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#91 Jumbie

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Posted 24 May 2008 - 07:11 PM

And what of the King's daughter and her brother?

They can either appear before TWW, or after, with the Triforce of Courage being hidden in the Great Palace after.

King Daphnes simply cannot be the great AoL king. If you wanna know why, re-read AoL's manual.

3) Morals of single stories don't have to and often don't apply to entire series.

And you're still contradicting the king's wish for Hyrule's destruction.

Where's that quote from?

It's from the beginning of PH:

Princess Zelda, we're nearly
at that spot in the sea!

I told you not to call me
Zelda!
Tetra worked just fine
before, you know.

But...you're the princess of
a whole kingdom!
I can't go treating you
like a pirate.

You'd better start trying,
Mako!
I may be a princess, but
I'm a fearsome pirate.
I'm traveling the world in
search of new lands.
And I'm the leader of you
salty lot. I'm Tetra!



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Posted 24 May 2008 - 07:28 PM

And they will think of her as Princess Zelda whether she likes it or not.

Don't act like you have any say about that

The pirates call her that against her wishes in PH.

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Posted 24 May 2008 - 11:20 PM

1) "Washed away" can't possibly be metaphor?
2) "This ancient land of Hyrule" can't possibly refer to the kingdom instead of the geographical location?
3) What, is there going to be a gaping hole to the earth's core where Hyrule used to be?

Lake Hylia is where the Village of the Blue Maiden is shown in FSA.
The Dark Tower corresponds roughly to Ganon's Tower in TWW, which explains why he turns it into his fortress.
That there is a village devoted to maidens does definitely correspond with villages being devoted to sages in LoZ.

How come whenever you respond with "maybe this maybe that" posts I have to accept them, but when I pose these kind of answers its never supported by "precedent".

Link =/= Royal Family. He's never even implied to be king in ALttP, and neither does the Triforce pass to the king in the ending.

Daphnes was the Triforce's owner in TWW, though. The Triforce could be "leaving the scene" to go anywhere, including to be "left behind" for a new king to reunite in AoL. Same could be true of Oracles. More than likely, though, is that one of these games has the Triforce returning to the Sacred Realm. I prefer Oracles, of the two, because TWW does set up nicely for a scenario in which a "new king" should be found (since they want to build a new country). Oracles also concludes the LoZ Ganon arc nicely by completely eliminating his revival cult, which seems to serve as more of a conclusion to the Triforce's activity than TWW's open-ended ending.

Again, see my first reply. The king died in the end, so why should it stay in his family or whatnot? Besides, Tetra has all the implications of not carrying on the bloodline of the royal family, so the royal family would be demolished. So why does a new royal family appear magically, as if the new inhabitants know exactly what the laws and customs were in a land that was washed away?

And of course there isn?t going to be a hole in the earth. To answer this, is the planet Hyrule is on flat, or was the entire world flooded? Heavy stuff man.

1) The maidens seal the FS away at the end of FSA. (Note: This is a certifiable fact, although my interpretation of the implications of this is not.)
2) By creating portals that lead there, presumably.
3) I never said it wasn't the same Hyrule territory, just not the same kingdom.
4) Possibly, but doubtful.

1) You're interpretation.
2) 3) 4) Now just more guessing.

1) AoL Hyrule isn't Old Hyrule? And it's in relative proportion to where it should be relative to Death Mountain, if we take Goron Island to be Death Mountain (which I do).
2) Not necessarily.
3) It doesn't have to...


1) The location of the Great Sea PH took place in was not relative to the Great Sea of WW, which means it wasn?t above the land of Hyrule, so any islands seen in PH are of different parts of the world that are flooded. To say AOL Hyrule is the old ?territory? of Hyrule you assume the water is drained. Your theory states the islands were connected by the Deku Tree or by founding a new land. You have to choose one and stay constant. You can?t use each one to argue different points because you argument wouldn?t be sound.
2) If the islands are all the mountain tops of Hyrule, should Maze Island be a mountain in Hyrule? If not it would be flooded.
3) Whowhatwhenwherewhyhow?

Says who?

And AoL is said to be the fulfillment of a wait for a new king to unite the Triforce anyway.

Tetra doesn't want to be the princess. Tetra is the last surving member of the royal family. Therefore, no more royal family and no way the AOL backstory can even connect to WW.

Maybe if you stopped treating me like an opponent, we can actually get somewhere, and maybe discuss your/my thoery without having to worry about its validity.

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Posted 24 May 2008 - 11:54 PM

Tetra doesn't want to be the princess.

She doesn't want to be called Zelda...doesn't mean she doesn't want to be the princess.
Not to mention, she's like a 12 year old girl, so it's very possible that she would be more willing to accept that role of responsibility when she's older.

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Posted 24 May 2008 - 11:57 PM

Tetra doesn't want to be the princess.

She doesn't want to be called Zelda...doesn't mean she doesn't want to be the princess.
Not to mention, she's like a 12 year old girl, so it's very possible that she would be more willing to accept that role of responsibility when she's older.

So why discover a new land, name it Hyrule against the kings wishes, and then make sure all the girls are named Zelda even though she doesn't like the name.

Edited by NM87, 24 May 2008 - 11:58 PM.


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Posted 25 May 2008 - 12:04 AM

Tetra doesn't want to be the princess.

She doesn't want to be called Zelda...doesn't mean she doesn't want to be the princess.
Not to mention, she's like a 12 year old girl, so it's very possible that she would be more willing to accept that role of responsibility when she's older.

So why discover a new land, name it Hyrule against the kings wishes, and then make sure all the girls are named Zelda even though she doesn't like the name.

The king just didn't want it to be Old Hyrule. He wanted that washed away. I doubt he really cared about its name. It's just the principle of it not being the same land. And seeing as Link/Tetra discovered their heritage, I see no conflict with a descendant of theirs being the sleeping Zelda.

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Posted 25 May 2008 - 12:09 AM

Tetra doesn't want to be the princess.

She doesn't want to be called Zelda...doesn't mean she doesn't want to be the princess.
Not to mention, she's like a 12 year old girl, so it's very possible that she would be more willing to accept that role of responsibility when she's older.

So why discover a new land, name it Hyrule against the kings wishes, and then make sure all the girls are named Zelda even though she doesn't like the name.

The king just didn't want it to be Old Hyrule. He wanted that washed away. I doubt he really cared about its name. It's just the principle of it not being the same land. And seeing as Link/Tetra discovered their heritage, I see no conflict with a descendant of theirs being the sleeping Zelda.

Well, he said it would not be "Hyrule" not specifically "My old Hyrule". The conflict with the sleeping Zelda having relation to Tetra is that she wants to be a pirate, and to assume she grows up and takes responsibility is...unlikley. Plus I stated Tetra doesn't like the name Zelda, so that name would be washed away with Hyrule.

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Posted 25 May 2008 - 11:56 AM

Okay now, to make it short (because that particular TWW translation will only come after all others have been posted):
The king wishes in Japanese TWW that the Gods "get rid of" Hyrule, instead of "wash away".

Not to mention, she's like a 12 year old girl, so it's very possible that she would be more willing to accept that role of responsibility when she's older.

The responsibility which who exactly will tell her to take on? Don't say King Daphnes; Tetra isn't bound to follow words that he already retracted by the act of destroying Hyrule.

The king just didn't want it to be Old Hyrule. He wanted that washed away. I doubt he really cared about its name. It's just the principle of it not being the same land. And seeing as Link/Tetra discovered their heritage, I see no conflict with a descendant of theirs being the sleeping Zelda.

This land will not be Hyrule. = This land will have a different name.

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Posted 25 May 2008 - 03:03 PM

The responsibility which who exactly will tell her to take on? Don't say King Daphnes; Tetra isn't bound to follow words that he already retracted by the act of destroying Hyrule.


By that same logic she's not obligated to call the land something new, either. She's the princess by blood, and she can call the land whatever she wants to. The old kingdom is washed away regardless.

This land will not be Hyrule. = This land will have a different name.


The fact that a land called Hyrule exists in post-TWW games suggests otherwise, unless you end a timeline with TWW/PH.

Edited by Chaltab, 25 May 2008 - 03:03 PM.


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Posted 25 May 2008 - 03:16 PM

King Daphnes simply cannot be the great AoL king. If you wanna know why, re-read AoL's manual.


I've read it.

If you can postulate that there are more than two timelines, I can postulate that AoL's backstory has two separate kings, one for the first generation Princess Zelda, one who hides the Triforce prior to AoL.

And you're still contradicting the king's wish for Hyrule's destruction.


How? Hyrule was still destroyed.

Where's that quote from?

It's from the beginning of PH:

Princess Zelda, we're nearly
at that spot in the sea!

I told you not to call me
Zelda!
Tetra worked just fine
before, you know.

But...you're the princess of
a whole kingdom!

I can't go treating you
like a pirate.

You'd better start trying,
Mako!
I may be a princess, but
I'm a fearsome pirate.

I'm traveling the world in
search of new lands.
And I'm the leader of you
salty lot. I'm Tetra!



#101 Chaltab

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Posted 25 May 2008 - 04:21 PM

I think it seems that Tetra considers herself both Princess and Pirate, though pirate seems to take priority until they find said new lands.

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Posted 25 May 2008 - 04:47 PM

The responsibility which who exactly will tell her to take on? Don't say King Daphnes; Tetra isn't bound to follow words that he already retracted by the act of destroying Hyrule.

By that same logic she's not obligated to call the land something new, either.

No, my logic is that the king once wanted Zelda to carry on the kingdom of Hyrule after TWW. But by destroying Hyrule, he retracted that obligation from her.
Instead, he replaced it with something new: he gave the children the chance to do their own thing. And whichever way you twist it, re-founding an ancient kingdom is far from their own thing, thus it will never come to pass.

She's the princess by blood, and she can call the land whatever she wants to. The old kingdom is washed away regardless.

Since when does being a princess lie in the blood? When a dynasty ends, it ends.

But well, if you must have it: Even if Tetra were to call the new land Hyrule - it would not be Hyrule anymore! By the Triforce's wish.

This land will not be Hyrule. = This land will have a different name.

The fact that a land called Hyrule exists in post-TWW games suggests otherwise, unless you end a timeline with TWW/PH.

Oh come on now! :blink: I'll break the news to you: half of all the theorists believe exactly that the timeline ends with TWW+PH.
Seriously, when you come around telling me about "the fact that a land called Hyrule exists in post-TWW games", you're only ridiculing yourself, since my posts have made it crystal clear that my opinion is there don't exist any post-TWW games apart from PH. Please don't think what you're doing is trying to convince me of the contrary - to try that, you'd have to bring on some evidence.

If you can postulate that there are more than two timelines, I can postulate that AoL's backstory has two separate kings, one for the first generation Princess Zelda, one who hides the Triforce prior to AoL.

Oh my, I see where you're coming from. davogones, too, once theorized there might be two separate AoL kings. I never agreed with that, because the AoL manual is one consistent thing in itself. I outright exclude this possibility due to lack of any reason to forcefully destroy the manual's inner consistency. Same thing with ALttP's manual, of course.

And you're still contradicting the king's wish for Hyrule's destruction.

How? Hyrule was still destroyed.

Just one question: What did the king destroy Hyrule for?

I may be a princess, but
I'm a fearsome pirate.

So what? She's a pirate princess until the day she dies. And then it's all over.

Edited by Jumbie, 25 May 2008 - 04:48 PM.


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Posted 25 May 2008 - 06:31 PM

So what? She's a pirate princess until the day she dies. And then it's all over.

Are you implying she will never bear children? Because it was Tetra's bloodline that made her a princess in TWW, and the same could be said for her descendants.

But no, I'm not arguing that Hyrule will be brought back or the Royal Family restored; TWW told me enough to conclude that all such arguments were futile. What I am arguing is that neither does TWW imply that these things will not come to pass.

Remember that, just like in TP, the events of TWW were 'tied to fate' as Gohdan puts it. That is why, when Ganondorf died and Hyrule was destroyed, all ties were broken; "And let our destinies finally be fulfilled..." Is what the King says, and what right do we have to deny his wish? And when you consider Ganondorf's final words in TP, there can be no doubt about the meaning of that wish...

This much is clear about TWW: it really could be the end of the series...

...but not of the legend. The game does not imply an end - it sets Link and Zelda on a quest to find a new sacred land. Indeed, I find it highly unlikely the goddesses would just abandon them ? and the King did not wish for that either. Will they find it? Only Nintendo could tell us that. Personally, I hope for a gaiden series of sorts, and Aonuma has hinted at something to that extent.

So anyway, I'm sure we could all debate the meaning of the King's wish or what is implied in PH, but I think that's pointless as of now. To put it bluntly, Nintendo does not have any obligations of making another game set after TWW, and if they do we can consider us happy. Until then though, there is nothing but pointless bickering to be had in this debate.

Not that I expect the poeple who do not care about Nintendo's intentions (you know who you are) to care about this post either.

Edited by Hero of Legend, 25 May 2008 - 07:15 PM.


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Posted 25 May 2008 - 11:41 PM

So what? She's a pirate princess until the day she dies. And then it's all over.

Are you implying she will never bear children? Because it was Tetra's bloodline that made her a princess in TWW, and the same could be said for her descendants.

Its not like she will train them to be good princesses, they are going to be good pirates.

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Posted 26 May 2008 - 01:01 AM

The responsibility which who exactly will tell her to take on? Don't say King Daphnes; Tetra isn't bound to follow words that he already retracted by the act of destroying Hyrule.

By that same logic she's not obligated to call the land something new, either.

No, my logic is that the king once wanted Zelda to carry on the kingdom of Hyrule after TWW. But by destroying Hyrule, he retracted that obligation from her.
Instead, he replaced it with something new: he gave the children the chance to do their own thing. And whichever way you twist it, re-founding an ancient kingdom is far from their own thing, thus it will never come to pass.


If they make the choice to do it, it's their own thing. Even if it's not what Daphnes wanted.

Since when does being a princess lie in the blood? When a dynasty ends, it ends.


Isn't the very definition of a princess the daughter of a King and/or Queen?

On top of that, Tetra wasn't just 'the princess of Hyrule'--she was Princess Zelda. When the Triforce was reunited, her skin color changed, her hair changed, her clothing changed. Obviously the Triforce itself sees significance in the Royal bloodline whether Daphnes does or not.

But well, if you must have it: Even if Tetra were to call the new land Hyrule - it would not be Hyrule anymore! By the Triforce's wish.


Technically he wished for the then-present Hyrule to be destroyed and hope for the future. "That Land Will not be Hyrule, it will be YOUR land." is spoken after the Triforce leaves.

Oh come on now! :blink: I'll break the news to you: half of all the theorists believe exactly that the timeline ends with TWW+PH.
Seriously, when you come around telling me about "the fact that a land called Hyrule exists in post-TWW games", you're only ridiculing yourself, since my posts have made it crystal clear that my opinion is there don't exist any post-TWW games apart from PH. Please don't think what you're doing is trying to convince me of the contrary - to try that, you'd have to bring on some evidence.


Well you and 'half of all the theorists' can believe that, but there's no evidence that TWW/PH ends a timeline either. The game provides two outs in itself for a 'return' of sorts: Deku Tree's seeds and the potential finding of a new land. This matter is entirely speculation, and hence I was arguing from an assumption. The important thing to take from the game is that things change and that we need to move on rather than living in the past.

But just because there's a new Kingdom doesn't mean it can't have the same name. How many different governments do most nations of the real world go through and retain the same name?

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Posted 26 May 2008 - 01:58 AM

I think the persona of "Princess Zelda" is whoever the chosen person is who bears the title "princess of destiny". Therefore, all princesses who are destined to be chosen somehow end up with the name Zelda. The three chosen ones are always the same: a Link, a Zelda and Ganondorf. So there must be some mystical force that binds them together along with the names.

To put it plainly, the theory of a new Hyrule ending up with a Princess Zelda might not be so unlikely. Although, the theory of a new Hyrule is still a cloudy argument. For what reason would this land be Hyrule? Consider that there are those like Sturgeon, scattered across the Great Sea with books about the old kingdom and perhaps the people read these books and name the locales of this new land after those mentioned in the books.

The only problem is, most of these "new locales" match the "old locales" positions on a map. Theres always a desert, lake, forest, water source, mountain, castle and field. All in the same place. Guess you gotta believe.

Edited by NM87, 26 May 2008 - 01:59 AM.


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Posted 26 May 2008 - 04:34 AM

Its not like she will train them to be good princesses, they are going to be good pirates.

Do you know that? No. Did it matter in TWW? No.

I think the persona of "Princess Zelda" is whoever the chosen person is who bears the title "princess of destiny".

That's true, but can we say for certain there will ever be another princess of destiny after TWW? Not really, that would go against the intentions of the ending. It's not impossible, but Nintendo needs to tell us so before we can assume the King's wish did not affect that.

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Posted 26 May 2008 - 08:00 AM

Here's something I noticed. When Hyrule was flooded for the first time, Zelda became Tetra. When the King reunited the Triforce of Wisdom, Tetra became Zelda again. When the King flooded Hyrule, Zelda became Tetra for the final time.

So Zelda's form appears to be symbolically tied to Hyrule and its' symbol; the Triforce. When Hyrule was flooded and the Triforce returned to the heavens (or the Sacred Realm, but you can surely see the symbolism of "returning to the heavens", since that is where the goddesses came from), Zelda lost her connection to Hyrule and thus became Tetra. So while Tetra is still the princess by blood, she no longer has the duties of the Princess Zelda.

Edited by Raian, 26 May 2008 - 08:01 AM.


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Posted 26 May 2008 - 08:22 AM

Well, I'm not denying Zelda's significance as the symbol of Hyrule (the Triforce symbolizes the power of the gods, I believe, so I don't agree about that part) but I don't think so.

It is, after all, a known fact that the Triforce pieces have transfigurative properties, and as I see it, when Tetra turned into Zelda, it was no different from when Ganondorf turned into Ganon, or when Link turned into a wolf in TP. The parallelism between Sheik and Tetra is fairly obvious as well, and people have speculated the Tetra persona is acually a disguise of sorts. At any rate, in each of these cases, the power of the gods is used to reveal their true nature. As such, it is no surprise that Tetra turned back when she no longer possessed the ToW, even without the King?s wish. Therefore, I don?t think it means anything.

Edited by Hero of Legend, 26 May 2008 - 08:27 AM.


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Posted 26 May 2008 - 08:30 AM

(the Triforce symbolizes the power of the gods, I believe, so I don't agree about that part)


The Triforce is the power of the gods, and it is used as Hyrule's symbol by the Royal Family. I think it ties to the symbolism quite well, but hey, if you still disagree, I won't say anymore.

Edited by Raian, 26 May 2008 - 08:31 AM.


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Posted 26 May 2008 - 09:27 AM

Fair enough. I just wanted to say I'm going by what OoT says: that the goddesses left behind the Triforce as a symbol of their power. If the Hylians latter adopted it as their insignia, that's still not what it was truly meant to represent.

Edited by Hero of Legend, 26 May 2008 - 09:34 AM.


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Posted 26 May 2008 - 11:35 AM

Do you know that? No. Did it matter in TWW? No.


I don't need to know it, If Tetra has children of course she is going to teach them to be good pirates. She has a passion for being a pirate, so why would she teach her daughters to be princesses, a position she can't stand? Besides, the word Tetra means popular aquarium fish, jus o layer the argument of Tetra being a pirate forever.

That's true, but can we say for certain there will ever be another princess of destiny after TWW? Not really, that would go against the intentions of the ending. It's not impossible, but Nintendo needs to tell us so before we can assume the King's wish did not affect that.


No we cannot, and I am not supporting the idea of another Zelda/Hyrule after WW. I'm not supporting anything anymore, I'm simply throwing it out there that its very possible, even though Nintendo hasn't come down here and told us all. Also, the Kings intentions/wishes weren't for there not to be another ?princess of destiny? or anything else tied to the Triforce, he simply wished for Hyrule to be washed away.

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Posted 26 May 2008 - 11:54 AM

On top of that, Tetra wasn't just 'the princess of Hyrule'--she was Princess Zelda. When the Triforce was reunited, her skin color changed, her hair changed, her clothing changed. Obviously the Triforce itself sees significance in the Royal bloodline whether Daphnes does or not.


The Triforce doesn't judge. Daphnes is the one who reunited the Triforce of Wisdom and gave it to Zelda, so it was probably his choice to transform her.

But just because there's a new Kingdom doesn't mean it can't have the same name. How many different governments do most nations of the real world go through and retain the same name?


How many natural disasters, physical landmass transitions, population replacements, and history wiping do most nations go through while retaining the same name. None. Even if you just use one of those, it's very unlikely, probably impossible with all of those.

As such, it is no surprise that Tetra turned back when she no longer possessed the ToW, even without the King?s wish. Therefore, I don?t think it means anything.


But she didn't turn back when she lost the ToW, only when the physical destruction of Hyrule was made.

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Posted 26 May 2008 - 12:16 PM

I don't need to know it, If Tetra has children of course she is going to teach them to be good pirates. She has a passion for being a pirate, so why would she teach her daughters to be princesses, a position she can't stand?

I don't think that's true. When Tetra says she is not Zelda in PH, she makes it very obvious that her reason for doing so is that she doesn't want to be treated any differently from before. The only thing we can tell from this is that she is not stuck up. Again, we can't tell what will happen next, though the King did wish for her and Link to lead their poeple which suggest, well, that they will.

Besides, the word Tetra means popular aquarium fish, jus o layer the argument of Tetra being a pirate forever.

It also means four in Greek, and likely nothing in Japanese - which one of these do you think matters the most?

Also, the Kings intentions/wishes weren't for there not to be another ?princess of destiny? or anything else tied to the Triforce, he simply wished for Hyrule to be washed away.

Didn't I already mention this?

"And let our destinies finally be fulfilled..." Is what the King says, and what right do we have to deny his wish? And when you consider Ganondorf's final words in TP, there can be no doubt about the meaning of that wish...

Since the 'princess of destiny' is linked to the struggle between good and evil, it is quite possible that fate was ended as well.

But she didn't turn back when she lost the ToW, only when the physical destruction of Hyrule was made.

She still had the mark, so I take it the power hadn't left her yet.

Edited by Hero of Legend, 26 May 2008 - 12:22 PM.


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Posted 26 May 2008 - 12:50 PM

I don't think that's true. When Tetra says she is not Zelda in PH, she makes it very obvious that her reason for doing so is that she doesn't want to be treated any differently from before. The only thing we can tell from this is that she is not stuck up. Again, we can't tell what will happen next, though the King did wish for her and Link to lead their poeple which suggest, well, that they will.


So it is possible for there to be another Zelda, according to destiny. And...

"And let our destinies finally be fulfilled..." Is what the King says, and what right do we have to deny his wish? And when you consider Ganondorf's final words in TP, there can be no doubt about the meaning of that wish...

Since the 'princess of destiny' is linked to the struggle between good and evil, it is quite possible that fate was ended as well.


...the struggle of good and evil was not "fulfilled" at the end of WW, the destinies of the King and Ganondorf were. Or its possible I am reading it wrong, but I don't think I am since it only says "our".

It also means four in Greek, and likely nothing in Japanese - which one of these do you think matters the most


So they name the character Tetra for no apparent reason even though the word has something to do with the sea in English and in Greek it means four (The King, Zelda, Link, Ganonorf?).

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Posted 27 May 2008 - 02:59 AM

Here's way too much devil's advocating going on... Why do that, if you don't even put any games after TWW?!
I don't care about what the new world Link and Tetra search for will look like, whether there'll be princesses and whatnot. Nintendo will show us in time.
The only thing that matters is that it will NOT be called Hyrule.

I'm not going to respond to what Chaltab said, it'd be like talking to a wall.
Simply answer me one question: What did the king destroy Hyrule for?
It was not to stop Ganondorf - the king could've just wished for him to die (or, if you say the Triforce can't kill people, then sealed away).

#117 Hero of Legend

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Posted 27 May 2008 - 03:28 AM

So it is possible for there to be another Zelda, according to destiny.

Indeed.

...the struggle of good and evil was not "fulfilled" at the end of WW, the destinies of the King and Ganondorf were. Or its possible I am reading it wrong, but I don't think I am since it only says "our".

"Our" as in everybody there. The King does not turn to Ganondorf until the very end - he is still speaking to the gods at that point. And even if it was only him and Ganondorf, don't you think the Zelda mythos would look a lot different without any Ganon?

So they name the character Tetra for no apparent reason even though the word has something to do with the sea in English and in Greek it means four (The King, Zelda, Link, Ganonorf?).

Not every name has a meaning. Take Impa for example; she is no imp, but that's what her name implies... unless it doesn't imply anything and is just a coincidence.

Which it is.

Here's way too much devil's advocating going on... Why do that, if you don't even put any games after TWW?!

Well, I'm actually not convinced the Four Sword saga doesn't occur after TWW in some form. It's sort of implied there will be something to that extent.

The only thing that matters is that it will NOT be called Hyrule.

Not likely, no. There also won't be any Ganondorf or Master Sword, and possibly Triforce.

Edited by Hero of Legend, 27 May 2008 - 03:30 AM.


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Posted 27 May 2008 - 07:45 AM

I'm not going to respond to what Chaltab said, it'd be like talking to a wall.


I'm sorry, I wasn't aware walls talked back. What did I say that's got you in such a bad mood?

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Posted 27 May 2008 - 10:41 AM

"Our" as in everybody there. The King does not turn to Ganondorf until the very end - he is still speaking to the gods at that point. And even if it was only him and Ganondorf, don't you think the Zelda mythos would look a lot different without any Ganon?

"And let our destinies finally be fulfilled...Ganondorf! May you drown with Hyrule!!!"

That is the full quote. He speaks to Ganondorf with the same breath in the same sentence. If you believe differently fine, I am not going to argue about one word or one line, or the kings facial expressions and his body language, all of which are trivial in the grand scheme of things. As it always comes down o arguing the most minuscule things, so yeah.

Not every name has a meaning. Take Impa for example; she is no imp, but that's what her name implies... unless it doesn't imply anything and is just a coincidence.

Not every name has a meaning. There are some that do. When we find one that relates to a real word, we should consider these things. Anju is also the name for a city somewhere I believe. Impa could be named after an Imp since maybe she is always the lonely caretaker to the princess. In either case, it might not mean anything of importance, but is fun to think about.

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Posted 27 May 2008 - 11:54 AM

That is the full quote. He speaks to Ganondorf with the same breath in the same sentence.

Eh, what does "..." (and a new text box) mean to you if not a pause in his speech? Of course, it is still quite possible he is talking on the behalf of everyone when he addresses Ganondorf. But like you said, there is little point in arguing semantics, at least in this case.

In either case, it might not mean anything of importance, but is fun to think about.

I'm sorry, I thought we wanted to know the truth, not what would have be fun if it was true.

Edited by Hero of Legend, 27 May 2008 - 11:56 AM.





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