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[MikePetersSucks]

Link: We did it! We saved the world!

Zelda: Yes, thank you Link. For everything. etc. Now go to the Lost Woods to find your past

Link: Ok!

Zelda: *snickersnortsnort*

Link: *gets pulled into next adventure*

*Zelda is in the bushes laughing at Deku Link.* lollerskates! *high fives Happy Maskman*

Ganon: *is released by his woman, Zelda, but totally screws her over in the next game.*

Zelda: t(o.ot)

Link: XD

[Hero of Slime]

I think that the White Sword in LoZ and TMC

The name is only an allusion to the first zelda game, Capcom does that a lot in their games.

[Tri-Enforcer]

Why not? What gives the sages, and their descendants any kind of omniscience, or clairvoyance?
How do they know these things?

First of all they have the power to maintain the seal on Ganon. People like Sahasrahla, who is a sage descendant, has telepathic powers...let along Zelda (who is also couldb be a sage descendant...was not Zelda a sage in OOT?) These maidens, Zelda and other sage descendants, seem to be the only ones with traits of the ancient Hylians powers. Also, if you even read the LTTP transcript you'd know about the sage descendants powers. Fatgoron, your lack of knowledge about the sages and maidens capabilities, makes you look uncredible...so don't talk about credibility. Here I'll provide you with two of many quotes (go read the rest and brush up) that talk about their capabilities:

(Maiden) They say the Hylian people
mastered mysterious powers,
as did the seven sages. But the blood of the Hylia has
grown thin over time. And we
who carry the blood of the
sages do not possess our
ancestors' powers, either. But our power will increase if
we mix the courage of the
knights with the wisdom of thesages! Perhaps there is
still a way in which we can help you.

Link, it is I, Sahasrahla.
I am communicating with you
across the void through

telepathy... The place where
you now stand was the Golden
Land, but evil power turned it

into the Dark World.

[Showsni]

Uncredible isn't a word. It's incredible.

[mohammedali]

If I'm transported to a horrific future in which peoples lives are devestated and turned upside down, I'd probably think. 'If I go back to the past and prevent the events that caused this situation, then this alternate future will not come into fruition, and these people will not have to experience a future like this.' I'm not saying that the alternate future will be erased or cease to exist, but who's to say that Link knows this will happn or not. For all he knows, Link is probably not looking at that future as 'that universe", but moreso "this universe's" fate will be sealed when I do what I have to do in the past. Like I said before, for all Link knows, he's probably thinking that future will all go away since things will happen differently in the past. Why do you think Zelda called all that happened was a 'mistake'?

Zelda says that dragging Link into this was her fault, and she wants to make up for her mistakes. But I see what you're saying - maybe they want to go back and change things so that the world that Link grows up in is a better place.

It seems to me as if she wants to correct or change everything that has happened...she wants to take away all the 'tragedy' that happened to the people of that future. The only way she can make up for or take away the tragedy is by sending Link back into the past for the final and do things differently. Just like Link, who's to say that Zelda knew or didn't know that a split could occur or that the alternate future could continue to exist. However looking at what Zelda had to say and the explanation I just gave you...it would seem logical that Link and Zelda only believed the future will be changed by sending Link back and nothing else.

Adult Link's time isn't the future. When Link is there, it's the present. For Zelda, it's definately the present. She has grown up and this is the life she has led. After closing the link between the 2 times, the Adult Link world is set in stone. The past will no longer effect it. That's what I gathered from the ending anyway.

With that aspect out the way, then we come back to asking, so why didn't Zelda send Link back earlier using the Ocarina...why have him go through all that? Wouldn't your explanation make OOT pointless? It's like I explained before...although ToC chose Link, Zelda still had to be convinced for herself that Link is capable of defeating Ganon and a wothy hero. Once, Link defeated Ganon, Zelda realized that Link is destined to beat Ganon with or without the use of time travel---it's his fate. However, before hand, Zelda was scared, unceratin, and worried for the safety of her kingdom. Like I said before, it's relevant because it gives a young princess hope and confirmation.

This idea makes the least sence ever. It seems like an excuse to make OoT not seem pointless rather than an actual likely story the creators were thinking. It also doesn't make much sence. Let's assume Zelda's greatest fear was correct and Link wasn't up to the challenge. Ganon kills Link, and takes the Triforce from him and then takes the Triforce from Zelda (who was trapped in a crystal). He is then even more powerful and has already taken over most of Hyrule. The entire world would end. Theres no point of this whole Zelda needs to test Link. By testing him this way, if he fails then the whole of Hyrule is doomed. There's no point running this risk as a test - it makes no sence.
If that wasn't enough to discredit that form of reasoning, the other thing is why would that be a good test for Link anyway if they are planning to go back in time and do things differently. In fact, what are they going to do differently exactly? Link can't face Ganon as a child, so if they are going to stop Ganon they have to use forces other than Link. If they are not going to stop Ganon, then there is no difference by going back in time. The reasoning is flawed and confused.

Neither does it mention a split Triforce. You can argue that the word 'sages' was used to replace 'wise men' to be in conjunction with OOT. However, I think it would take no time to include terms like 'Triforce of Power', 'Courage', and 'Wisdom', or words like 'split', 'seperated', 'triforce part' or 'piece' in place of using Golden Power or Triforce alone. It's only simple text, that I think would be just as important as adding the word 'sage'.

My idea of Ganon not having the whole Triforce is a lot more involved than changing Wise Men to Sages. It involves changing all text about Ganon to say it was the ToP, adding explinations about where the other pieces are, showing why the Triforces reform in the back room and so on. To do this is very difficult. However, if the creators accept that terms such as Golden Power can be used for either the whole Triforce, or a single piece (which is the case in WW where it is used to reference both), then there is no need to change anything. Just because they don't make it clear how much of the Triforce Ganon had, doesn't mean there's a problem. To someone who plays aLttP alone, Ganon having the whole thing seems like what they mean. For someone who is trying to understand how the whole series can fit together, it's not.

That's every quote in LTTP that talks about the Triforce. Now, I do understand that not every quote about the Triforce, associates the Triforce towards a certain person. However, the quotes that do associate the Triforce towards a person, only speak of Ganon. If Link or Zelda had their respective pieces, then there would've been some possesive setence or quote toward them having a Triforce part.

As I said before, although the creators may have intended for Ganon to have the whole thing in his backroom, given the quotes and the way the games work, this seems to have been retroactively changed. Although a change seems to have occured, it doesn't mean any quotes need to be changed to have it all making sence. e.g. If John is known to have eaten the cake, one may believe that the sentance means he ate the whole cake. However, if we are told later that he ate a third of the cake, the first sentance is still true. John HAD eaten the cake - but only a third of it. There is no contradiction, and no need to change the original statment as it still makes sence.

You're gonna discredit a maiden, who is a descendant of the very sages who sealed Ganon? Sages and maidens are not the 'general public'.

Although they are not the general public, there is no way they could know that Zelda and Link knew of the SR if they weren't told. Particularly if these maiderns were born such a long time after. We know from OoT that the secret was kept extremely under raps, so perhaps only Zelda knew and she never let on she did - hence the maiderns statement is not unexpected.

The point I'm making is that Ganon recalled OOT Link or remembered him. Whereas in LTTP,Ganon doesn't remember OOT Link. I think defeating three of his bosses and opening the SR is enough to remember Link by.

And the point I'm making is that if Ganon thought quite little of Link as an adult in OoT, only 7 years after he saw him as a child, he's hardly going to be all that bothered about a different kid called Link just because he wears green. It's clear from his responce to Link in OoT that he didn't think that much of him then, I can't think why he'd think much of a completely different child hundreds of years later just because he's wearing green. Had Link beaten Ganon OTOH, then it would have been different (e.g. WW). But for Ganon in aLttP, Link nothing to write home about.

Mohammed Ali

[Tri-Enforcer]

Zelda says that dragging Link into this was her fault, and she wants to make up for her mistakes. But I see what you're saying - maybe they want to go back and change things so that the world that Link grows up in is a better place.

Only for Link? That's kinda selfish. How about they do it so that the people of that future do not have to experience the 'tragedy' of Ganon ruling for 7 years.

Adult Link's time isn't the future. When Link is there, it's the present. For Zelda, it's definately the present. She has grown up and this is the life she has led. After closing the link between the 2 times, the Adult Link world is set in stone. The past will no longer effect it. That's what I gathered from the ending anyway.

Dude, you know what I mean. But to child Link it's the future or an alternate future. Did you play TWW first before you played OOT? When I first beat OOT--before I even gave a damn about the timeline--before TWW--I took the ending to mean that the future will be changed and nothing else. I thought nothing of a split or another universe being created and I'm sure many others did as well. Like I said...who's to say that Zelda or Link thought the alternate time (I'll avoid the tense since you're picky) would continue to exist or not, when Link was sent back. Who's say they were thinking, "lets save this universe, then when I send you back, you save your other universe."

This idea makes the least sence ever. It seems like an excuse to make OoT not seem pointless rather than an actual likely story the creators were thinking. It also doesn't make much sence. Let's assume Zelda's greatest fear was correct and Link wasn't up to the challenge. Ganon kills Link, and takes the Triforce from him and then takes the Triforce from Zelda (who was trapped in a crystal). He is then even more powerful and has already taken over most of Hyrule. The entire world would end. Theres no point of this whole Zelda needs to test Link. By testing him this way, if he fails then the whole of Hyrule is doomed. There's no point running this risk as a test - it makes no sence.
If that wasn't enough to discredit that form of reasoning, the other thing is why would that be a good test for Link anyway if they are planning to go back in time and do things differently. In fact, what are they going to do differently exactly? Link can't face Ganon as a child, so if they are going to stop Ganon they have to use forces other than Link. If they are not going to stop Ganon, then there is no difference by going back in time. The reasoning is flawed and confused.

Stop questioning and acting as if I haven't already given you an explanation of how Link can "do things differently" in the past. (which I know you stated that on purpose just to make my explanation look seneless) Scroll up to one my other posts or something, it shouldn't too far off.

It doesn't make sense because you're trying to make it sound senseless. In either scenario, whether we go by yours or mine--Zelda always had the option to send Link back with the Ocarina. But that's not the question. The question is: was it necessary to allow him to stay around to beat Ganon or it wasn't? The aswer is yes--for both scenarios. Now the question is: why was it necessary to keep Link around longer in that alternate future(you know what I mean you picky son-of-a-gun..lol)?

If you're a single timeliner, why the heck would he 'have' to stay to defeat Ganon? Now, if you're a splitter, you'd say so that this alternate universe is safe..which is very very plausible--if the split timeline is true. Going back to the single timeline perspective...why else would it be necessary that Link stick around and defeat Ganon.... I mean it's not because of the safety of this alternate universe--since to a single timeliner, there's no split and it'll be changed and erased anyway after Link goes back and does things differently? Otherwise it would be unnecessary since Zeld has the option send him back earlier. The best explanation would be that it was to give Zelda confirmation and hope that Link really is Hyrule's savior and that he will grow into a worthy hero in the future. You ask what if Link didn't pass his test in my scenario? How about asking what if he failed to defeat Ganon in your scenario--the one you feel is mandatory and not senseless?

My idea of Ganon not having the whole Triforce is a lot more involved than changing Wise Men to Sages. It involves changing all text about Ganon to say it was the ToP, adding explinations about where the other pieces are, showing why the Triforces reform in the back room and so on. To do this is very difficult.

Lets look at an 8 bit game that involves a split Triforce. In AoL, we are only told that the Triforce is split--we don't see it being split and we don't see the a triforce piece that is isolated or not in the same area as the other pieces. We don't see the Triforece pieces together until the end of that game. That's an example of how text alone and not visuals can convey if there is split Triforce or not. Like I said it would be easy add text in LTTP indicating a split Triforce, without the difficulty of adding scenes showing this.

Although they are not the general public, there is no way they could know that Zelda and Link knew of the SR if they weren't told. Particularly if these maiderns were born such a long time after. We know from OoT that the secret was kept extremely under raps, so perhaps only Zelda knew and she never let on she did - hence the maiderns statement is not unexpected.

If we start discrediting an in-game character, then you leave it open to discredit other in-game characters. But then you'd say, 'that's taken it too far." If you discredit one character just to bend things your way..then you've already gone too far.

[Koji]

The White Sword is the reforged Picori blade minus the four elements - it's entirely possible that they could be the same sword.

[Doopliss]

If that wasn't enough to discredit that form of reasoning, the other thing is why would that be a good test for Link anyway if they are planning to go back in time and do things differently. In fact, what are they going to do differently exactly? Link can't face Ganon as a child, so if they are going to stop Ganon they have to use forces other than Link. If they are not going to stop Ganon, then there is no difference by going back in time. The reasoning is flawed and confused.

If Zelda sends Link back, then, he won't open the entrance to the Sacre Realm and Ganon will never get the Triforce of Power.

[mohammedali]

Only for Link?  That's kinda selfish.  How about they do it so that the people of that future do not have to experience the 'tragedy' of Ganon ruling for 7 years.

That's fine. I agree with that. However, it wouldn't stop the world where Zelda grew up as a Sheika from existing.

Dude, you know what I mean.  But to child Link it's the future or an alternate future.  Did you play TWW first before you played OOT?  When I first beat OOT--before I even gave a damn about the timeline--before TWW--I took the ending to mean that the future will be changed and nothing else.  I thought nothing of a split or another universe being created and I'm sure many others did as well.  Like I said...who's to say that Zelda or Link thought the alternate time (I'll avoid the tense since you're picky) would continue to exist or not, when Link was sent back.  Who's say they were thinking, "lets save this universe, then when I send you back, you save your other universe."

The only reason I was nitpicking about saying future was because when you realise it's the present, the thought of the world being completely changed as if Ganon was never there sounds crazy. All those people who were previously dead suddenly come back etc. It doesn't make sence. Especially when the MS has been laid to rest and the link between the 2 times is closed. Any further changes cannot effect the future.
And when I played OoT I thought there was a split. It was the only way the story made any sence to me. Link didn't just beat Ganon for fun, and Zelda didn't send Link back in time to get killed by Ganons minons (which is why Rauru originally kept Link suspended for 7 years). Hence, the only explination was that there was a split. Many people were theorising about a split before WW was even released. If I'm not mistaken, Davo has an article about how the SR is really the future of Adult Link timeline, and the Light World is of Child Link timeline. He changed his mind since then of course, but the point is people saw a split from early on.

Stop questioning and acting as if I haven't already given you an explanation of how Link can "do things differently" in the past.  (which I know you stated that on purpose just to make my explanation look seneless) Scroll up to one my other posts or something, it shouldn't too far off.

I'm not sure what he would do differently, and I can't find your post - there have been too many by both of us However, I can say that if Link did do something differently then why would Zelda bother testing him on something completely different to what he's going to do in the past? Why risk losing the Triforce to Ganon by putting someone she isn't 100% sure is up to the challenge in the firing line? It makes OoT seem like the worst thing Zelda could do other than giving the ToW to Ganon as a gift.

It doesn't make sense because you're trying to make it sound senseless.  In either scenario, whether we go by yours or mine--Zelda always had the option to send Link back with the Ocarina.  But that's not the question.  The question is: was it necessary to allow him to stay around to beat Ganon or it wasn't?  The aswer is yes--for both scenarios.  Now the question is: why was it necessary to keep Link around longer in that alternate future(you know what I mean you picky son-of-a-gun..lol)?

lol. Sorry if I seem like I'm laying into you, but I do this to everyone's theory. The question *is* about why Link needs to beat Ganon, but to say it's just to show Zelda he's rock hard and up to any challenge is not a likely answer. It doesn't make sence for Zelda to take such a gamble, to pit Link against Ganon in a time that his power is the most, when she could send Link back in time and sort out the entire mess without Link and Ganon even meeting. I don't know how I can make it any clearer.

If you're a single timeliner, why the heck would he 'have' to stay to defeat Ganon?  Now, if you're a splitter, you'd say so that this alternate universe is safe..which is very very plausible--if the split timeline is true.  Going back to the single timeline perspective...why else would it be necessary that Link stick around and defeat Ganon.... I mean it's not because of the safety of this alternate universe--since to a single timeliner, there's no split and it'll be changed and erased anyway after Link goes back and does things differently?  Otherwise it would be unnecessary since Zeld has the option send him back earlier.  The best explanation would be that it was to give Zelda confirmation and hope that Link really is Hyrule's savior and that he will grow into a worthy hero in the future.  You ask what if Link didn't pass his test in my scenario? How about asking what if he failed to defeat Ganon in your scenario--the one you feel is mandatory and not senseless?

If OoT doesn't make sence to you in a single timeline, but does in a spit, then you're supporting the wrong type of timeline. There's no reason why a single timeline has to work. If you don't think it works, and there's no good explination of how it does, then you should consider the possibility that a single timeline is not possible.
In my idea, if Link failed to save Hyrule, then everyone's screwed. That was an inevitable concequence of OoT. Zelda isn't concerned about making a new timeline
where everyone is free from Ganon. She's interested that Link saves the world that she has grown up in. It's also possible that had she sent Link back in time at any point before he beat Ganon, then they would not have been able to lock Ganon away in the past like they do in Child Links timeline (i.e. aLttP BS) due to certain things not having happened (e.g. the MS not being placed delaying Ganons return, or Link not realising who the sages are and telling the King, etc. etc.)

ets look at an 8 bit game that involves a split Triforce.  In AoL, we are only told that the Triforce is split--we don't see it being split and we don't see the a triforce piece that is isolated or not in the same area as the other pieces.  We don't see the Triforece pieces together until the end of that game.  That's an example of how text alone and not visuals can convey if there is split Triforce or not.  Like I said it would be easy add text in LTTP indicating a split Triforce, without the difficulty of adding scenes showing this.

But if there is no contradiction by leaving the text as it is, but hastle and problems if they do, then why bother? If someone finds out that aLttP and OoT is linked and works out the quotes suggest Ganon didn't have the whole Triforce, then they can work out how it all fits together. However, for someone who has never played the game and wants it as a standalone, it makes sence that Ganon had the whole thing. No hastle of changing things, and the same effect is achieved.

If we start discrediting an in-game character, then you leave it open to discredit other in-game characters.  But then you'd say, 'that's taken it too far."  If you discredit one character just to bend things your way..then you've already gone too far.

I'm not discrediting the Maidern. I'm simply saying that as far as she is concerned, there weren't any people who knew the secret. There's no way she would have known any better. It's like the fish in WW (hoy small fry crew). They go around thinking there is a powerful set of cutlery called Triumph-Forks. They aren't to know any better. Neither were the Maiderns who couldn't have known one of Zelda's greatest secrets - especially considering who long ago it was.

If Zelda sends Link back, then, he won't open the entrance to the Sacre Realm and Ganon will never get the Triforce of Power.

But we see Link with the Triforce in his hand. This was an effect that the game designers had to toggle on and off, and considering this is one of the only scenes that has Child Link with the ToC on his hand, it's clearly not a mistake. Hence, the Triforce must have split before hand - though Tri-Enforcer has an interesting theory about it being there because it's about to vanish, however, I'm still very sceptical.

Mohammed Ali

[Fatgoron]

First of all they have the power to maintain the seal on Ganon. People like Sahasrahla, who is a sage descendant, has telepathic powers...let along Zelda (who is also couldb be a sage descendant...was not Zelda a sage in OOT?) These maidens, Zelda and other sage descendants, seem to be the only ones with traits of the ancient Hylians powers. Also, if you even read the LTTP transcript you'd know about the sage descendants powers. Fatgoron, your lack of knowledge about the sages and maidens capabilities, makes you look uncredible...so don't talk about credibility. Here I'll provide you with two of many quotes (go read the rest and brush up) that talk about their capabilities:

Yes, telepathy and the ability to seal the king of evil make them right about everything they say.

Mohhamad Ali has already pointed out that it's not the first time a character has been incorrect.
What information do they have besides legends and what has been passed down through the generations?

How does telepathic communication negate the possibility of them being mistaken about events that happened so long (multiple generations) ago?

[Tri-Enforcer]

That's fine. I agree with that. However, it wouldn't stop the world where Zelda grew up as a Sheika from existing.

We don't know this for certain.

The only reason I was nitpicking about saying future was because when you realise it's the present, the thought of the world being completely changed as if Ganon was never there sounds crazy. All those people who were previously dead suddenly come back etc. It doesn't make sence. Especially when the MS has been laid to rest and the link between the 2 times is closed. Any further changes cannot effect the future.

Why wouldn't it make sense? It's totally logical. Everything has a cause and an effect. If it's possible to prevent the cause, then the effect is changed or prevented. If you injure yourself because I ran into you, if I had a time machine I'd go back in time and keep myself from running into you, and thus you won't be injured. (and you won't have to experience the physical pain and I won't have to experience the verbal tantrum you unleash upon me). But noooo, you gotta think into it more than need be and say, "The universe in which you got hurt me will continue to exist, but the one you return to will have a different future." Both scenarios could possibly happen or no--who's say. And stop saying my example doesn't make sense-- especially when it made sense to you when you first watched Back to the Future or some other time travel show long before OOT.

I'm not sure what he would do differently, and I can't find your post - there have been too many by both of us However, I can say that if Link did do something differently then why would Zelda bother testing him on something completely different to what he's going to do in the past? Why risk losing the Triforce to Ganon by putting someone she isn't 100% sure is up to the challenge in the firing line? It makes OoT seem like the worst thing Zelda could do other than giving the ToW to Ganon as a gift.

Risk the ToC? She risked the ToC when she had Link pull the MS, knowing good and well it was a key to the SR's entrance. You talk about being cruel to Link...how about not only to Link but also the rest of Hyrule. Zelda was a very uncertain princess, she even said that she didn't know the consequences of tampering with the SR. So here it is she tells Link to do this and that and isn't even sure what it will do--that's being bogus and this occurs in either scenario we've been discussing. However, that's ok...but it's not ok if Zelda was putting Link through this to see if he's Hyrule's true savior.

why would Zelda bother testing him on something completely different to what he's going to do in the past?

The same reason you put a good player in a starting position. He's faced against different teams and practices--each with unpredictable approaches and their own styles of play. Regardless of the situation, that player has done something to help win. So even though he's being tested in one scenario against Ganon, Zelda feels she's found her "starter", who will deliver in any situation against Ganon. (I just had to use the sports analogy--go Bears!)

[mohammedali]

Why wouldn't it make sense? It's totally logical.  Everything has a cause and an effect.  If it's possible to prevent the cause, then the effect is changed or prevented.  If you injure yourself because I ran into you, if I had a time machine I'd go back in time and keep myself from running into you, and thus you won't be injured. (and you won't have to experience the physical pain and I won't have to experience the verbal tantrum you unleash upon me).  But noooo, you gotta think into it more than need be and say, "The universe in which you got hurt me will continue to exist, but the one you return to will have a different future."  Both scenarios could possibly happen or no--who's say.  And stop saying my example doesn't make sense-- especially when it made sense to you when you first watched Back to the Future or some other time travel show long before OOT.

You're right. Both scenarios would indeed be possible, however, you still have to justify why OoT happened if Link could have prevented the whole ordeal in the first place, and it being a test set by Zelda is neither suggested in the game, nor logical given the risks she would run. The only reason we know OoT was necessary is to seal Ganon and there is no suggestion to it being anything else, nor is there any logical alternative. Ask yourself, do you think the game developers have OoT down as just a test that Zelda put Link through? Do you think they share the same theory as you?

Risk the ToC?  She risked the ToC when she had Link pull the MS, knowing good and well it was a key to the SR's entrance.  You talk about being cruel to Link...how about not only to Link but also the rest of Hyrule. Zelda was a very uncertain princess, she even said that she didn't know the consequences of tampering with the SR.  So here it is she tells Link to do this and that and isn't even sure what it will do--that's being bogus and this occurs in either scenario we've been discussing.  However, that's ok...but it's not ok if Zelda was putting Link through this to see if he's Hyrule's true savior.

Sure, she screwed it up for everyone, I agree. However, it doesn't help anyone in the slightest to have Link battling monsters like Ganon knowing that if he loses then it's all game over for everyone. It just doesn't make any sence.

The same reason you put a good player in a starting position.  He's faced against different teams and practices--each with unpredictable approaches and their own styles of play.  Regardless of the situation, that player has done something to help win.  So even though he's being tested in one scenario against Ganon, Zelda feels she's found her "starter", who will deliver in any situation against Ganon.  (I just had to use the sports analogy--go Bears!)

It's not like that. It's more like putting a car with some sort of auto defence in the middle of crime central. Sure, it's a test to see if the car lasts, but if it doesn't then your pretty screwed. Especially if that car was only going to be used in less dangerous enviroments. i.e. Unless the task set for Link was more dangerous than facing Ganon as an adult, there is no reason why Zelda would be stupid enough to put Link in front of Ganon when it can all be avoided. If I'm correct, then when Link goes back in time, he never has to fact Ganon at all - hence, why bother 'testing' him for a job he'll never need to do? If that's not correct then remind me what Link does when he is sent back, and where it is he is sent.

Mohammed Ali

[Tri-Enforcer]

(Mohammed) You're right. Both scenarios would indeed be possible, however, you still have to justify why OoT happened if Link could have prevented the whole ordeal in the first place, and it being a test set by Zelda is neither suggested in the game, nor logical given the risks she would run. The only reason we know OoT was necessary is to seal Ganon and there is no suggestion to it being anything else, nor is there any logical alternative. Ask yourself, do you think the game developers have OoT down as just a test that Zelda put Link through? Do you think they share the same theory as you?

Now, you ask yourself the same thing about the split theory.

Sure, she screwed it up for everyone, I agree. However, it doesn't help anyone in the slightest to have Link battling monsters like Ganon knowing that if he loses then it's all game over for everyone. It just doesn't make any sence.

With Zelda being able to send Link back whenever, how could they lose? The moral and purpose that I got from OOT is that it's best not to tamper with time or control fate, and that Link would be the destined hero regardless of time travel or not.

It's not like that. It's more like putting a car with some sort of auto defence in the middle of crime central. Sure, it's a test to see if the car lasts, but if it doesn't then your pretty screwed. Especially if that car was only going to be used in less dangerous enviroments. i.e. Unless the task set for Link was more dangerous than facing Ganon as an adult, there is no reason why Zelda would be stupid enough to put Link in front of Ganon when it can all be avoided. If I'm correct, then when Link goes back in time, he never has to fact Ganon at all - hence, why bother 'testing' him for a job he'll never need to do? If that's not correct then remind me what Link does when he is sent back, and where it is he is sent.

I think that's what happened to Link. He was placed right in perhaps the worse possible situation--a future dominated by Ganon. If he can perservere in that scenario, then he can certainly succeed in a scenario where Ganon isn't dominating. If Link were a car then he'd get the seal of approval. As for what could Link do, if sent back? Simple...not opening the SR and allowing Ganon to get his paws on the Triforce, so Ganon's plans are delayed.

(Fatgoron)
Yes, telepathy and the ability to seal the king of evil make them right about everything they say.
Mohhamad Ali has already pointed out that it's not the first time a character has been incorrect.
What information do they have besides legends and what has been passed down through the generations?
How does telepathic communication negate the possibility of them being mistaken about events that happened so long (multiple generations) ago?

If you put it that way, then everything about the LTTP BS, would have to be put into question. The BS is comprised of Hylian legends and lore that was mainly passed along through the Royal Family and the sages. Who better than the sage descendants, whose ancestors protected and studied the domain of the Triforce, would know a great deal about the history surrounding the Triforce. Also, in terms of powers, they are the closest people who are related to the Hylians, particularly those who helped to seal Ganon.

The fish guys from TWW? Compared to the sages? No contest...bad example. "Tri-Forks"...it's pretty obvious what they mean, and it wasn't meant to be mind boggling. I'd hold people whose bloodline is reonowned for protecting the Triforce, to be more credible when it comes to the subject of the Triforce.

[mohammedali]

Now, you ask yourself the same thing about the split theory.

You havent answered any of my questions, but as for asking myself about a split - after considering the quote by Anouma, definately. It also seems the most likely given WW and aLttP placing, and my theory works for all these games.

With Zelda being able to send Link back whenever, how could they lose? The moral and purpose that I got from OOT is that it's best not to tamper with time or control fate, and that Link would be the destined hero regardless of time travel or not.

They could lose if Link dies, which would make sending hum back extremely difficult. And what is she risking Links life, the Triforce, and the security of the world for? so Link can be proved to be a hero which you yourself say he's destined to be regardless of time travel or not.

I think that's what happened to Link. He was placed right in perhaps the worse possible situation--a future dominated by Ganon. If he can perservere in that scenario, then he can certainly succeed in a scenario where Ganon isn't dominating. If Link were a car then he'd get the seal of approval. As for what could Link do, if sent back? Simple...not opening the SR and allowing Ganon to get his paws on the Triforce, so Ganon's plans are delayed.

Now this doesn't work on 2 levels. Firstly, it doesn't make sence to put something so valuable on the line just to prove Link gets the seal of approval - especially when all he's going to do in the end is go back in time to a point where Ganon is not a threat. It makes no sence to even have him proving to be a hero in the first place. It's also too risky. A company wouldn't put there only prototype of their new car in the worst possible scenario when they don't need that seal of approval at all, and by putting the car there, they could screw up all their hard work because someone steals it or smashes it up. It would make no sence to do such a thing.
Also, Link still has the ToC on his hand in the ending so I doubt that he was sent back in time before the Triforce was touched.

If you put it that way, then everything about the LTTP BS, would have to be put into question. The BS is comprised of Hylian legends and lore that was mainly passed along through the Royal Family and the sages. Who better than the sage descendants, whose ancestors protected and studied the domain of the Triforce, would know a great deal about the history surrounding the Triforce. Also, in terms of powers, they are the closest people who are related to the Hylians, particularly those who helped to seal Ganon.

I'm not saying discredit it all. I'm saying put it in perspective. If the desendant of a sage told you that centuries ago no one in the world knew where a certain place was, you would still assume that their knowledge on such a matter could not be perfect because it was such a long time ago and those that did know may have kept it a secret. Everything in aLttP should be considered a legend. That's why the little differences between OoT and aLttP BS shouldn't be the desiding factor on whether they are related.

The fish guys from TWW? Compared to the sages? No contest...bad example. "Tri-Forks"...it's pretty obvious what they mean, and it wasn't meant to be mind boggling. I'd hold people whose bloodline is reonowned for protecting the Triforce, to be more credible when it comes to the subject of the Triforce.

OK, bad example (but it was Triump-forks and not Tri-Forks). However, I still stand by my point. We can't trust the pictures 100% in WW as they are legend. The fact that Link is a kid in those pictures shows that they are incorrect. Similarly, we can't be 100% when we are looking at references to a time long gone. WW has proven that, and aLttP has implied it. To say it's inconsistant on this basis is hence not enough.

Mohammed Ali

[MikePetersSucks]

Uncredible isn't a word. It's incredible.

Just a nitpick. He meant what he said. He was saying that he had no credibility. "Un." A lack of it.

[Fatgoron]

If you put it that way, then everything about the LTTP BS, would have to be put into question. The BS is comprised of Hylian legends and lore that was mainly passed along through the Royal Family and the sages. Who better than the sage descendants, whose ancestors protected and studied the domain of the Triforce, would know a great deal about the history surrounding the Triforce. Also, in terms of powers, they are the closest people who are related to the Hylians, particularly those who helped to seal Ganon.

Precisely, it's legends and lore. There are already disparities shown between OoT and aLttP.

I'm not saying they are neccessarily wrong, but when we're shown what is intended to be the IW, and it contradicts elements of the aLttP BS, one must consider the newer canon to be more accurate. It even makes more sense in terms of the storyline.

Regardless of how close a relation they may be to the sages who cast the seal, they're still less reliable than a story showing the events of the IW.

[Mad Scrub]

Originally Posted by mohammedali
Also, Link still has the ToC on his hand in the ending so I doubt that he was sent back in time before the Triforce was touched.

Didn't you say earlier that Link wouldn't be sent back sometime after Ganondorf had entered the Sacred Realm and touched the Triforce? Something about it would make OoT redundant. At what exact point does he return to in your opinion? I apologize if you've answered this question already.

[Mordaunt]

Uhm...if Ganon is still alive in the Past when Link is in the Future at the end of OOT, wouldnt Ganon still be alive in the Past, since the Future cant affect the past?

[Showsni]

Depends who you ask. Some say that the SR is outside time, so it somehow seals him in the past too. Some say there is a split, and in the past, something else happens to seal him, or he doesn't become a threat. Some say that yes, he is alive and free, and remains so up until the future.

[mohammedali]

Didn't you say earlier that Link wouldn't be sent back sometime after Ganondorf had entered the Sacred Realm and touched the Triforce? Something about it would make OoT redundant. At what exact point does he return to in your opinion? I apologize if you've answered this question already.

I was saying that Tri-Enforcers explination would make OoT redundant. I have a few ideas on how it could work. One would be that Link has to save the Hyrule in adult Links time so that it can have a future. This justifys why OoT happens, and why Link had to beat Ganon at the end. This also causes Ganon to 'get lost' in the SR and makes his return more difficult. Then when sent back to the past, a point where Ganon is currently in the SR, Link or Zelda tell the King to call the sages so they can seal Ganon. My guess is that Zelda cannot sent Link back in time any further than 7 years exactly as otherwise there would be 2 Links running around.

Mohammed Ali

[Tri-Enforcer]

Now this doesn't work on 2 levels. Firstly, it doesn't make sence to put something so valuable on the line just to prove Link gets the seal of approval - especially when all he's going to do in the end is go back in time to a point where Ganon is not a threat. It makes no sence to even have him proving to be a hero in the first place. It's also too risky. A company wouldn't put there only prototype of their new car in the worst possible scenario when they don't need that seal of approval at all, and by putting the car there, they could screw up all their hard work because someone steals it or smashes it up. It would make no sence to do such a thing.
Also, Link still has the ToC on his hand in the ending so I doubt that he was sent back in time before the Triforce was touched.

I already explained to you my theory on why he has the ToC on his hand at the end. Although Ganon could or could not be a threat in the past, it doesn't mean that Ganon could later on...do something else that would stir up trouble whether he's been sealed or not. Zelda wants to make sure Link is the right person and be ever vigilant.

Zelda clearly said that she must make up for her mistakes and she blamed all the tragedy on herself. The girl felt guilty for all that she put Link and Hyrule through. If you can control time, what better way to make up for this than to see to it that no one experiences the 7 year rule of a tyrant. It doesn't make sense if she's doing this for Link and another universe, but not her own. The people of this alternate universe still suffered the tragedy and you mean to tell me those people will have to live on with all that tragedy in their heads because of Zelda's bickering? So what if Ganon's gone...I want my loved ones back...I want all the time I spent in fear back! Why should some other universe not eperience this, but ours do? Once again who's to say Link or Zelda knew that this unverse, where Ganon once dominated for 7 years, will continue on but the one Link returns to will be exempt from Ganon's 7 year reign.

Common sense would tell me, just like any other time travel story, Link will return to the past and does something to foil Ganon's plans...whether it be locking him in the SR while he's inside, or not pulling the MS at all and not allowing Ganon into the SR. If Link does either or, he has done something to perhaps prevent Ganon's reign, and NO ONE (since no other timeline or universe is created) will have to suffer for 7 years--not on the Hero of Time's watch.

I'm not saying discredit it all. I'm saying put it in perspective. If the desendant of a sage told you that centuries ago no one in the world knew where a certain place was, you would still assume that their knowledge on such a matter could not be perfect because it was such a long time ago and those that did know may have kept it a secret. Everything in aLttP should be considered a legend. That's why the little differences between OoT and aLttP BS shouldn't be the desiding factor on whether they are related.

Since, you want to cross that line and question the validity of what a sage descendant has to say, then fine. If you want to cross the line and say that the LTTP BS is flawed then fine. But think about the can or worms you're opening. Just like you said those little differences should not be the deciding factor that LTTP BS and OOT are not related, then the BS can't be the deciding factor that those games are related. However, your bias won't allow you to do that.

[mohammedali]

I already explained to you my theory on why he has the ToC on his hand at the end.  Although Ganon could or could not be a threat in the past, it doesn't mean that Ganon could later on...do something else that would stir up trouble whether he's been sealed or not.  Zelda wants to make sure Link is the right person and be ever vigilant.

I'm still not buying that Zelda would do something this stupid. Risk Links life, risk losing the Triforce, even risk all of Hyrule, just to test Link - It's not even worth entertaining let alone justifying. I can accept cetain ideas you have with your theory, but this is not one of them. It just doesn't make sence and is not in the least bit suggested anywhere. If you want a theory that seems to make sence, then it should be backed up.
Any fanfic should only act as a bridge to make things flow better as a story, or used to reconsile events or quotes. The fanfic should never replace the entire point of the game. In my theory, the fanfic I use to bridge the games is that Link or Zelda tell the King to call the sages. Other than that, I use all the ideas from the games and quotes. If you want a plausable theory I strongly suggest you scrap this one and start a new. I'm sure it's clear to you that this wasn't what the creators intended, and that it is no where suggested in the game that this is a test for Link.

Zelda clearly said that she must make up for her mistakes and she blamed all the tragedy on herself.  The girl felt guilty for all that she put Link and Hyrule through.  If you can control time, what better way to make up for this than to see to it that no one experiences the 7 year rule of a tyrant.  It doesn't make sense if she's doing this for Link and another universe, but not her own. The people of this alternate universe still suffered the tragedy and you mean to tell me those people will have to live on with all that tragedy in their heads because of Zelda's bickering?  So what if Ganon's gone...I want my loved ones back...I want all the time I spent in fear back!  Why should some other universe not eperience this, but ours do? Once again who's to say Link or Zelda knew that this unverse, where Ganon once dominated for 7 years, will continue on but the one Link returns to will be exempt from Ganon's 7 year reign.  

If you want proof for why it doesn't work, look at the quote by Zelda at the end of OoT.

ZELDA: "Thanks to you, Ganondorf has been sealed inside the Evil Realm!
Thus, peace will once again reign in this world...for a time."

This quote is spoken just before Zelda sends Link back. Now, you tell me. How will peace reign in the adult world for a time if it doesn't exist anymore? It's clear that this timeline continues, otherwise Zelda would have said that none of this will ever come to pass or something else. Hence, the idea of the future all being erased is not possible given the quotes. This is why I say that a split would make far more sence, and that this isn't like Back to the Future where the universe is chaged in the future completely.

Common sense would tell me, just like any other time travel story, Link will return to the past and does something to foil Ganon's plans...whether it be locking him in the SR while he's inside, or not pulling the MS at all and not allowing Ganon into the SR.  If Link does either or, he has done something to perhaps prevent Ganon's reign, and NO ONE (since no other timeline or universe is created) will have to suffer for 7 years--not on the Hero of Time's watch.

Link cannot go back before the Triforce was touched as he has the ToC on his hand in the ending. Hence there is no possibility of him not lifting the MS.
The idea of Link fighting Ganon as a kid is also not possible as we are told he will die if he was try from Rauru, and this was a fundamental clause of the game.
Hence, the only way that Ganon can be stopped from taking over is if it is by other forces, like the Knights and the Sages in aLttP BS for example. Hence, there would be no point for Zelda to send Link into the past if he 1) does not allow Ganon into the SR, and 2) cannot stop Ganon as a kid.

Since, you want to cross that line and question the validity of what a sage descendant has to say, then fine.  If you want to cross the line and say that the LTTP BS is flawed then fine.  But think about the can or worms you're opening.  Just like you said those little differences should not be the deciding factor that LTTP BS and OOT are not related, then the BS can't be the deciding factor that those games are related.  However, your bias won't allow you to do that.

Personally, I keep it all as gospel, though in some cases perspective is needed. However, it being a legend is one of the arguements to filter out minor inconsistancies. This wouldn't work as an arguement against the connection between OoT and aLttP BS, as there similarities are too big to discredit, whilst the inconsistancies are too small to worry about. I by no means am saying to discredit the whole of aLttP BS. These legends have an origin, and in the case of aLttP BS, it's OoT without doubt.
I understand why people use the legend arguement - even though I tend not to. You've read my theory, it reconsiles every little point between OoT and aLttP bar none. The only thing that I have said should be put into perspective is one maiderns quote, and with good reason.

Mohammed Ali

[Tri-Enforcer]

Tri-Enforcer shakes his hand at Mohammed and retreats to his rejuvenation chamber.

[mohammedali]

Tri-Enforcer shakes his hand at Mohammed and retreats to his rejuvenation chamber.

*waving back at Tri*
Y'all come back now, y'hear?... I'ma tierd

Mohammed Ali

[Tri-Enforcer]

The psychotic Tri-Enforcer of the past travels to the present, and looks at me in disgrace and says, "What the hell are you doing? It's time to come home." I start crying like a lil' gurl then I my eyes turn red like of old and denounce the single timeline in old Enforcer style! He's baaaaaaack...we shall bring the forms to it's knees like we did before...we shall rock it to it's core...tremble before me everyone or else face the same dark event of the past...it shall happen to the forms again. Split timeline forever! Hahahahahahahaha! ssssssssss....

(oh yeah by the way...the Triforce is still whole in LTTP)

[mohammedali]

The psychotic Tri-Enforcer of the past travels to the present, and looks at me in disgrace and says, "What the hell are you doing?  It's time to come home."  I start crying like a lil' gurl then I my eyes turn red like of old and denounce the single timeline in old Enforcer style!  He's baaaaaaack...we shall bring the forms to it's knees like we did before...we shall rock it to it's core...tremble before me everyone or else face the same dark event of the past...it shall happen to the forms again. Split timeline forever! Hahahahahahahaha! ssssssssss....

lol. That was good. Glad to hear you're back. So I take it you are atleast cool with OoT being aLttP BS again...

(oh yeah by the way...the Triforce is still whole in LTTP)

That's cool. I understand why you may be sceptical. If I can come up with a good enough explaination I'll post it.

Mohammed Ali

[Tri-Enforcer]

lol. That was good. Glad to hear you're back. So I take it you are atleast cool with OoT being aLttP BS again...


That's cool. I understand why you may be sceptical. If I can come up with a good enough explaination I'll post it.

Mohammed Ali

Whatever event occurs after Link goes back in time, is not OOT, it's either a BS in itself or another game in itself. That event is the LTTP BS not OOT, since it didn't happen in OOT(what happened in the game is the game). But it is safe to say that OOT lead into that event, LTTP BS picks up where OOT left off.

[mohammedali]

Whatever event occurs after Link goes back in time, is not OOT, it's either a BS in itself or another game in itself.  That event is the LTTP BS not OOT, since it didn't happen in OOT(what happened in the game is the game).  But it is safe to say that OOT lead into that event, LTTP BS picks up where OOT left off.

That's exactly what I've been saying. However, I still think that OoT is part of aLttP BS in the sence it shows when Ganon touched the Triforce, and when the Dark World was created. I can't see how Ganon could have touched the Triforce twice when we see Link with the Triforce in the ending.

Mohammed Ali

[SOAP]

Assuming, that it is a timeline split, I think if anything, Link was sent back before he pulled out master sword since anything after that would just cause a timeloop. Ganondorf never rises to power and except for the child portion of OoT, not much of what Link did was ever recorded (Link might of told Zelda what happened or maybe her psychic abilities caused her to remember, no one can be certain). Link then goes on a quest and is presumably never seen again. And that's pretty much it. Anything further than that would be just fanfiction. Obviously most people would put OoT before ALttP but that doesn't mean it's ALttP's BS. And if ALttP occurs in the alternate future, nothing in OoT that remotely resembled the IW would've occured anyways. ...Unless of course you say it happened all over again anyways, but then that'd make sending Link back in the first place pretty pointless. Hyrule would be better off having Link in the future.

No, what I think happened instead was that Zelda sending Link back in time for the final time bought Hyrule some time. [img]http://forums.legendsalliance.com/public/ALOT.png[/img] of it. If he was sent before he ever touched the MS, this would change thinge history significantly enough since Ganondorf would not have followed Link into the Sacred Realm and seize the Triforce. He would be forced to find another entrance.

However--and this is point Fyxe comes in and cries out "FANFICTION"--I think that after OoT, in the new timeline, Ganondorf would have been arrested and thrown into the dungeoun before he has much of chance to do anything. Fanfictiony as it is though, even if Link was sent immediately before he touched the MS, Ganondorf did enough evil in Hyrule up until that point warrant incarceration. Either that, or he was exile or fled Hyrule on his own. In either case, he wouldn’t exactly be running around free in Hyrule else Link wouldn’t have left Hyrule at the beginning of MM.

Either in prison, or wherever he is, Ganondorf hasplenty of time to plot a different approach. Whole generations could have passed during that time. We don’t know for certain how long a Gerudo’s lifespan is. We do know their eldest Gerudo women are both 120 years old. And since a Gerudo male is only born once every one hundred years, I think in order for such a race to survive that long, Gerudo males would have to have pretty long lifespans as well. This one male would continue to mate with the other Gerudo until a male is born, then eventually dies. The new male takes his place and is raised by the other Gerudo until he is old enough to mate with the rest of the women (this could explain why all the Gerudo appear to be adult by the time of OoT since not many other females would be born after Ganondorf). Even still Ganondorf is not immortal ad will someday die. He’s at the end of it’s ropes and if he can’t find another route to the Sacred Realm, he’d have do something to buy himself more time.

I think this is where FSA comes in. We never see Ganondorf in his human form so I believe by this time, Ganondorf is an old crone of a man. I believe this Ganondorf is one and the same as the one from OoT, since the old Gerudo woman remembers raising him from an infant. So he’d either have to be a reincarnation (that also happened to share his name as well) or the same person. I choose the latter. So anyways, he goes and defies his people’s laws by entering the forbidden temple and stealing the Trident of Power from the Sacred Pyramid. He also steal the Mirror of darkness from another temple as well and throws Hyrule into chaos. He also begins to build up a sort of a following amongst the Dekus. While none of this helps him gain entry into the Sacred Realm, the Trident does make him immortal, or at least very god-like. Every game thereafter, he remains in his pig-form wielding that very same trident. He is then imprisoned into the Four Sword and sealed away by Link, Zelda, and the Seven Shrine Maidens.

This still isn’t the IW. This comes much later. Ganondorf manages to escape from the FS and forms yet another following. These men become the Enchanted Theives and follow Ganon as they storm Hyrule. During this time, he breaks into the Sacred Realm for the first time ever as far as everyone in this timeline is concerned. The rest of the events of IW pretty much follow exactly as they are told in ALttP. He then gets sealed up by the second generation Seven Sages (Third Generation, if you want count the Ancient Sages (Fourth if you want to throw in the Shrine Maidens with that posse)).

And of course, then ALttP takes place. I would place LoZ and AoL before OoT with a primordial Ganon just so Zelda’s statement in FSA makes sense (as well as other personal reasons) but that’s just me.

[mohammedali]

Assuming, that it is a timeline split, I think if anything, Link was sent back before he pulled out master sword since anything after that would just cause a timeloop. Ganondorf never rises to power and except for the child portion of OoT, not much of what Link did was ever recorded (Link might of told Zelda what happened or maybe her psychic abilities caused her to remember, no one can be certain). Link then goes on a quest and is presumably never seen again.  And that's pretty much it. Anything further than that would be just fanfiction. Obviously most people would put OoT before ALttP but that doesn't mean it's ALttP's BS. And if ALttP occurs in the alternate future, nothing in OoT that remotely resembled the IW would've occured anyways. ...Unless of course you say it happened all over again anyways, but then that'd make sending Link back in the first place pretty pointless. Hyrule would be better off having Link in the future.

I don't think Link was sent to a time before he pulled out the MS as he has the ToC on his hand at the end of OoT. This doesn't necesserily mean that there has to be a timeloop. There are various explinations of how it could work. I'm mention many of them in this thread alone. Assuming any one of these is the case, OoT would still be part of aLttP BS. i.e. the part where Ganon touches the Triforce, the SR is turned dark, and Ganon becomes King of Evil. The IW is a different event that follows shortly after OoT Child part.

However--and this is point Fyxe comes in and cries out "FANFICTION"--I think that after OoT, in the new timeline, Ganondorf would have been arrested and thrown into the dungeoun before he has much of chance to do anything. Fanfictiony as it is though, even if Link was sent immediately before he touched the MS, Ganondorf did enough evil in Hyrule up until that point warrant incarceration. Either that, or he was exile or fled Hyrule on his own. In either case, he wouldn’t exactly be running around free in Hyrule else Link wouldn’t have left Hyrule at the beginning of MM.

Well he swore an oath to the King, but I guess if Link was sent to just before he lifted the MS then he would indeed be imprissoned, or at least chased off. However, if you think Link was sent to his first meeting with Zelda then Ganon is still kissing the Kings ass.

I think this is where FSA comes in. We never see Ganondorf in his human form so I believe by this time, Ganondorf is an old crone of a man. I believe this Ganondorf is one and the same as the one from OoT, since the old Gerudo woman remembers raising him from an infant. So he’d either have to be  a reincarnation (that also happened to share his name as well) or the same person. I choose the latter.  So anyways, he goes and defies his people’s laws by entering the forbidden temple and stealing the Trident of Power from the Sacred Pyramid. He also steal the Mirror of darkness from another temple as well and throws Hyrule into chaos. He also begins to build up a sort of a following amongst the Dekus. While none of this helps him gain entry into the Sacred Realm, the Trident does make him immortal, or at least very god-like. Every game thereafter, he remains in his pig-form wielding that very same trident. He is then imprisoned into the Four Sword and sealed away by Link, Zelda, and the Seven Shrine Maidens.

I still haven't played FSA and don't imagine I will till it comes out on the DS, so I can't really comment on any of this. However, I'm begining to think that there may be a way that FSA could work as part of aLttP BS or something. However, I still need to play the game etc. so I really can't say.

This still isn’t the IW. This comes much later. Ganondorf manages to escape from the FS and forms yet another following. These men become the Enchanted Theives and follow Ganon as they storm Hyrule. During this time, he breaks into the Sacred Realm for the first time ever as far as everyone in this timeline is concerned. The rest of the events of IW pretty much follow exactly as they are told in ALttP. He then gets sealed up by  the second generation Seven Sages (Third Generation, if you want count the Ancient Sages (Fourth if you want to throw in the Shrine Maidens with that posse)).

Hmmmmmmm... The Sages should technically be first generation (which I take to be the desendants of the founders of Hyrule). However, it's a minor point.

And of course, then ALttP takes place. I would place LoZ and AoL before OoT with a primordial Ganon just so Zelda’s statement in FSA makes sense (as well as other personal reasons) but that’s just me.

Not sure which statement (feel free to post it). aLttP is shown to be before LoZ from ingame quotes and the box (though I know you know this, and are just a slave for the Miyamoto timeline that Wikipedia says was later withdrawn by NoA).

Mohammed Ali