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[Doopliss]

Lazurukeel said

To be perfectly honest I don't think you can really fit all of the games into a single timeline. I'm really doubting that there was this one gigantic, epic vision that all of the game stories adhered to.

It was probably more like "Hey that's pretty cool, and it fits, let's add it in."

Which moved to "Hmm, maybe we should explain that bit we added. Hell, we can go and make another game that could incorporate it."

Etc.

Etc.

Etc.

Everyone comes up with a timeline theory and claims it's right, but the day that Miyamoto comes and sits down, and presents a gigantic portfolio outling the entire history of Hyrule and it's people and every little thing that happens within all of the games, then I don't think anyone can really say that their timeline IS right. More, that it is 'most likely' right.

Not mattering who presents a timeline, if the game contradicts them, they aren't right.

By the way, Fyxe, Tri-Enfrocer, why don't you try to solve your personal problems privately? Otherwise a mod will have to take charge of the situation.

[Toan]

Chik's already suspended Tri.

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[Fyxe]

I don't even see what he said before he edited that post...

I was done anyway. I was just getting really ticked off with being insulted all the time. I may be a bit forward at times but I don't throw insults about until someone throws the first stone. I know it's still not smart to go down the 'he started it' road, of course, but just trying to explain myself.

Anyway, I'm sorry if anything I said was off the mark. That was all I planned on saying, anyway.

[FDL]

Fatgoron said

By that same line of reasoning Link shouldn't have had the ToC in OoT, since Ganondorf made a wish on/touched the triforce during it.
We see the ToP glowing on the back of Ganondorf's hand during the final battle in WW. It's either there because he has the ToP, or it's there for no reason whatsoever.

I think it's because he actually has the Triforce of Power. When you think about it, ALTTP says the Triforce stays with you till you die, so perhaps after the wish was made the Triforce pieces returned to Link, Zelda, and Ganon.

[Showsni]

Tri Enforcer said

MC-IW-LTTP-LA-FSBS-FSA-FW-OOT-MM-TWW-SZ-LoZ-AoL-Oracles

I'm perfectly happy with you putting the IW as seperate and before OoT (I do it myself), but I dislike the way OoT-MM-TWW comes between ALttP and LoZ-AoL - and, indeed, the way the SZ story is placed so near the end. Firstly, I dislike any games coming after TWW, due to the flood. I also think that SZ should be as early as possible - or else the whole SZ story is pretty pointless. Other than that, your timline seems to work. Perhaps you could swap FW-OoT-MM-TWW and SZ-LoZ-AoL-Oracles over, though?

[Nevermind]

What IS IW?

[Trinbadman]

The Imprisoning War.

[Nevermind]

Ahhh.....not an actual game huh o.o


Bear with me, the 64 was my first ever console so I've only really played from there onwards >.>

[Fatgoron]

Fierce Deity Link said

I think it's because he actually has the Triforce of Power. When you think about it, ALTTP says the Triforce stays with you till you die, so perhaps after the wish was made the Triforce pieces returned to Link, Zelda, and Ganon.

During the final battle Zelda/Tetra and Ganondorf have their triforce pieces shown on the backs of their hands, whilst Link doesn't. This leads me to believe that Ganondorf and Zelda/Tetra retained their pieces afer the wish, whilst Link did not.
Presumably, since the triforce was split, according to what I've observed anyway, the king would have retained the ToC from making the wish.

[Doopliss]

Anyway, the king should keep the Triforce until he dies, so was he already dead when he made his wish? At the end of the game the three parts shatter and go away soaring in three different directions.

[Hero of Slime]

If the Triforce is not whole at the end of TWW it makes the connection between TWW and ALttP even more messed up.

[Doopliss]

Hmm, not if you place ALttP before TWW.

[Tri-Enforcer]

Ahhhhhhhhh! It feels good to be back. Now, where was I?

Fatgoron said

By that same line of reasoning Link shouldn't have had the ToC in OoT, since Ganondorf made a wish on/touched the triforce during it.
We see the ToP glowing on the back of Ganondorf's hand during the final battle in WW. It's either there because he has the ToP, or it's there for no reason whatsoever.

The Triforce was already split by the time the final battle started with Ganon in OOT. It split when Ganon touched it, after Link allowed him access to the Sacred Realm. The ToC was hidden within Link during his 7 year sleep. The Triforce is not even whole during or after the final battle in OOT. Whereas in TWW, the Triforce is whole at the start of the battle, then Nohansen makes his wish...the final battle ensues but the Triforce is still whole, thus Ganon doesn't have the ToP (or any Triforce part) on him at the end of TWW. We even see the Triforce whole for a short period of time after Ganon was defeated, in TWW. Basically, I'm saying there's a clear distinction in the state of the Triforce between the final battles in OOT and TWW.

[Nevermind]

Unless the Triforce becomes whole again but the candidates, once receiving the power, retain the power? I mean it's a purely baseless theory, but it does explain the Triforce being whole in TWW as well as Link having it on his hand at the end of OoT, with Ganon having it on his hand in TWW, and that'd mean Princess Zelda has it at the end of OoT as well.

[Tri-Enforcer]

I was thinking pretty much the same thing. The Triforce parts correspond to what the holder wants most (this is a canon fact by the way). Ganon desired power the most, so he retained power when it split on him in OOT's past. Zelda is more inclined to wisdom, and of course courage to Link. Perhaps once a Triforce part leaves a person, as long as the person lives, the Triforce mark may resonate off and on as an indicator that the former holder once held a part, or would be the most likely holder.

[Nevermind]

Yeah I agree with that except for the bit about what they want. I always thought it was more a reflection of what was in their nature, as in the best candidate to represent each piece, which is kind of the same I guess. Yeah, as long as said candidate lives, then they still are the best representation of the piece of the Triforce, whether it is split or not. If it is not, then they represent it, if it is then they HAVE it.

[Showsni]

I'm perfectly happy with you putting the IW as seperate and before OoT (I do it myself), but I dislike the way OoT-MM-TWW comes between ALttP and LoZ-AoL - and, indeed, the way the SZ story is placed so near the end. Firstly, I dislike any games coming after TWW, due to the flood. I also think that SZ should be as early as possible - or else the whole SZ story is pretty pointless. Other than that, your timline seems to work. Perhaps you could swap FW-OoT-MM-TWW and SZ-LoZ-AoL-Oracles over, though? And maybe move the SZ before the FS games, since they don't involve the ToC.

[Nevermind]

Remember those shots of all those creatures running over that hill with the sunset behind them in the original TP trailer? That looks like IW stuff right there. To me at least.

And what's SZ?

[Showsni]

SZ stands for "Sleeping Zelda." It's the abbreviation for AoL's backstory.

[FDL]

Lazurukeel said

Remember those shots of all those creatures running over that hill with the sunset behind them in the original TP trailer? That looks like IW stuff right there. To me at least.

And what's SZ?

I'm still skeptical about there being a war actually shown in Zelda but I guess that'd be unique.

[Nevermind]

Unique and AWESOME O.O

Imagine just riding your horse straight into the middle of a massive pack pack of creatures. You know those little shadow imp things that bounced and jumped around in TWW? Annoying as all hell, and there was maybe between 10 and 20 of the things attacking you at once.

Imagine that, but you're on a horse, and instead of shadow imps, they're big moblins, and times it by about 10.



Ooooooooh that's gold o.o

[Tri-Enforcer]

Showsni said

I'm perfectly happy with you putting the IW as seperate and before OoT (I do it myself), but I dislike the way OoT-MM-TWW comes between ALttP and LoZ-AoL - and, indeed, the way the SZ story is placed so near the end. Firstly, I dislike any games coming after TWW, due to the flood. I also think that SZ should be as early as possible - or else the whole SZ story is pretty pointless. Other than that, your timline seems to work. Perhaps you could swap FW-OoT-MM-TWW and SZ-LoZ-AoL-Oracles over, though? And maybe move the SZ before the FS games, since they don't involve the ToC.

I'm kinda digging this timeline, Showsni. I can see why you placed the games in the order you have. According to you theory, is SZ the same Zelda from LTTP? That would be somewhat ideal considering how close to the beginning we have LTTP in our respective timelines. The LTTP Zelda could be the original Zelda, and all the Zeldas after her are named after her. Just a thought.

At the end of LTTP, the Triforce is whole. How does it split again by the time of the SZ backstory?

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Imagine just riding your horse straight into the middle of a massive pack pack of creatures. You know those little shadow imp things that bounced and jumped around in TWW? Annoying as all hell, and there was maybe between 10 and 20 of the things attacking you at once.

Even better.... Have you seen some of the trailers of Twilight Princess from E3? There is a horse battle scene with Link hacking through hordes of enemies on their horses, and I here there will be more in the game.

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Yeah, as long as said candidate lives, then they still are the best representation of the piece of the Triforce, whether it is split or not. If it is not, then they represent it, if it is then they HAVE it.

I feel you there.

[Showsni]

Tri-Enforcer said

I'm kinda digging this timeline, Showsni. I can see why you placed the games in the order you have. According to you theory, is SZ the same Zelda from LTTP? That would be somewhat ideal considering how close to the beginning we have LTTP in our respective timelines. The LTTP Zelda could be the original Zelda, and all the Zeldas after her are named after her. Just a thought.

At the end of LTTP, the Triforce is whole. How does it split again by the time of the SZ backstory?

It would be quite nice if they were the same Zelda, but since her brother isn't in ALttP and Link is unlikely to pass the Triforce to her father who then dies, I shouldn't think they are. Instead, I say that the SZ is ALttP Zelda's daughter or grand daughter. She is named after ALttP Zelda, and the triforce has passed from Link into the hands of the royal family after his death - or else Link marries Zelda and passes it to his son, who is the king in the AoL backstory. Then that king hides the ToC, and leaves the ToW and ToP in the royal family.

[Tri-Enforcer]

Oh I see what you're saying, it was the choice of the royal family to split up the Triforce just in case of trouble since there is no hero is around at the time. Actually, I never thought of this, but I guess it would be canon that the Royal Family can split the Triforce.

[Showsni]

The king explains why he splits the triforce in the AoL backstory - because he knows that some day he will day, and hasn't found anyone worthy of inheriting the triforce.

[Fyxe]

If Zelda is already the granddaughter of a Zelda I don't see an issue with just putting the story directly before AoL to avoid any Triforce-based fanficcy stuff.

[Tri-Enforcer]

I wouldn't mind seeing AoL and the SZ a lil closer as well. But of course we know to put SZ before LoZ, not directly before AoL.

[Fyxe]

Well, that's what I meant. Before the LoZ/AoL connection.

[Showsni]

The thing is, SZ and AoL does have a very long time gap in between. Impa says that generations of her family have passed the Triforce down, and that the SZ story is a very ancient legend - so long, that even the language they used has changed beyond recognition. A gap this long must be at least, what, 1000 years for the language to change so much?