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[Showsni]

I'm not entirely sure what you're saying, but I'm saying that there were, I don't know, loads of princesses we don't see. The Hyrule history takes place over many centuries, correct? Meaning there's more than just the princesses we see. Far more. So, out of about... Probably well over 50 princesses, a few were named Zelda. That was until the particular SZ took place, and ALL princesses were named Zelda after that.

Yes, but it's a pretty major coincidence that every time the hero appeared, the present princess just happened to be one called Zelda, without some explanation - i.e. the SZ story. It's not absolutely vital the SZ appears very early on, but if it can it's better than appearing later. We have no canon evidence of any first born princess of the royal family not being called Zelda, except for Tetra - and clearly, by that time the prince's decree has been forgotten. Except by the King of Red Lions - which means that SZ must come in the same timeline as TWW, and before it, or he wouldn't call Tetra Zelda.

Ganon's just a nickname for Ganondorf. He could be different people, but then there's the similarity of the name. We know he can be resurrected from AoL and Oracles. And the ancient demon reborn line in FSA - but then they could just mean that he's like the previous Ganondorf, I suppose. My timeline would have three different Ganondorfs, I suppose... One from IW-ALttP, one from FSA-LoZ/OoX and one from OoT-TWW.

[Doopliss]

Er. The Dekus chant Ganon. Ganondorf and Ganon in FSA are clearly the same thing.

Heck, in Wind Waker Ganon just says that Ganondorf is his full name, but people still call him Ganon.

Besides, if it's Ganondorf in FSA, then you still end up with two Ganondorfs. The Ganondorf from OoT, remember? The one who became Ganon? Ganondorf/Ganon, same thing.

The fact that the Dekus chant Ganon doesn't mean that they are the same person, we don't know if they are refering to Ganon, the monster, or to Ganondorf, the man. Now, why couldn't both of them be allies, or why couldn't Ganon possess Ganondrf's body, or why couldn't Ganon be the reflection of Ganondorf and kill him? One thing is sure: this Ganondorf isn't the same as in OoT.

He says "My name is Ganondorf", but he never corrects anyone, since he's presenting himself. This suggests that he still considers himself a human, which implies that they are different persons.

Yes, we would end with two persons being called Ganondorf, I find nothing rare with that.

[MikePetersSucks]

Then you obviously haven't kept up on ANY information on KnS posted on this board, because it was not bull. It was slightly elaborated at moments and he has clarified these moments, but not bull.

Do some reading of topics before you dismiss entire games.

I have. I'm just wary to accept game information until I've played it myself. Wow. I'm not a puppet -.-

ok, the split timeline makes this difficult, but the way i see it is that TP will take place between OOT and TWW and explain the flooding of hyrule you see. and plus split timelines get confusing, there shouldnt be one when you consider that at the end of OOT link is set back to the past. and plus between the "alternate" OOT timelines wouldnt happen because link was in the temple of time the whole time.

Still doesn't work, but nice try.

Yes, but it's a pretty major coincidence that every time the hero appeared, the present princess just happened to be one called Zelda, without some explanation - i.e. the SZ story. It's not absolutely vital the SZ appears very early on, but if it can it's better than appearing later. We have no canon evidence of any first born princess of the royal family not being called Zelda, except for Tetra - and clearly, by that time the prince's decree has been forgotten. Except by the King of Red Lions - which means that SZ must come in the same timeline as TWW, and before it, or he wouldn't call Tetra Zelda.

One, the whole "Zelda popping up during danger" is the same as Link's repeated appearance. Destiny. OMG! As for King Daphnes, he's obviously clinging to the past. Perhaps he had a relative named Zelda within his lifetime? Or maybe Zelda was the name Tetra's mother gave her, but changed it with the Tetra alias.

[Zythe]

As for King Daphnes, he's obviously clinging to the past. Perhaps he had a relative named Zelda within his lifetime? Or maybe Zelda was the name Tetra's mother gave her, but changed it with the Tetra alias.

Why would that make him believe she has to be Zelda? Why must he name her after another Zelda. Fanficcing much? The SZ absolutely has to go before TWW.

[Fyxe]

The fact that the Dekus chant Ganon doesn't mean that they are the same person, we don't know if they are refering to Ganon, the monster, or to Ganondorf, the man. Now, why couldn't both of them be allies, or why couldn't Ganon possess Ganondrf's body, or why couldn't Ganon be the reflection of Ganondorf and kill him? One thing is sure: this Ganondorf isn't the same as in OoT.

Hey, look. In ALttP they SAY Ganondorf is the same as Ganon. In OoT we see Ganondorf turn into Ganon. In FSA, the Maidens recognise the name 'Ganondorf' but don't recognise the name 'Ganon' that the Dekus chant and it isn't until later that the connection becomes clearly apparent (Ganondorf breaks the Gerudo's rule, goes to the Pyramid, gets the trident. Ganon uses the trident).

He says "My name is Ganondorf", but he never corrects anyone, since he's presenting himself. This suggests that he still considers himself a human, which implies that they are different persons.

No, it just means that Ganondorf is his full name, but people call him Ganon because he's a 'Dark Lord'.

[SOAP]

Ganon's just a nickname for Ganondorf y'all. It's like how Ricky is short for Richard. Most folks just use Ganondorf when referring to the human and Ganon when refering to the demon and that's fine. It still doesn't mean they're separate people.

EDIT: Oh yeah! And I concur with Zythe. SZ must come before TWW. Mos def.

[Fyxe]

Why?

[Doopliss]

Hey, look. In ALttP they SAY Ganondorf is the same as Ganon. In OoT we see Ganondorf turn into Ganon. In FSA, the Maidens recognise the name 'Ganondorf' but don't recognise the name 'Ganon' that the Dekus chant and it isn't until later that the connection becomes clearly apparent (Ganondorf breaks the Gerudo's rule, goes to the Pyramid, gets the trident. Ganon uses the trident).

I agree with you in the part of Ganon being also called Ganondorf. But I think that they could be different persons in FSA because this Ganondorf was born, and Ganon is never said to die except for LoZ and ALttP (it's not mentioned that he dies, but the Essence of the Triforce says that he was destroyed). Anyway (in FSA) Ganondorf could be Ganon's alter-ego.

I'm sorry for all this, I don't know what's been happening to me lately.

I don't remember the exact words from the king of Hyrule when Tetra got the full Triforce of Wisdom, I just remember that he called her Zelda, and probably that he told her that she is Zelda. Then Tetra said that now she understood everything. Tetra has some pictures in her room that refer to the Triforce and she knows about the Master Sword, so maybe her knowledge about that she belongs to the royal family are ambiguous, and she didn't remember that she was Zelda, so the Triforce of Wisdom could have helped her remember.

[Hero of Slime]

If the AoL Backstory has to be first then can someone explain to me how the Triforce goes from being broken up at the end of AoL BS to being whole and in the Sacred Realm at the start of OoT. Then tell me how the Triforce becomes broken up again before LoZ.

[Doopliss]

Sleeping Zelda could have been put into slumber at the beginning of the storyline, then all the games could have taken place and the person who wrote the scroll could have obtained the Triforce after ALttP but before LoZ.

[Hero of Slime]

Yes, but how was the Triforce put back together before OoT and then put into the Sacred Realm?

[SOAP]

Why?

There goes that crazy wind again. Could someone PLEASE shut the door?

[Fyxe]

Sleeping Zelda could have been put into slumber at the beginning of the storyline, then all the games could have taken place and the person who wrote the scroll could have obtained the Triforce after ALttP but before LoZ.

Doesn't work. The whole point of the Sleeping Zelda story was that she was put to sleep because she wouldn't tell the prince how to get the remaining piece of the Triforce, the pieces being in Hyrule.

There goes that crazy wind again. Could someone PLEASE shut the door?

You know what, I've had enough. Grow the hell up, you're acting like a complete brat. Get some priorities. Nobody else needs to hear this crap. If you're not going to drop this stupid grudge then I suggest you keep it to PMs or whatever.

[Showsni]

Yes, but how was the Triforce put back together before OoT and then put into the Sacred Realm?

Like in my theory. LoZ and AoL come before OoT.

[SOAP]

You know what, I've had enough. Grow the hell up, you're acting like a complete brat. Get some priorities. Nobody else needs to hear this crap. If you're not going to drop this stupid grudge then I suggest you keep it to PMs or whatever.

Hey boys and girls! Here's a perfect example of the pot calling the kettle black!

[MikePetersSucks]

Why would that make him believe she has to be Zelda? Why must he name her after another Zelda. Fanficcing much? The SZ absolutely has to go before TWW.

But then how the hell do they remember it AFTER the flood? They were never told about it, and they were told to make a new nation with new customs. Having the tradition for like, one or two Zelda's in most people's timelines is ridiculous, and then there's the problem with the Triforce of Courage -.- oh Jesus. and You're one to talk about fanficcing, Zythe.

Doesn't work. The whole point of the Sleeping Zelda story was that she was put to sleep because she wouldn't tell the prince how to get the remaining piece of the Triforce, the pieces being in Hyrule.

I agree with Fyxe 100%.

Like in my theory. LoZ and AoL come before OoT.

How-does that even-work? It's ridiculous. Your entire timeline theory is off the wall

Hey boys and girls! Here's a perfect example of the pot calling the kettle black!

Mario, she IS right, you need to grow up. You're spamming the boards with this nonsense. Grow up, make up, and shut up.

[SOAP]

I'm just giving her the same respect she gives everyone else, including you.

Anyways, I won't spam as long she does not talk to me directly. The Fyxe I know is dead to me.

[Zythe]

You're one to talk about fanficcing, Zythe.

Please. Really. Please. You've been called on fanficcing several times.

[Goth Kirby]

wow you know what would be crazy? if there was no timeline, and the games just happened to have similarities?.....

[Fyxe]

I'm just giving her the same respect she gives everyone else, including you.

Anyways, I won't spam as long she does not talk to me directly. The Fyxe I know is dead to me.

I was not talking to you directly but you were still going on with the spam. Until then I was doing what you asked and leaving you alone. That's what you asked for. I was giving you respect.

But no, you had to keep making snide comments for no good reason, so I called you on it.

Dead to you? The Fyxe you know? You've made no real attempt to get to know me. We've talked two times on AIM, and when I pose a critique on a video game character you go nuts.

I can't believe I actually felt bad that I had upset you so much. After I saw your response to that IM topic I was upset. I didn't think you'd react like that. But whatever, apparently I'm evil just because I think this is a stupid arguement.

I give everyone respect. Maybe I'm a bit of a bitch at times but I never mean any real harm. I certainly don't go in for personal insults.

You're the one who's willing to give up on somebody just because they don't like a bloody video game character. Honestly.

I apologise to everyone else in this topic. I have a feeling that if I say nothing it'll just carry on regardless though, so best to get this over with.

[Doopliss]

Ah, that's fine Fyxe, I was mistaken on this one.

By the way, I consider you a very respectful member, you want the forum to keep a descent degree of maturity.

[MikePetersSucks]

Please. Really. Please. You've been called on fanficcing several times.

By Fyxe? No offense, but she doesn't count anymore. She says EVERYONE fanfics.

...really? A videogame character? THAT'S what this bullshit is about??! >_> GOD DAMN!!!

[Showsni]

How-does that even-work? It's ridiculous. Your entire timeline theory is off the wall

I's different to most people's theories, granted, but I can't see anywhere it doesn't work - except possible geographically, since I tend to ignore geography in favour of storyline.

The triforce's state works from game to game, the master sword's position works, etc. What's so wrong?

[Zythe]

I tend to ignore geography in favour of storyline.

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Use...

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just...

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[Showsni]

Well, not that I ignore it. More that I don't see it as important as storyline issues...

Does my timeline make any sense geographically? I don't have Hyrule coming back after the flood, which is a plus. ALttP Hyrule could lead into LoZ/AoL Hyrule, I suppose, given centuries. Which then leads into OoT Hyrule, after a very long time...

[Zythe]

Whilst technically you can image most of the transformation... the bit in the middle (TMC>FS>FSA>LoZ>AoL) sort of shows a dip in industrialisation (small communities>untainted land>LttPesque cities but less populated>barren monster country) and then to OoT which doesn't match the LoZ geography or ... wealth. OoT showed a rather medieval way of life compared to LoZ which was neanderthall.

God. That paragraph was probably really incoherent.

[Showsni]

LoZ is pretty neanderthal, yes, but then thre's AoL - this is happening at pretty much the same time as LoZ. AoL seems medieval to me - and always stikes me as further in the past than OoT. That could just be due to the different game systems they run on. But still, something like the Bombchu bowling alley would stick out like a sore thumb in AoL. OoT seems a lot more developed than AoL.

[Doopliss]

Well, that can be explained by all the wars Hyrule has passed for, the flood and the many possessors that the Triforce has had. Apparently no one had used the Triforce (at least for a long, long time) until OoT.

[Zythe]

^ According to Snowsi's timeline, unless there's an eventful thousand-year gap between AoL and OoT, he doesn't agree.

[Fyxe]

By Fyxe? No offense, but she doesn't count anymore. She says EVERYONE fanfics.

No, I just call them on it when they do. Tell me where I've got it wrong and you can start saying I 'don't count'.

Oh, and guys, have you forgot that LoZ and AoL were 8-bit games? Towns and stuff had virtually nothing in them anyway. It was a mainly a gameplay thing rather than a choice of age.

I don't think the degree of 'sophistication' in civilisation really affects things much. If Zelda followed the usual rules of development then people would be buzzing around in cars. In LA they have phones. In MM they have talking mailboxes. In ALttP they don't even have stables or farms or anything.

Think about it, they've developed sophisticated cannons (and even weird submarines) in WW, but they haven't developed handguns?

The degree of development is malleable depending on whatever works for the style of the game. It's not logical.

Likewise, the geography is also extensively malleable, because gameplay comes first.