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[Hana-Nezumi]

Because if it was connected it would be changed and would be overwirtten by the past and if it wasn't connected it would make a whole nother timeline.

[Fyxe]

IT'S JUST A DOOR. Just because you can't travel between the past and the future doesn't mean they're not connected.

You can't travel to the future, but you're still connected to your future.

[SOAP]

I think why he not understanding is because in the future, the door is still open. But like I said, it's a circle. Ganon is "sealed" in Sacred Realm. But only temporarily. He eventually breaks free. All hell breaks loose on Hyrule. Link comes out of nowhere and defeats him. He gets sent back into the past, closing the door on Ganon again.

[Hana-Nezumi]

IT'S JUST A DOOR.  Just because you can't travel between the past and the future doesn't mean they're not connected.

You can't travel to the future, but you're still connected to your future.

So then if you're still connected to your future then that would mean that what you do in the past changes the future, and it is overwritten. I was just answering your question:

Again, just because THE DOOR IS CLOSED, why does the future have to be overwritten or split into a different timeline?

[Fyxe]

It seems that nothing Link does in the past ever *changes* the future. Nothing. Not even closing the Door of Time. That just closes the road that allows him to pass from past to future and from future to past.

I've talked about this earlier. Time is fixed in OoT, you can't change the future, and you can't change the past.

[Hana-Nezumi]

What do you mean "nothing Link does in the past ever *changes* the future"!? So you mean to say that even though Link tries to stop it, everything in the future will still happen anyways? And in the end Zelda still sends Link to the past (no pun intended) again and the same thing happens and Link is in an infinite loop in time and he can never do anything about it?

[Fyxe]

The Link from the past will not grow up to be the same adult Link we play as in the future. He will be slightly different, he will grow up somewhere else (anywhere other than being stuck in the Sacred Realm, that is), he may die, he is, as Zelda put it, simply regaining his lost time.

Zelda did not send him back to change the future. Never did she do this. Why would Link have to bother defeating Ganon if he could simply go back and stop Ganon from ever attacking?

She sent him back so he could have his seven years back.

With the way time works in OoT, the events leading up to Ganon's attack on Hyrule and his sealing in the Sacred Realm will happen the same way, and Link cannot do anything to stop it.

[SOAP]

Where'sa time loop chart when you need one?

[Hana-Nezumi]

The Link from the past will not grow up to be the same adult Link we play as in the future.  He will be slightly different, he will grow up somewhere else (anywhere other than being stuck in the Sacred Realm, that is), he may die, he is, as Zelda put it, simply regaining his lost time.

Zelda did not send him back to change the future.  Never did she do this.  Why would Link have to bother defeating Ganon if he could simply go back and stop Ganon from ever attacking?

She sent him back so he could have his seven years back.

With the way time works in OoT, the events leading up to Ganon's attack on Hyrule and his sealing in the Sacred Realm will happen the same way, and Link cannot do anything to stop it.

But you just said that Link can't change the future. If Link grows up differently, isn't he changing his future?

[SOAP]

He can change things like chest and magic bean plants but Ganon will take over Hyrule and reign for seven years. That's something Link and Zelda both know but Link dealt with him in the future already. He doesn't need to go back and stop him in the past. Just live out the rest of his days. If he does try to change it while stuck in the past, his actions will only add to dark future, not change it or caused timelines to diverge. Think 12 Monkeys y'all.

[Fyxe]

But you just said that Link can't change the future. If Link grows up differently, isn't he changing his future?

NO BECAUSE IT'S A DIFFERENT LINK.

The other version of himself is still sealed in the Sacred Realm, and will awake in seven years. The other Link can do whatever he wants, and we see he leaves Hyrule (ends up in Termina for a bit), and is no longer in Hyrule by the time the grown up Link awakens from being sealed.

Excluding gameplay elements (chests, Magic Beans and stuff that is optional like that), everything Link has done in the past, the events with the Song of Storms, the events leading up to Nabooru's kidnap have already happened when Link first awakens in the future. This therefore *includes* everything young Link does after being sent back to the past in the ending.

[SOAP]

This might clear things up for you toast. I couldn't find the version with pretty pictures though...

http://www.gamehiker...at=7&p=theories

I haven't read in a while so I don't know how accurate it is but it's like Fyxe said, it a different version of Link. The one who had finished his job. The other one is the one who that Link began as and is still traveling back and firth until he completes his mission, thus become the second version of Link.

I'm too tired to go into depth...

[Hana-Nezumi]

Oooooohh! Two Links... Two ToC's... I can see how it can work now. (It's like in Sailor Moon when there were there were two Moon Crystals!) That might even be what Aonoma meant when he said TWW takes place after the future ending!

[Fyxe]

I'm not entirely sure what Aonuma meant with that line, because judging by the way time works in OoT, there is no split.

He may simply of been trying to show that since Majora's Mask was set after the young Link ending, then WW is based on the future ending.

Remember that even though there are two Links and two ToCs, one of them is sealed in the Sacred Realm for seven years, then returns to the past, so in the end it evens itself out.

[SOAP]

Oooooohh! Two Links... Two ToC's... I can see how it can work now. (It's like in Sailor Moon when there were there were two Moon Crystals!) That might even be what Aonoma meant when he said TWW takes place after the future ending!

Note to self: To get toast to agree with you, use Sailor Moon references...

[MikePetersSucks]

*scribbles that down* God, and my brother said watching Sailor Moon would never pay off XD but yea, as you all can see in my timeline theory, I believe in the loop. Basically, Toast, Link does his thing in the future, gets sent back, closes the door (sealing Ganon in for a few years while he does his thing with the Triforce) Link goes to Termina and chills out for seven years while Ganon breaks free and takes over, Link finally returns, realizing that history is repeating itself, draws the Master Sword (causing him to be possessed by his young self) and defeats Ganon exactly as he did the first time. Zelda then sends his childhood self back in the past and adult Link is back in control to live out the rest of his life, free from the loop to...do stuff. Then the young link that got send into the past would go to Termina, and the process repeats, but from an observer on the outside, it's all only happening once, and each Link only experiences each adventure once.

[Fyxe]

WTF.

MPS, that doesn't work. The grown-up Link awakens in the Sacred Realm, and is clearly meant to be the same Link as the one you've just been playing as. No 'possession' going on. Not only that, but when Zelda sends Link back, she obviously doesn't end up with the adult Link still with her.

That's just all fanfic and entirely random, not supported by anything in the game.

Is it THAT hard for people to grasp the concept of the young Link leaving Hyrule and maybe, just maybe, NOT coming back at all?

After all, in WW it talks about the hero leaving the land and not returning.

[Zythe]

No. Just no, MJ. Masamune's most logical theory is TToTT.

[MikePetersSucks]

>.> *Hugs the Reverse Butteryfly Effect* You're just jealous

[Vazor]

TRBEToOoTTT. Oh yeah!

(TRBEToOoTTT = The Reverse Butterfly Effect Theory of "Ocarina of Time" Time Travel)

[Fyxe]

Except it still doesn't make any bloody sense. >.<

[Vazor]

It makes perfect sense! But look for it explained in another thread, because it's complicated and I don't really want to explain it for the billionth time.

[Fyxe]

It's needlessly complicated and isn't backed up by anything in the game, from what I remember.

So it doesn't make sense. It's just a deus ex machina for people to get their timelines to work.

[SOAP]

Ooo! Burn. First thing when we get married, Fyxe, I'm going to forbid you speak in public. Women are meant to be seen and not heard anyways.

BTW, bite me Vazor. That way I can be a were-plumber.

[Fyxe]

Dude, I wear the trousers in this relationship, so shaddup and do the cooking.

[Showsni]

My theory seems to be the same as MPS's...
It's also technically the same as Fyxe's, but insteads of having two Links you have one.
No, it doesn't account for the way items travel - but that's just a gameplay mechanic.

[SOAP]

Pants on a woman!? Now you've gone too far Fyxe!<_<

[MikePetersSucks]

*giggles* Yea, next you'll be claiming that you're allowed to express your opinion and vote.

[Fyxe]

My theory seems to be the same as MPS's...
It's also technically the same as Fyxe's, but insteads of having two Links you have one.
No, it doesn't account for the way items travel - but that's just a gameplay mechanic.

Except it's a fairly big gameplay mechanic, because Link travels through half of the Spirit Temple, leading to Nabooru's kidnap, due to it.

Also, the idea of one Link totally buggers up the way time travel works anyway. If Link returns to the past at the end of the game, but there's no other Link stuck in the Sacred Realm, then the future events will occur very differently, which, as shown by the in-game time travel logic, is impossible.

[SOAP]

But where would the second Link come from? Did Adult Link turn into a kid?