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#1 Octorok

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Posted 09 July 2005 - 04:59 PM

The Zol and I have teamed up to bring you the best timeline we could think of!

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And here it is:

SZ-TMC-OoT-MM-TWW-FS-FSA-IW-LttP-LA-OoS-OoA-LoZ-AoL

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#2 Reflectionist

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Posted 09 July 2005 - 05:09 PM

Perhaps you could explain it in more detail?

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Posted 09 July 2005 - 05:12 PM

Yeah, tis not much of a time line theory if you dont offer explanation as to how you string them together...

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Posted 09 July 2005 - 05:14 PM

THat would take too much time. It works better if you just ask questions about the parts you don't understand, that way one of us can answer it.

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Posted 09 July 2005 - 05:17 PM

Okay, fine.

Why doesn't the Imprisoning War take place anywhere NEAR Ocarina of Time?

any other questions I could come up with would revolve around the fact that I don't know every single detail of every other game.

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Posted 09 July 2005 - 05:20 PM

The IW is LttP's backstory, and since LttP does not occur very near OoT, neither does the IW.

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Posted 09 July 2005 - 05:58 PM

That's not very logical. Why should the IW occur *near* ALttP?

Also, how does the sleeping Zelda story occur when the Triforce is still in the Sacred Realm?

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Posted 09 July 2005 - 06:38 PM

how does the sleeping Zelda story occur when the Triforce is still in the Sacred Realm?

Let's just say it involves fanwanking.

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Posted 09 July 2005 - 06:40 PM

And the topic thus dies due to complete pointlessness.

Seriously, if you're going to fanwank stuff, and especially if you're not going to discuss it, this thread is meaningless.

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Posted 09 July 2005 - 08:26 PM

...that's my timeline! :P

Well, if you place TMC after TWW and have FSA/IW the same thing I say this one has been ripped off.

Why is TMC first, anyways?

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Posted 09 July 2005 - 09:14 PM

In TMC's BS we are introduced to the Hero of Men, Hyrule's previous hero, who was chosen by the Picori to wield the Picori Blade (Four Sword) and was given the Light Force to bring the land...light. This Hero did not wear a hat and neither does Link at the beginning of the game. Most people believe this is where the hat wearing hero tradition started, thus they place TMC at the beginning of their timelines. There is also no mention of the Triforce or Ganon/dorf in TMC.

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Posted 09 July 2005 - 09:23 PM

Why is TMC first, anyways?

Octo and I like MC to be first. There's no real evidence to say that MC comes first, but there is nothing that says it can't be first. I think your way could also work.

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Posted 09 July 2005 - 10:39 PM

How do you explain the existence of the Dark World in FSA if it was destroyed when the king made his wish in TWW? Plus, I think you should elaborate a timeline that involves the less fanwanking possible.

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Posted 09 July 2005 - 10:45 PM

I don't think It was destroyed. It was only changed. The Dark World in FSA is either a reflection of the Kings heart or a reflection of someone else who made a wish in between TWW and FSA. I think its impossible to make a Timeline without Fanwanking .

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Posted 09 July 2005 - 10:46 PM

Ok. A question.

Would it be too bad of 'fanwanking' (for some reason leia in a gold bikini comes to mind...) if the White Sword was the Four Sword (as in MC...) but was the same White Sword from LoZ?

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Posted 09 July 2005 - 10:56 PM

That would work if MC was after LOZ.

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Posted 10 July 2005 - 05:59 AM

That's not very logical.  Why should the IW occur *near* ALttP?

Also, how does the sleeping Zelda story occur when the Triforce is still in the Sacred Realm?


I'll repeat my post in the hope of an actual answer.

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Posted 10 July 2005 - 07:01 AM

Like Fyxe, I want to know how on earth you fit the Sleeping Zelda story there. We're told in ALttP and OoT that the triforce was originally in the SR - how does it leave this for the SZ story? And the ToC can't leave the Great Palace in between SZ and AoL. In other words, no games involving the ToC can become between SZ and AoL - which immediately destroys much of your theory.

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Posted 10 July 2005 - 01:44 PM

How do you explain the existence of the Dark World in FSA if it was destroyed when the king made his wish in TWW? Plus, I think you should elaborate a timeline that involves the less fanwanking possible.

I think you need to be IN the Sacred Realm in order to change it. Either that, or the Trident of Evil is powerful enough to subvert the Sacred Realm.

Would it be too bad of 'fanwanking' (for some reason leia in a gold bikini comes to mind...) if the White Sword was the Four Sword (as in MC...) but was the same White Sword from LoZ?

I would believe so. A whole lot of swords in the universe are white. And the one from LOZ doesn't split you into three.

Now to dissect this theory >:D

SZ-TMC-OoT-MM-TWW-FS-FSA-IW-LttP-LA-OoS-OoA-LoZ-AoL


The majority of this theory is acceptable, but your SZ placement is ludicrous. As everyone said, you can't place SZ first. The Triforce wasn't even tin Hyrule by then. Not to mention that the Minish would probably wake her up on one of their trips with their whole "Make humanity happy" agenda. Even if the Sleeping Zelda did somehow survive all the attacks on the castle and the flood of Hyrule, how in the hell do you explain the Triforce of Courage? In order to make your theory work, you have to get rid of EVERY game except LOZ and AOL. Your theory is not plausible.

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Posted 10 July 2005 - 01:50 PM

not bad, just move the SZ story. i just want to know what makes you put the IW where you put it. Not that it's wrong, but I would just like to know why there specifically.

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Posted 10 July 2005 - 04:54 PM

The IW is ALttP's back story so it is before ALttP.

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Posted 10 July 2005 - 05:42 PM

Way to miss the point.

Why does the IW have to occur *directly* before ALttP?

Most people recognised (at least at the time of release, people seem to be sticking their fingers in their ears these days) that OoT was intended to be the true events of the Imprisoning War. So why should the IW occur immediately before ALttP, without any games inbetween?

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Posted 10 July 2005 - 05:50 PM

OoT is not the Imprisoning War. The IW tells why Ganon is in the Dark World in ALttP. How can OoT be the imprisoning war if Ganon was released in TWW and then Killed.

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Posted 10 July 2005 - 05:56 PM

Nobody knows how Ganon was released in TWW. And it's Ganon, it's not like he really ever 'dies'.

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Posted 10 July 2005 - 06:09 PM

Nobody knows how Ganon was released in TWW. And it's Ganon, it's not like he really ever 'dies'.

But he was released.He is not in the Sacred realm during TWW.

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Posted 10 July 2005 - 06:47 PM

Well, was he? We know that in WW, until Link removes the sword, Ganon is sealed by the seal of the Gods that keeps him in the flooded Hyrule. But somehow he's not, somehow he's out of the seal. This is never explained. He just starts regaining his power faster afterwards.

In ALttP, he manifests himself as Agahnim beyond the seal.

Maybe he never truely broke free from the Sacred Realm. The Ganon you face in WW is 'part' of Ganon, but not his true form or true power.

This is just a possiblity. We don't know. It is never explained. But the fact is that Ganon *can* somehow bypass the 'Seal of the Gods' and the 'Seal of the Sages', at least in part.

Also remember, *why* did the gods flood Hyrule? Couldn't they of just resealed Ganon in the Sacred Realm? Maybe this was impossible, because maybe the seal was still intact.

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Posted 10 July 2005 - 07:15 PM

If ganon never left the Sacred Realm after Oot then explain how he had the whole Triforce in the Sacred Realm during ALttP.

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Posted 10 July 2005 - 07:21 PM

Ignoring the ending of WW for a moment and sticking with OoT...

Basically, Link and Zelda eventually die, the pieces return to the Sacred Realm or Ganon somehow recovers them (that's by no means beyond the realm of possiblity, we know that, in WW that's precisely what he's attempting to do).

WW doesn't stop this from happening, either.

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Posted 10 July 2005 - 07:39 PM

And what about the War? There is no war in Ocarina of Time. The IW says the Hylian Kinghts and the sages sealed Ganon. In Oot Link is the one who sealed Ganon and the Knights are never mentioned.

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Posted 10 July 2005 - 08:18 PM

Link was not the one who sealed Ganon. It was the Seven Sages with the *aid* of Link.

Yes, there are no 'Hylian Knights' in OoT. That's true. But are you seriously suggesting that Ganon accidently discovers the Triforce and attacks Hyrule, then is sealed by the legendary Seven Sages... Twice?

The backstory of ALttP is legend.

The developers of OoT have basically said it was intended to be the Imprisoning War.




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