by one, he received a mysterious mask for resolving each of the world's disasters and woke the four legendary sleeping giants.

The Four Giants and Majora's Mask
The fateful day. The four giants reach out their arms and grab the moon and halting the descent.
But the mastermind of the plot was Majora's Mask itself, who had been manipulating Skull Kid. Link pursued Majora's Mask inside the moon. Finally he fought a strange battle, transforming into the form of a Fierce Diety to exterminate Majora.
Majora's Mask was returned to the hands of the mask salesman, and the moon's terror vanished from the world.

On the night of the 3rd day, Clocktown celebrated safely and enjoyed the festival. The people Link had assisted were happy.
After the adventure in Termina, his subsequent whereabouts are unknown.

Right Column:

Mysterious Masks
They hold the souls of the dead, and when the mask is worn it changes the form of the wearer into that being's appearance. The masks transformed Link, allowing him to use abilities he couldn't as a human. Link also became the form of a Deku whose soul was lost in the forest connecting Termina and Hyrule.

Legend of the Giants
Skull Kid was friends with the guardian deities of each land. When they left on a mission to their lands, Skull Kid thought he had been abandoned and rampaged with Majora's Mask.

Bottom:

Clocktown and the Mayor's Family
In the heart of Termina, there was a large clock tower built in the center of town. The annual carnival was crowded with tourists from everywhere. The town was governed by the mayor's family, who were waiting on the marriage of Anju and Kafei, whose appearance Skull Kid had transformed into that of a child.

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Clocktown
Link using a mask
Zora Link
Goron Link
Fierce Deity Link
Skull Kid and the Moon
The Mayor
Madame Aroma
Kafei, changed into appearance of a child
Anju, his Fiancee


Page 113

Left Column:

Period of the Hero of Time (Child Era):
Twilight Princess:

The Demon Thief Ganondorf's Execution

Dark Clouds Threaten Hyrule
Meanwhile, the Hyrule Kingdom, with Princess Zelda's knowledge of future events from Link, the Hero of Time, accused Ganondorf of allowing the destruction of Hyrule.
Several years later, Ganondorf, the dreaded demon thief who had acquired evil magic, was to be executed at last.

The Arbiter's Grounds and the Mirror of Twilight
In the Arbiter's Grounds, Ganondorf was executed by six sages. However, Ganondorf was elected to not die by the Triforce of Power, and killed one of the sages. Panicking, the sages used the Mirror of Twilight to exile Ganondorf in the Twilight Realm.
At this time the sages were given the mission by the Gods to protect the Mirror of Twilight.

However, Ganondorf's malice went with him into the Twilight Realm, which threw the Twilight Realm into disorder.

Right Column:

Demon Thief Ganondorf
Carrying the proof of the Triforce of Power, Ganondorf acquired evil magic. This time axis's Ganondorf, who thought the Triforce of the Sacred Realm was untouched, concluded there must have been some disturbance since Link returned home with the Triforce of Courage.

Sages
More information of this time's sages like their names are unknown. From the emblems depicted on the sage's clothing they are known to be sages of light, forest, fire, water, shadow, and spirit.

Ganondorf's Malice
Ganondorf's malice increased from his wicked heart and hatred.

Bottom:

History of the Twilight Realm
In ancient times, the people were deeply religious and the world had long been at peace. But, eventually there was conflict over the Sacred Realm, Hyrule. Among the people, those appeared who excelled at black magic and with their super powerful evil magic tried to govern the Sacred Realm.
The Gods sent the four Light Spirits, who then sealed away the Fused Shadows. Additionally, they used the Mirror of Twilight to exile them to the Twilight Realm so that they would never be able to interact with the World of Light. The people living in the Twilight, came to be called the Twili.

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Ganondorf
Sage
Ganondorf's Execution
Exiled in the Mirror of Twilight

Edited by Beno, 22 December 2011 - 07:16 AM.


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Posted 22 December 2011 - 07:33 AM

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1. Skyward Sword
2. The Minish Cap
3. Four Swords
4. Ocarina of Time
Timeline A: Link is Killed by Ganon in OoT
5A. A Link to the Past
6A. Oracle of Ages/Oracle of Seasons
7A. Linkís Awakening
8A. The Legend of Zelda
9A. Zelda II: The Adventure of Link
Timeline B:
Link Defeats Ganon in OoT, Returns to His Boyhood Timeline, Continues From the Past
5B. Majoraís Mask
6B. Twilight Princess
7B. Four Swords Adventures
Timeline C:
Link Defeats Ganon in OoT, Returns to His Boyhood Timeline, Continues From the Future
5C. The Wind Waker
6C. Phantom Hourglass
7C. Spirit Tracks

thnaks to Pong20302000 for confirming this

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Posted 22 December 2011 - 08:17 AM

I think it's incredibly silly to have a gameover be canon, but there are a couple of things that I like about this.

Pros
We know that none of the old games take place in "New Hyrule" on the Adult Timeline.

We now know the order that the games go in. :lol:

Cons
The whole third timeline split that Nintendo pulled out of their asses.

Questions
Ok so we have the placement of ALTTP, OOX, and LA. But do we know for sure that ALTTP Link is OOX Link?

Edited by Hooded Warrior, 22 December 2011 - 09:23 AM.


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Posted 22 December 2011 - 08:45 AM

I'm loving how new faces are coming out of the woodworks because of this reveal. ;d

I'd add one more Pro.

They couldn't make everyone happy so they cut their losses and did the most logical thing at this point, make a timeline that'd piss everyone off.

Really, it's kinda badass if you think about it. My issue with the third split though, if they really wanteda third split, SS was the perfect oppurtunity to do so, but alas, SS ends in a stable loop instaed of split, even if it kinda seems like it might've ended in a split.

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Posted 22 December 2011 - 10:35 AM

I honestly am not ticked at all about the third split. I had always wanted ALttP to be a sequel to OoT, but both TWW and TP got in the way of that, so that it required tons of wrangling to get it to work. When I talked about the timeline to my friends, I would say something like, "And it's like they forgot about ALttP when they made the other games because they don't line up at all." Well, now it can be a sequel to OoT and the backstory lines up because of the knights dying to defend the sages. I think that's a reference to Link dying.

And am I the only one who supports TP-FSA? It was in my old timeline, so I literally have no qualms about where they put it.

Edited by Person, 22 December 2011 - 10:37 AM.


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Posted 22 December 2011 - 12:04 PM

In my butthurtedness I decided to make a timeline based on all this as canon. If Nintendo are so lazy they need to resort to out-of-universe 'what ifs' to make the timeline work when we theorists have been working with what we've got to make in-universe sense, then, well, let's what if everything that needs a what if. It's quite a nice timeline if you ignore the out-of-universe nature of some of the splits.

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Posted 22 December 2011 - 12:11 PM

I think it's incredibly silly to have a gameover be canon, but there are a couple of things that I like about this.


I would argue that it doesn't make a gameover canon, it merely makes all the old games and the Oracles into what ifs. Or it means there's a timeline for every possibility ever, in which case the ALttP timeline still isn't special at all. As it stands, I think this was their attempt at appeasing those who want a timeline with every game in it while still not needing to be beholden to the old 2D games.

Edited by FDL, 22 December 2011 - 12:12 PM.


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Posted 22 December 2011 - 12:12 PM

I have no problem with this timeline, because it incorporates all the games in a fair manner. I also don't see a problem with placing FSA where it is.

If you think about the ALTTP prong, it makes sense that in the manual for that game the Hero of Time is not mentioned nor touched upon. Instead of using a game over to say that Link was killed by Ganon you could use the manual to confirm that, indeed, Link was nowhere around to stop Ganondorf from taking the Triforce.

What I want to know is (if the Alttp spot ever gets translated) if Link was killed as a child before he could become the Hero of Time or if he was killed as the Hero. I think the first would make much more sense.

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Posted 22 December 2011 - 01:37 PM

Hmm...well, at first I was dumbfounded at several of the same oddities that everybody else picked up. But the more I think about it, the more it jives with what we know of the development of these games.

Take FSA. I (and many others) used to put it in front of ALttP, since that's clearly where the designers meant it to go and it explained how Ganon came back after being killed in TP (still does). Thing is, the gap between that and the Imprisoning War always bothered me, since it required a bit of a leap - Ganon escaping and playing out a series of events suspiciously like OoT. I've always (and still) blamed Miyamoto for this, since if he hadn't provoked a last-minute rewrite we'd simply have the story of the Imprisoning War and no debate at all. To me, FSA's story has always been the biggest bother, so for it to be totally divorced from ALttP really solves a problem that was never meant to exist. I'd wager that if FSA's story was left as is, TP's story would have probably been different and we'd all have a nice double-split.

FS and FSA being separate is...unusual to all of us. Certainly most of us assumed they were together, but...were they really ever?

The GBA Four Swords Zelda is what weíre thinking as the oldest tale in the Zelda timeline. With this one on the GameCube being a sequel to that, and taking place sometime after that.


I think we all assumed that he was talking off-the-cuff, but in light of this I'm having second thoughts.

Having a triple split is still bothersome to me, mostly because I want to know how it happens. Still, it does at least preserve the OoT-ALttP connections that were so clear to us all back in the good ol' days (at least, those of us who were split timeliners from the beginning). I do hope they give a slightly better explanation than "it's what happens after the Game Over screen," though. I guess in a series where the number three is so important, having three branches of the timeline has some poetic value.

...I can't justify OoX-LA, though. It doesn't cause any huge problems I can think of, but it just...feels wrong to me.

Edited by FŽanen, 22 December 2011 - 03:08 PM.


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Posted 22 December 2011 - 01:38 PM

seriously though, if this is officially official it just gives me more excuses to ignore the party line and concentrate on my own interpretations of the stories, so go nintendo. ;d

I want it on record that I wasn't the one to say this.

...Although I was absolutely thinking it.

Oh, and the reason people are tilting their heads at FSA isn't that it's after TP, but rather that FS doesn't directly precede it, which was always implied to have been the case.

Edited by joeymartin64, 22 December 2011 - 01:39 PM.


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Posted 22 December 2011 - 02:15 PM

...I can't justify OoX-LA, though. It doesn't cause any huge problems I can think of, but it just...feels wrong to me.

I would say this was one of the most obviously intended connections considering the two games. It's only the FS placement that gets me... unless...

Around 2:20.

Perhaps that is Midna sealing the evil spirit of Ganon in the Trident she created, explaining why he reverted to his human form in the battle with Link later. This would also maintain the link between the Dark tribe and the Interlopers in spite of the Mirror issue. The Dark tribe that were sealed in the mirror were said to have created the Trident, and if Midna used this tool of her tribe to seal the demon-ness of Ganon, then it fits pretty well with what we know... We still need a new explanation for the mirror, but who knows- there are two Time Gates, two lots of things, so maybe a second mirror hidden away somewhere?

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Posted 22 December 2011 - 02:19 PM

I find it kind of funny that people are getting bothered by FSA not being directly after FS. The very first timeline that I ever created had FS and FSA taking place far away from each other.

Edit: Why are people so upset about the mirrors in TP and FSA being different from each other? There was never any proof that they were one and the same.

Edited by Hooded Warrior, 22 December 2011 - 02:22 PM.


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Posted 22 December 2011 - 02:41 PM

Why does a three sided timeline sounds so familiar?

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Sorry Nintendo, we got here first!

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In any case, this means that in the Child Timeline, Ganondorf dies in Twilight Princess, but reincarnates in Four Sword Adventures out of the blue? That's awkward. He's now set up to be the same Ganondorf in every single game- except for in FSA.


Also, in regards to the Failed Hero Timeline (yeah I'm calling it that now), I would assume this timeline takes place on the condition that Link -never- went to the future in OoT. Events would have played out similar to Twilight Princess's backstory (but without Link's intel from the future), only Ganondorf would have won the war and eventually claimed the Triforce, only to get trapped in the Sacred Realm.

Edited by Masamune, 22 December 2011 - 02:49 PM.


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Posted 22 December 2011 - 02:46 PM

I knew it was only a matter of time before that was brought up XD

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Posted 22 December 2011 - 03:34 PM

You know, I don't actually have any issues with the timeline having a third prong. It keeps the old OoT-ALttP connection alive, and it doesn't need an extra explanations as to why it's there. The one issue I have with it, is that they're using a game over as canon. It does make sense and it is necessary for the OoT-ALttP connection, but it just doesn't feel right.

My other two complaints were the placement of FSA and OoX, though I think I'm okay with FSA now. Splitting FS and FSA doesn't really bother me any, I'm just glad that this put an end to the FSA being the IW theories.

OoX however still bothers me. As already established once before on our boards, it just fits best after AoL.



Edit: And as Fin said, with the official timeline released, now we can just focus on making our own fanon timelines.

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Posted 22 December 2011 - 03:42 PM

Ok so we have the placement of ALTTP, OOX, and LA. But do we know for sure that ALTTP Link is OOX Link?


Yea, this is bugging me; for the most part it's intuitive, but there's no indication of which games share an "era" or "Link."

Like, is LTTP/OOX/LA, or is it LTTP, then a few hundred years it's OOX/LA, or what?

They couldn't make everyone happy so they cut their losses and did the most logical thing at this point, make a timeline that'd piss everyone off.


I agree. If you're gonna kill timeline theory, do so with a massive troll. What a 25th anniversary gift, eh?

And am I the only one who supports TP-FSA? It was in my old timeline, so I literally have no qualms about where they put it.


It'd be fine if FS were together with FSA, seeing as how they're direct sequels and share a Link and Zelda.

In my butthurtedness I decided to make a timeline based on all this as canon. If Nintendo are so lazy they need to resort to out-of-universe 'what ifs' to make the timeline work when we theorists have been working with what we've got to make in-universe sense, then, well, let's what if everything that needs a what if. It's quite a nice timeline if you ignore the out-of-universe nature of some of the splits.


BETTER THAN THE OFFICIAL VERSION

FS and FSA being separate is...unusual to all of us. Certainly most of us assumed they were together, but...were they really ever?


FSA's prologue says they were.

In any case, this means that in the Child Timeline, Ganondorf dies in Twilight Princess, but reincarnates in Four Sword Adventures out of the blue? That's awkward. He's now set up to be the same Ganondorf in every single game- except for in FSA.


You're forgetting LOZ. No origin story there, even though he proceeds a dead Ganon. >:3

Ganon dies in every timeline, but he revives or reincarnates in every single one except Wind Waker's, probably due to Daphne's wish changing, like, everything.

Also, in regards to the Failed Hero Timeline (yeah I'm calling it that now), I would assume this timeline takes place on the condition that Link -never- went to the future in OoT. Events would have played out similar to Twilight Princess's backstory (but without Link's intel from the future), only Ganondorf would have won the war and eventually claimed the Triforce, only to get trapped in the Sacred Realm.


The Master Sword poses a problem. Lemme amend that. Link lifts the Master Sword, opening the portal and going to sleep for seven years. Ganon decides "You know what? Fuck this kid" and kills him in his sleep, then claims the Triforce, which doesn't split because there's no Hero.

Cue the Imprisoning War.

Edited by MikePetersSucks, 22 December 2011 - 03:43 PM.


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Posted 22 December 2011 - 03:43 PM

Let's get down to business.

Ganon
OOT Ganondorf= WW Ganondorf, TP Ganondorf, ALTTP Ganon, OOX Ganon(?), and LOZ Ganon(?)
FSA Ganon is a new Ganon.

Link
OOT Link gets two games.
ALTTP Link might be OOX Link.
LOZ Link gets two games.
WW Link gets two games.
MC Link is probably not FS Link.
OOX Link is LA Link.
MC, FS, FSA Link, TP Link, and ST Link only get one game.

Zelda
OOT Zelda is in one game(two if you count the flashback in MM).
ALTTP Zelda is only in one game unless she's OOX Zelda.
LOZ Zelda is only in one game.
Does anyone care about "Sleeping Zelda" anymore?
Tetra is in two games.
TP Zelda and ST Zelda are only in one game.

And SS Link and SS Zelda have only been in one game(so far).

Edited by Hooded Warrior, 22 December 2011 - 04:00 PM.


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Posted 22 December 2011 - 04:02 PM

Hmmm, interesting thought about Ganon. OoT Ganon is killed off in ALttP, TP, and WW in their respective timelines. OoX Ganon is just a failed resurrection of ALttP Ganon. In the DLT and CT Ganon reincarnates into LoZ Ganon and FSA Ganon, but not in the AT, as MPS already explained.

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Posted 22 December 2011 - 04:03 PM

I'm tempted to call the "classic" timeline where the Imprisoning War happens the Timeline of Power, the one where Zelda reveals him and he's executed the Timeline of Wisdom, and the one where Link aids in sealing him and the world is flooded the Timeline of Courage, just based on who "wins" in the immediate aftermath of OoT. Total silliness, but what the hell.

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Posted 22 December 2011 - 04:06 PM


seriously though, if this is officially official it just gives me more excuses to ignore the party line and concentrate on my own interpretations of the stories, so go nintendo. ;d

I want it on record that I wasn't the one to say this.

...Although I was absolutely thinking it.


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man, as long as we're talking time loops, my flood timeline is clearly the most sensible way of looking at things.

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Posted 22 December 2011 - 04:08 PM

I'm tempted to call the "classic" timeline where the Imprisoning War happens the Timeline of Power, the one where Zelda reveals him and he's executed the Timeline of Wisdom, and the one where Link aids in sealing him and the world is flooded the Timeline of Courage, just based on who "wins" in the immediate aftermath of OoT. Total silliness, but what the hell.

That's... actually not a bad idea. Though I think it would be better to think of it like this. The Timeline of Power is the one where Ganon succeeds in beating Link, the Classic Timeline. The Timeline of Wisdom should be where only Zelda is left to rebuild Hyrule, the Adult Timeline. The Timeline of Courage is the one that follows OoT Link into MM, the Child Timeline.

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Posted 22 December 2011 - 04:14 PM

timeline of winds, timeline of twilight, timeline of fail, imo

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Posted 22 December 2011 - 04:21 PM

Adult timeline, child timeline, what if timeline IMO.

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Posted 22 December 2011 - 05:12 PM

I'm tempted to call the "classic" timeline where the Imprisoning War happens the Timeline of Power, the one where Zelda reveals him and he's executed the Timeline of Wisdom, and the one where Link aids in sealing him and the world is flooded the Timeline of Courage, just based on who "wins" in the immediate aftermath of OoT. Total silliness, but what the hell.


Funny story, I actually joked in an AIM convo last night that this might be what the timelines are officially named or something; like there's three timelines, one for each Goddess or some nonsense.

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Posted 22 December 2011 - 06:30 PM

In any case, this means that in the Child Timeline, Ganondorf dies in Twilight Princess, but reincarnates in Four Sword Adventures out of the blue? That's awkward. He's now set up to be the same Ganondorf in every single game- except for in FSA.


You're forgetting LOZ. No origin story there, even though he proceeds a dead Ganon. >:3

Ganon dies in every timeline, but he revives or reincarnates in every single one except Wind Waker's, probably due to Daphne's wish changing, like, everything.


That's true. Though given we have no origin for him to go with, it feels more reasonable he's just another resurrection and not a straight up reincarnation like in FSA.

Also, in regards to the Failed Hero Timeline (yeah I'm calling it that now), I would assume this timeline takes place on the condition that Link -never- went to the future in OoT. Events would have played out similar to Twilight Princess's backstory (but without Link's intel from the future), only Ganondorf would have won the war and eventually claimed the Triforce, only to get trapped in the Sacred Realm.


The Master Sword poses a problem. Lemme amend that. Link lifts the Master Sword, opening the portal and going to sleep for seven years. Ganon decides "You know what? Fuck this kid" and kills him in his sleep, then claims the Triforce, which doesn't split because there's no Hero.


Seems tricky, since it's 'what if Ganon was genre savvy?' as a basis for a timeline. Having the ALttP outcome be the 'original timeline' where no time travel shenanigans were involved seems the most appropriate. And to clarify, I guess this would mean Link would have been allowed to wield the Master Sword despite his young age and not be flung into the future. Which is still a 'what if', but seems better linked to the other two.

Edited by Masamune, 22 December 2011 - 06:32 PM.


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Posted 22 December 2011 - 06:41 PM

That's true. Though given we have no origin for him to go with, it feels more reasonable he's just another resurrection and not a straight up reincarnation like in FSA.


I don't know, all these resurrection rituals involve killing Link or Zelda it looks like; I doubt that's what's happening.

Seems tricky, since it's 'what if Ganon was genre savvy?' as a basis for a timeline. Having the ALttP outcome be the 'original timeline' where no time travel shenanigans were involved seems the most appropriate. And to clarify, I guess this would mean Link would have been allowed to wield the Master Sword despite his young age and not be flung into the future. Which is still a 'what if', but seems better linked to the other two.


Link sleeping for seven years is not time travel.

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Posted 22 December 2011 - 06:44 PM

See, this is why I never liked split timelines - if you can split for OoT's time travel, why not split for everything else? It's really easy to put the games in order if we can slit off whenever we like! But it's a total coppout, so you wouldn't suggest it seriously on a timeline forum because everyone would just say it's a total copout. Oh wait, Nintendo's cool with coppouts? Okay, fine, it works. Pretty much.

I'd say OoX/LA has to be one Link a long time after ALttP. Makes more sense, since Zelda doesn't know Link in OoX. ALttP ends with Link wishing the whole world is put to rights again, then he keeps the triforce in some castle and years later another Link rides by just as Twinrova is planning to resurrect an ancient evil yada yada yada. That works fine, the only iffy bit is having LA as a sequel to OoX instead of ALttP. Throws original intent out of the window in return for "Hey, it's a boat! The Capcom guys made a boat!" but still works pretty much the same. No biggy.

FSA separate from FS? It's pretty heavily implied it's the same Link involved in both games, so splitting them up is pretty bizarre. I guess we can assume they were actually different Links, and that the four sword has just been sitting in some out of the way place during the whole of TP. Seems odd that in a temple guarded by the royal family they wouldn't have thought to use it at any time. I guess they didn't want Vaati escaping. But then they just let him out in FSA anyway. Yeah, that's a bit of a plothole.

As for OoT's bad ending, I guess there are several ways it could have gone down, but it looks like the one they're shooting for is:

Ganondorf defeats Link in the final battle. He takes the ToC from Link's corpse, and the ToW from the imrisoned Zelda, completing the triforce. The six sages somehow manage to rescue Zelda whilst he's distracted. Ganondorf enters the Sacred Realm to build up his army. The army attacks Hyrule, as the sages frantically search for a replacement hero to wield the Master Sword. Failing to find anyone, they resort to their backup plan and seal the Sacred Realm, a la IW.

Unless of course they plan on an earlier split. How about an OoT where Link's mother never takes him to Kokiri forest? Link grows up in Hyrule Castle, becoming a knight of Hyrule. Without Zelda + Link opening the SR early, Ganondorf takes longer to break into it himself, possibly learning enough triforce lore to prevent it splitting. He enters as in IW, and attacks Hyrule. Link is one of the valiant knights who defend the castle until the sages complete their seal, and can then pass his bloodline down to his descendants amongst the knights.

Well, I guess we'll see what they plump for later.

In any case...

seriously though, if this is officially official it just gives me more excuses to ignore the party line and concentrate on my own interpretations of the stories, so go nintendo.


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Posted 22 December 2011 - 07:15 PM

I have a lot to say, but I want to wait until all information is available to be sure. Too many people are jumping the gun with theories before we have the translation. Though from what we've seen so far I highly suspect that the explanation for the third timeline will be totally unsatisfactory and leave a lot of gaps. Even the explanations so far, for things we COULD infer reasonably from the games, are very sparse and bare-bones, and require a bunch of speculation to make any sense. And this is something they've never even hinted at before.

I do want to get in on this naming stuff before we get something shitty. At first I was thinking Downfall Timeline or something, because I remembered seeing that as one translation of that section of the book. But really, I suppose Classic Timeline would suffice.

Edit: OH! Better one: Imprisoning War Timeline.

Edited by Impossible, 22 December 2011 - 07:17 PM.





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