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[Fyxe]

I was not arguing against your timeline, I was saying that game creator quotes are the the only direct evidence that say OoT is before ALttP and it is because of the game creators that most timeliners put OoT before ALttP. I however think a timeline can work with ALttP before OoT.

Actually I think at time of release it was painfully obvious that OoT was intended as a prequel to ALttP and the other games. It's just now that there are more games people enjoy ignoring that fact.

Anyway, the game designers who worked on the final design for Ganondorf himself knew specifically that they were aiming for what Ganon was like before the whole Imprisoning War thing. There was a quote from a designer somewhere who said this.

Tri-Enforcer, comparing quotes from designers to a discontinued early tech demo is silly.

[Doopliss]

Oh, well, in that case, I think that explains it fairly well.

[Crazy Penguin]

Actually I think at time of release it was painfully obvious that OoT was intended as a prequel to ALttP and the other games.  It's just now that there are more games people enjoy ignoring that fact.

Anyway, the game designers who worked on the final design for Ganondorf himself knew specifically that they were aiming for what Ganon was like before the whole Imprisoning War thing.  There was a quote from a designer somewhere who said this.

http://www.angelfire...otcomments.html

The first thing we thought of on Ganon was why did you make him that kind of character?


When I first thought about Ganon, I had the image of a crooked and complex thief, who was basically an all around abominable human being. That's why I wanted to make Ganon to this image I had, but the Design Team and the Script Director Mr. Osawa said "that's not the case. This time, Ganon will actually have parts where he is rather good." In terms of "Fist of the North Star"* he'd probably be like Raoh. He's supposed to be a more good man**, with lot's of charisma and a big-shot attitude, and so we remade him.
*a comic book series, and later a TV show
**the connotation for "man" is a younger one

We made three forms of Ganon: Ganondorf in the beginning, Ganondorf seven years later with long hair, and Ganon at the end. Just to let you know, Ganondorf actually has a tentative model. We kept Christopher Lambert's image in our heads.... But the end result came out quite different we think.

In past, when you thought about Ganon in Zelda, he was a pig. This time, when were collaborating ideas, we thought "He wouldn't be a pig, would he?" There were even some who thought "I don't want him to be a pig." But I still thought that at least the end should have Ganon as a pig. The whole time I wanted to know what Mr. Miyamoto thought, but in the end, I realized that Mr. Miyamoto didn't have an opinion on the matter, so I decided to do it the way I wanted.

This time, the story really wasn't an original. We were dealing with the "The Imprisoning War of the Seven Sages" from the SNES edition Zelda. To give that game a little "secret" recognition, I thought that keeping the "pigness" in Ganon would be the correct course. So we made him a beast "with the feeling of a pig."

Well, in that sense, "a pig is a pig." When he transforms, and we see the rise of face, there is that not quite concealed feeling of a pig left.
You know there's that cold medicine "Kaigen"*? Well, just between the staff, you know the "Wind God"** character for "Kaigen," some people have even called Ganon that. (laughs) "I've got a cold!"***
(Character Designer Satoru Takizawa)

*Kaigen is a brand of cold medicine
**The wind god is Kaigen's mascot:
http://www3.osk.3web.../kami/tachi.gif
I think the staff like calling Ganon the mascot because they sort of look similar.
*** That quote is probably what the Wind God said in his commercials or something.

[Fyxe]

Crazy Penguin, cheers very much, that interview rocks. The other one has some strong evidence that not only does OoT come before ALttP, but ALttP comes before AoL.

Basically, the very basic early Zelda timeline seems so strong.

OoT - ALttP/LA - LoZ/AoL

It just works too well.

[Tri-Enforcer]

I'm sorry if I'm coming off bullheaded, but the inconsistancies of the creators, and the shallowness of these forums leaves me no choice but to be. People listen up:

If you placed LTTP after OOT, then you'd definitely have to include MM and TWW in between the two. So it would look something like this: OOT-MM-TWW-LTTP. Why would it be set up like this? Well, TWW is a sequal to OOT. As we know Ganon is sealed at the end of OOT, however as we see in TWW, Ganon is no longer sealed (which is why Hyrule is now submerged at this point), according to TWW's backstory. I bring this up to show that Ganon is outside of his imprisonment. But if you've been following this thread I mentioned earlier that one of the maidens in LTTP say that Ganon was not able to find his way back to the Light World after being sealed in the IW. So if OOT is the IW, what the heck is Ganon doing outside his imprisonment in TWW?

Also, in LTTP we see that Ganon is already inside of the Dark World with the whole Triforce to himself. As we know when he was sealed in OOT, Ganon only had the Triforce of Power at his disposal, not the whole Triforce. And if throw TWW before LTTP that really misses it up cuz at the end of that he didn't have any Triforce part.

Now, the LTTP backstory doesn't seem to cover Ganon becoming unsealed again, and causing Hyrule to be flooded and the establishment of a new kingdom, and how the hell he got back into the Dark World again with the who Triforce to himself. Keep in mind there was an updated verision of LTTP that was created couple years back (and it's more recent than OOT by the way), the creators had there shot at clearing all this up, but they didn't. All they did was change a few words around, and renamed the wisemen as sages. But that's it. No explanation on how TWW and other events in between OOT and LTTP fit into this. They had they're chance to clear this up but they didn't.

I mean the creators once said FS was the earliest in the timeline, if we place LTTP after OOT that would be very hard to do. You have to understand different scriptors work on didferent games in the series, so there's bound to be some mistake. If I'm worng, can you really blame me, especially with all these inconsitancies.

[MikePetersSucks]

If you placed LTTP after OOT, then you'd definitely have to include MM and TWW in between the two. So it would look something like this: OOT-MM-TWW-LTTP. Why would it be set up like this? Well, TWW is a sequal to OOT. As we know Ganon is sealed at the end of OOT, however as we see in TWW, Ganon is no longer sealed (which is why Hyrule is now submerged at this point), according to TWW's backstory. I bring this up to show that Ganon is outside of his imprisonment. But if you've been following this thread I mentioned earlier that one of the maidens in LTTP say that Ganon was not able to find his way back to the Light World after being sealed in the IW. So if OOT is the IW, what the heck is Ganon doing outside his imprisonment in TWW?

The Ganondorf in TWW could be an avatar like Agahnim was.

And work on your spelling. I can hardly read a damn thing you're saying.

[Tri-Enforcer]

The Ganondorf in TWW could be an avatar like Agahnim was.

And work on your spelling. I can hardly read a damn thing you're saying.

Ok lets says he is an avatar. Then what about the Triforce? The Triforce is whole at the end of TWW. Once more it'll still be hard to explain how the whole Triforce ended up in Ganon's hands at the start of LTTP. Please don't say it went back to the Dark World, because that would be rediculous to go there while the real Ganon is in it. Also, I'm sure Ganon wouldn't entrust an avatar with the Triforce of Power. It doesn't work, sorry. Also, work on your attitude.

[Doopliss]

Yes, you have all the reason Tri-Enforcer, actually, I feel a little embarassed for not having seen something so obvious. Fanwanking would be needed to explain how the Triforce could get back to the Sacred Realm after TWW. By the way, I remember I read somewhere that the Triforce was used a lot of time ago from OoT, I'll look for it.

[mohammedali]

If you placed LTTP after OOT, then you'd definitely have to include MM and TWW in between the two. So it would look something like this: OOT-MM-TWW-LTTP. Why would it be set up like this? Well, TWW is a sequal to OOT. As we know Ganon is sealed at the end of OOT, however as we see in TWW, Ganon is no longer sealed (which is why Hyrule is now submerged at this point), according to TWW's backstory. I bring this up to show that Ganon is outside of his imprisonment. But if you've been following this thread I mentioned earlier that one of the maidens in LTTP say that Ganon was not able to find his way back to the Light World after being sealed in the IW. So if OOT is the IW, what the heck is Ganon doing outside his imprisonment in TWW?

It doesn't have to be like that. My theory has 2 timelines coming from OoT, and so WW doesn't have to come before OR after aLttP. They both work fine like this.

Also, in LTTP we see that Ganon is already inside of the Dark World with the whole Triforce to himself. As we know when he was sealed in OOT, Ganon only had the Triforce of Power at his disposal, not the whole Triforce.  And if throw TWW before LTTP that really misses it up cuz at the end of that he didn't have any Triforce part.

But we know that Agahnim sent Zelda over to Ganon in aLttP. Hence, he could have easily acquired the ToW from her when she got there. As for the ToC, this could have either been found by Ags (who is Ganons alter ego), or could have remained with Link, and detatched itself from Link's hand to join with the Triforce. All this is obviously not what the story originally inteneded, but it must be a missing part of the story that allows continuity (albeit at the expence of the storys simplisity).

Now, the LTTP backstory doesn't seem to cover Ganon becoming unsealed again, and causing Hyrule to be flooded and the establishment of a new kingdom, and how the hell he got back into the Dark World again with the who Triforce to himself. Keep in mind there was an updated verision of LTTP that was created couple years back (and it's more recent than OOT by the way), the creators had there shot at clearing all this up, but they didn't. All they did was change a few words around, and renamed the wisemen as sages. But that's it. No explanation on how TWW and other events in between OOT and LTTP fit into this. They had they're chance to clear this up but they didn't.

That's a very good point which does indeed further suggest WW does not go before aLttP. We also know that it doesn't go AFTER aLttP either, hence 2 timelines is even more inviting.

I mean the creators once said FS was the earliest in the timeline, if we place LTTP after OOT that would be very hard to do. You have to understand different scriptors work on didferent games in the series, so there's bound to be some mistake. If I'm worng, can you really blame me, especially with all these inconsitancies.

It's quite one thing to listen to Miyamoto on storyline points for a game he just produced. It's quite another listening to him on storyline poing a long time after producing a game (LoZ-AoL-aLttP anyone?). To listen to Miyamoto a while after a game he didn't even have much influence on is just pointless. He has no idea what he's talking about there as I can garentee he hasn't even played the game. The man doesn't even play the game's he produces, let alone one by Capcom.

Mohammed Ali

[Tri-Enforcer]

(Mohammed) But we know that Agahnim sent Zelda over to Ganon in aLttP. Hence, he could have easily acquired the ToW from her when she got there. As for the ToC, this could have either been found by Ags (who is Ganons alter ego), or could have remained with Link, and detatched itself from Link's hand to join with the Triforce. All this is obviously not what the story originally inteneded, but it must be a missing part of the story that allows continuity (albeit at the expence of the storys simplisity).

Thanks for your contribution, Ali. However, for those who place OOT and LTTP respectively, you'd still have to we explain how the Triforce was split again causing it to be seperated by the time LTTP start (just going by your example). As we know, it was whole at the end of TWW, and Ganon had no Triforce part on him at that game's end. You can do some fanwanking on how this occurs and all, but it'll still be yet another vital part to Hyrule's history that's overlooked (if you use your example and go by the OOT-TWW-LTTP order).

It doesn't have to be like that. My theory has 2 timelines coming from OoT, and so WW doesn't have to come before OR after aLttP. They both work fine like this.

Ahhhh, yes the split timeline. Actually, I'm a split timeline advocate. I just wanted to make a single timeline for the heck of it. I'm still revamping split timeline. For now, I'm just working with this single timeline.

Yes, you have all the reason Tri-Enforcer, actually, I feel a little embarassed for not having seen something so obvious. Fanwanking would be needed to explain how the Triforce could get back to the Sacred Realm after TWW. By the way, I remember I read somewhere that the Triforce was used a lot of time ago from OoT, I'll look for it.

Thanks I'd appreciate it.

[MikePetersSucks]

I just wanted to make a single timeline for the heck of it.

Then why are you protecting it if you don't think it works?

[Tri-Enforcer]

Then why are you protecting it if you don't think it works?

It's my way of not being biased. I want to find out as many possibilities or answers as possible. I do what I do for the sake of hearing what others may have to say.

[MikePetersSucks]

That's bull. If you want to explore new possibilities you wouldn't have been so rude to everyone who challenged your theory.

[Tri-Enforcer]

That's bull. If you want to explore new possibilities you wouldn't have been so rude to everyone who challenged your theory.

I wasn't rude to anyone. I only answered everyones replies. I do admit, there was one person I was rude to but I apologized. As for you...you drew first blood by coming at me in a bogus way. All I do is offere my opinion, the more we share ideas and rubutt them, the more we can figure out. However, if I have a good notion about something, I will defend it, simply because it's an idea I thought out. If I'm dead wrong then I'll just give in and take into consideration what everyone has offered and compile that in another theory. This is just how I operate. So if you have any other rebuttals or questions to this timeline, you're welcome to do so.

[Tri-Enforcer]

Moving along....

I just wanted to reiterate some points I've been making in this thread, along with some new ones I didn't mention.

Point 1) If you look at the start of LTTP--(I bring up LTTP since so many associate the IW backstory with OOT) Ganon has the WHOLE Triforce to himself inside the Sacred/Dark World. How did this happen when, if the Triforce split in three (in OOT), and then the ToC split into eight (sometime before TWW/Flood) when Link left...then in TWW the new Link reassembles the ToC, then impales and petrifies Ganon (who no longer had any Triforce piece, at the end of TWW)?

With that said people still put the games mentioned above in this order: OOT-MM-TWW--LTTP (I'm not disputing that order, it's fine with me). Looking at the TWW's ending, I couldn't help but wander how did a Triforceless, petrified, and submerged Gerudo end up trapped in the Dark World with the WHOLE Triforce at the start of LTTP, IF the LTTP IW backstory is referencing to OOT?

Possibilities:

Perhaps the LTTP backstory is referencing OOT, after all the backstory only states that Ganon made a wish on the Triforce and was later sealed. The backstory does't state if the Triforce split on him or that he only had the ToP when he was sealed--it didn't state AT ALL how much of the Triforce Ganon had. So maybe small details like that were left out. Also, perhaps what happened in the LTTP backstory isn't the story of why Ganon is currently in the Dark World at the start of LTTP. Maybe the IW story was perhaps one of the most defining moments in the world of Hyrule and was it's grandest epic. So people always draw inspiration from that. Maybe some other event, that was on a minor scale than the IW, occured. Perhaps that event could explain how Ganon ended up in the Dark World with the WHOLE Triforce to himself.

Point 2) The above possibility sounds good but not quite. Especially if we take this quote in considertation (This is what the maiden at the Swamp Palace had to say to Link after being rescued in LTTP):

The Triforce will grant the
wishes of whoever touches it,
as long as that person lives...
That is why it was hidden in
the Golden Land. Only a select
few were toldof its location,
but at some point that
knowledge was lost...
The person who rediscovered
the Golden Land was
an evil thief named Ganondorf.
Luckily, he couldn't figure out
how to return to the Light
World...

This maiden is referencing to the IW backstory told earlier in the game. As you play more and more into the LTTP, as the story unfolds, it appears that the IW backstory IS the story of why Ganon is sealed in the Dark World at the start of LTTP. As you see she clearly mentions that since the time of IW, when Ganon was sealed, he hadn't found a way out.

So all those theories about OOT being the IW and other events involving Ganon in between the IW and LTTP would not be plausible. Why wouldn't OOT be the IW? Because after OOT Ganon breaks out, right? That sets the stage for TWW, right? But according to LTTP, Ganon has been in the Dark World sense he was sealed in the IW. Now this comes from a maiden, who is a descendant of the sages who sealed Ganon! (this has been stated in the GBA and SNES versions)

Point 3) Well, lets not forget about the interviews. The interviews stating that OOT is the IW. You must keep in mind that 7 Zelda games have been released since OOT, including one that came with an updated version of LTTP. None of these games seem to have even come close to tying up the inconsistencies that I have mentioned above. With the TWW's release, the creators have come even further off track from tying up some of those discrepancies. The point I'm making here is that the creators may have scrapped the idea of the IW being OOT. The trend in the last 7 games shows this.

Point 4) Also, here's another possibility as of to why OOT may not be the IW described in LTTP: (here's what Sahasrahla had to say after Link retrieved the Pendant of Courage in LTTP):

According to the tales handed
down by the Hylians, only the
Hero who has destroyed threegreat evils and won the three
Pendants can wield the sword... I see you have acquired the
Pendant of Courage. I will tell
you about the legend behind it. Generations ago, an order of
knights protected Hylian
royalty. These Knights of Hyrule were
also guardians of the Pendant
of Courage. It has been said that whenever
disaster waylays the royal
family, a Hero shall emergefrom the bloodline of the
Knights of Hyrule...
Unfortunately, most of themwere destroyed in the great
war against evil that took
place when the seven sagescreated their seal, so it
was thought a hero would
never again emerge...But lo! I believe you are our
hero, Link! Find the
remaining Pendants.

There were no Knights of Hyrule guarding a Pendant of Courage in OOT. (which that and two other pendant are needed to retrieve the MS in LTTP--in OOT you needed three stones or something like that to get the MS and none of those stones were guarded by the Knights of Hyrule).

[Crazy Penguin]

I can't say I understand the point you're trying to make.

Ocarina of Time was stated to be the Sealing War at the time of its release, despite the slight inconsistencies. How can these slight inconsistencies have more merit today than they did seven years ago?

It's all fine and well pointing out the inconsistencies, but those very same inconsistencies existed at the time when the creators stated it to be the Sealing War.

[Tri-Enforcer]

I can't say I understand the point you're trying to make.

It's the same thing that I've been talking about from the start of this page: I placed LTTP long before OOT, instead of the norm, which is to place OOT before LTTP. I was just going over points that the IW is not OOT.

Ocarina of Time was stated to be the Sealing War at the time of its release, despite the slight inconsistencies. How can these slight inconsistencies have more merit today than they did seven years ago?

It's all fine and well pointing out the inconsistencies, but those very same inconsistencies existed at the time when the creators stated it to be the Sealing War

That's the point I'm trying to make. I know that those inconsitencies existed, but did nothing for them then and they have done nothing for them in the last 7 games that were released after OOT. (Including the re-release of LTTP which could've helped out [img]http://forums.legendsalliance.com/public/ALOT.png[/img]) The creators probably no longer associate the IW with OOT. Seeing that none of the last 7 games they've made have done nothing to fix these inconsitencies. Particularly with TWW, that really makes me believe OOT is not the IW. That game diverged OOT too far away from the connections it may have to the IW

[MikePetersSucks]

And they should be bothered to fix these inconsistencies....why? I'd rather have new games. as Fyxe and several other people have stated, Nintendo can never fix ALL their inconsistencies.

[MikePetersSucks]

And they should be bothered to fix these inconsistencies....why? I'd rather have new games. as Fyxe and several other people have stated, Nintendo can never fix ALL their inconsistencies.

Perhaps the LTTP backstory is referencing OOT, after all the backstory only states that Ganon made a wish on the Triforce and was later sealed. The backstory does't state if the Triforce split on him or that he only had the ToP when he was sealed--it didn't state AT ALL how much of the Triforce Ganon had. So maybe small details like that were left out. Also, perhaps what happened in the LTTP backstory isn't the story of why Ganon is currently in the Dark World at the start of LTTP. Maybe the IW story was perhaps one of the most defining moments in the world of Hyrule and was it's grandest epic. So people always draw inspiration from that. Maybe some other event, that was on a minor scale than the IW, occured. Perhaps that event could explain how Ganon ended up in the Dark World with the WHOLE Triforce to himself.

Or maybe we could just take a peek at OOT. Y'know, whatever.

As you see she clearly mentions that since the time of IW, when Ganon was sealed, he hadn't found a way out.

Good thing he didn't. Some people have a theory that Ganon, in TWW, is a puppet of the real Ganondorf. The Ganondorf we saw for the majority of that game was a puppet, revealing that the real one with the real Zelda was upstairs. Can't see why that one can't be similar to Agahnim.

The trend in the last 7 games shows this.

And only like, one or two of those games have any connection at all with OOT.

There were no Knights of Hyrule guarding a Pendant of Courage in OOT. (which that and two other pendant are needed to retrieve the MS in LTTP--in OOT you needed three stones or something like that to get the MS and none of those stones were guarded by the Knights of Hyrule).

They were guarded by Link for an interval in OOT. It could be a metaphor, since the manga does say Link may have been descended from a Knight. And I'm sure you can wedge FSA in this mess somewhere.

[Tri-Enforcer]

They were guarded by Link for an interval in OOT. It could be a metaphor, since the manga does say Link may have been descended from a Knight. And I'm sure you can wedge FSA in this mess somewhere.

There were no Pendants of Courage in OOT, or any of the other 2 pendants. That's what I'm trying to say. I'm not referring to the sacred stones that Link had to collect in OOT. The quote from the sage descendant (in LTTP) clearly states the Pendant of Courage was guarded by the Knight of Hyrule, during the IW. As I said before there are no Pendants in OOT. Also, in LTTP the Pendant of Courage (you remember, right?) and the other 2 pendants are needed to retrieve the Master Sword. The whole purpose of the pendants is to protect the Master Sword. If the pendants existed at the time of OOT, then why do you need the sacred stones instead to get the Master Sword. You can't say, "A different purpose, for a different time" because the quote is referencing to the IW, as in during that time, the Pendants existed to hide the master sword.

Good thing he didn't. Some people have a theory that Ganon, in TWW, is a puppet of the real Ganondorf. The Ganondorf we saw for the majority of that game was a puppet, revealing that the real one with the real Zelda was upstairs. Can't see why that one can't be similar to Agahnim.

Once again, that supposed puppet cost Ganon the ToP at the end of TWW. Just like Aghanim didn't possesse the Triforce (nor entrusted with it) in LTTP, a mere avatar in TWW wouldn't be entrusted with the ToP.

And only like, one or two of those games have any connection at all with OOT.

Three to be exact (LTTP updated version, MM, and TWW) all pretty major titles.

And they should be bothered to fix these inconsistencies....why? I'd rather have new games. as Fyxe and several other people have stated, Nintendo can never fix ALL their inconsistencies.

That's just bad story telling, if you like crappy stories be my guest.

[Fyxe]

It's a game, not a freakin' novel.

[Mystic Kitsune]

That, and whats with all the double posting?

[Tri-Enforcer]

It's a game, not a freakin' novel.

If it's that simplistic, why bother having these forums to talk about the Zelda storyline. That defeats the purpose. You might as well say that about everything, ever discussed in these forums.

[Fyxe]

That's BS and you know it. Accepting that the game's storyline is not the same as a bleedin' novel does not defeat the purpose of this forum. Maybe it defeats the purpose of YOUR timeline...

[Tri-Enforcer]

That's BS and you know it. Accepting that the game's storyline is not the same as a bleedin' novel does not defeat the purpose of this forum. Maybe it defeats the purpose of YOUR timeline...

You have the nerve to talk about people with an attitude or an ego, you better not ever try to get on my case about that. Who the hell said I ever wanted a novel? Accepting bogus mistakes is the ultimate cop out to discussing the issues of the Zelda storyline. You want the timeline to be the way you described it so bad don't you? It's easy to say, "just accept it...that's the way it is". If that's the case you can use that pathetic excuse on every mystery with the timeline. I'm not comparing this to a novel. I probably wouldn't even read Zelda if it were a novel--the story is bland anyway. All I'm looking for is a consistent flow of events. I guess I'm just one of those whistleblowers who likes to point out what's wrong, that's all I'm doing.

[Hero of Slime]

Tri-Enforcer, if ALttP is before OoT, can you explain why the hylian race is alive in OoT but in ALttP the hylia (which was changed to hylian in the remake) are described as an ancient race?

[Tri-Enforcer]

Tri-Enforcer, if ALttP is before OoT, can you explain why the hylian race is alive in OoT but in ALttP the hylia (which was changed to hylian in the remake) are described as an ancient race?

They're still Hylian in LTTP, the only difference is that the early Hylians were more accustomed to magic than later hylians. If you look at the Hylians in both games, they all seem to possess the same traits. On my timeline the early Hylians existed before and after the time of the IW. ( Early Hylian(IW)--LTTP (later Hylian)--OOT(also later Hylian).

[Fyxe]

I'm not having an ego. I'm calling you on the rubbish you said.

It's not a cop out.

The only way to judge the timeline is to judge it on what the designers intended. Otherwise, what's the point of having prequels (like ALttP and OoT) and sequels (like AoL and MM) if anyone can just move them around to their own whim?

Tri-Enforcer, you didn't actually answer Zol's question.

[Hero of Slime]

The living people in ALttP are not called Hylian. They are only said to have some Hylian ancestors.

[Tri-Enforcer]

I'm not having an ego. I'm calling you on the rubbish you said.

It's not a cop out.

The only way to judge the timeline is to judge it on what the designers intended. Otherwise, what's the point of having prequels (like ALttP and OoT) and sequels (like AoL and MM) if anyone can just move them around to their own whim?

Tri-Enforcer, you didn't actually answer Zol's question.

I answered it and that's my final answer. What's the point of coming up with timeline theories when the facts don't jive even with what the creators intended.
If you give us the answer to a problem, but no matter how you work it out, you don’t come up with the same answer. Then the person who gave you the answer doesn’t elaborate and just goes on to something else, why even bother trying to solve that person’s problem? If for every inconsistency we accept it for what it is, then you might as well give the same pathetic excuse for any other issues.