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[Chaltab]

IGN has a round table video up that confrims that The Twilight Princess takes place several decades after OoT, and several centuries before TWW!

NO!!! CURSE YOU NINTENDO FOR MAKING THIS TOO EASY!!! We can't argue about it if you tell us! This is not any fun, darn it!

[MikePetersSucks]

NO!!! CURSE YOU NINTENDO FOR MAKING THIS TOO EASY!!! We can't argue about it if you tell us! This is not any fun, darn it!

No, wait, stupid, this is a GOOD thing

[Fyxe]

Even if they DO tell us, people won't listen. They never do, even if the creators throw it in your face (Ocarina of Time, for example).

EDIT: Can someone get a bloody transcript of what's being said in the videos already? Yeesk. Seriously people.

[Crazy Penguin]

Twighlight Princess takes place before Ocarina of Time, after The Wind Waker, diagonally from Oracle of Ages' past and simultaneously with Sonic CD's bad future. My timeline can handle it! My timeline can beat up your timeline!

Can someone get a bloody transcript of what's being said in the videos already? Yeesk. Seriously people.

Here's the important bit, word for word. Keep in mind that this is verbally translated by a Japanese/English interperator.

Q: So in this game Link then, he would be a different Link from the Link we saw in the Ocarina of Time or in The Wind Waker?

A: Yes, he's a new Link.

Q: In terms of the overall Zelda storyline where does the Twilight Princess fall in?

A: So this is, um, as far as time frame goes, chronologically speaking it'll take place a few decades after the Ocarina of Time.

Q: So would that fall inbetween Ocarina and Wind Waker then?

A: Yes.

[Fyxe]

But what about this?

This was taken from TSA's site. I hope he doesn't mind if I post it here:

"Additionally, according to the Japanese guy in the Jeux-France video, it is 100% sure the game takes place "several tens of years after Ocarina of Time in The Wind Waker timeline". Thanks to Zethar for verifying it for us.

The vital phrase would be 'Wind Waker timeline'. I'm getting two different statements here. The addition of 'timeline' is vital. It implies two timelines.

[Crazy Penguin]

That's the problem with second hand information - things get added and changed about. I typed it up word for word, there's no mention of separate timelines, unless that came froma different interview (which I doubt).

[coinilius]

That's Zethar's translation of what the Japanese guy said directly, what you typed up is the NOA translators translation. At least, I think that's the deal.

[Crazy Penguin]

Were those Zethar's exact words then? Well that's a different kettle of fishes, Zethar's very reliable.

[coinilius]

To confuse matters more, Gamespy has put up a transcript of the roundtable and has this to say;

Q: In terms of the overall storyline, where does the Twilight Princess fit in?

A: Chronologically speaking, it takes place a few decades after The Wind Waker.

Perhaps it's just a mistake on Gamespys behalf?

[Gibdo Master]

Has anyone else mentioned that having this game take place between OoT and WW conflicts with what's said in WW's prologue?

Why would the Hero of Time be such a big focus when there's another Link after him that lived before the flood and saved Hyrule?

[Zythe]

We now know its placement. Link is the Hero of Twilight (maybe) and now the discussion has moved on to what IS twilight...

[Tri-Enforcer]

Here is the exact quote (japanese source Famitsu):

青沼　今作の物語は『時のオカリナ』から数10年経った設定。『時のオカリナ』と『風のタクト』のあいだです。冒険はとある村の少年と少女がさらわれてそれを助けるというところから始まります。

http://www.famitsu.com/game/event/2005/05/...,39303,0,0.html

Basically, Aonuma states that the game is placed between OoT and WW. Several decades after OoT.

/Johan

I'd go along with the actual Japanese source. Many other sites have stated the same, and only gamespy (that I know of) states otherwise.

[Tri-Enforcer]

If the land gets flooded, it doesn't mean Link has failed. I'm sure he'll do something that will cause Ganon to be sealed underneath the depths of the flooding water. If the flood doesn't occur then Ganon would conquer Hyrule and all will surely be lost. It seems the flood needs to happen in order for there to be new hope for Hyrule.

[martinDTanderson]

If the land gets flooded, it doesn't mean Link has failed. I'm sure he'll do something that will cause Ganon to be sealed underneath the depths of the flooding water. If the flood doesn't occur then Ganon would conquer Hyrule and all will surely be lost. It seems the flood needs to happen in order for there to be new hope for Hyrule.

This game doesnt have to include any events relating to The Wind Waker. 20 odd years doesnt equal 'generations' and there is plenty of time for Ganon to rise again and attack Hyrule as in the backstory to TWW.

You lot expect too much. They would not make a game, where the ending is known...

[mohammedali]

This game doesnt have to include any events relating to The Wind Waker.  20 odd years doesnt equal 'generations' and there is plenty of time for Ganon to rise again and attack Hyrule as in the backstory to TWW.
 
You lot expect too much.  They would not make a game, where the ending is known...

Like OoT for example... Who would have thought that Ganon was going to be sealed?

Mohammmed Ali

[Tri-Enforcer]

This game doesnt have to include any events relating to The Wind Waker. 20 odd years doesnt equal 'generations' and there is plenty of time for Ganon to rise again and attack Hyrule as in the backstory to TWW.

You lot expect too much. They would not make a game, where the ending is known...

Dude, slow your roll. Where the heck are u getting 20 years from?

[Zythe]

It could be anywhere from 10 to 100 years. But remember when they said there was 100 years between OoT and TWW? Loosely, I can imagine about from 20 years to just over a century.

[Tri-Enforcer]

Also they say TP takes place "several" decades after OOT---that could mean anything short of a century.

[Fyxe]

Here is the exact quote (japanese source Famitsu):

青沼　今作の物語は『時のオカリナ』から数10年経った設定。『時のオカリナ』と『風のタクト』のあいだです。冒険はとある村の少年と少女がさらわれてそれを助けるというところから始まります。

http://www.famitsu.c...,39303,0,0.html

Basically, Aonuma states that the game is placed between OoT and WW. Several decades after OoT.

/Johan

Hold it. What was Zethar supposedly translating then? Does Aonuma say 'Wind Waker timeline' or what? If he didn't say that, what was Zethar translating? Is that even exactly what Zethar translated?

The addition of 'timeline' is vital.

[Tri-Enforcer]

Hold it. What was Zethar supposedly translating then? Does Aonuma say 'Wind Waker timeline' or what? If he didn't say that, what was Zethar translating? Is that even exactly what Zethar translated?

The addition of 'timeline' is vital.

What Johan posted and Zethar's post are quotes from two different interviews in which Aounuma was answering the same question. The part that Johan put up was from the roundtable discussion, the part from Zethar's was from Jeux-France interview--both of which occured at E3. Looking at both quotes I'm reading it as Aonuma saying TP takes place in between OOT and TWW--what's the confusion? Do not let the part about TWW timeline fuck with your heads--it's unnecessary added info.

[Fyxe]

It's not unnecessary. The implication that there's a 'Wind Waker timeline' would seemingling confirm that OoT marked a split in the timeline of some kind, which is possibly THE biggest arguement on this board.

So if by 'unnecessary' you mean 'really really important to timeline discussion', then yes, it's totally unnecessary.

[Fatgoron]

Anyone else thinking that this game could be "Imprisoning war-Part two"?

I do not know what Ganon wished for from the Triforce. However, in time evil power began to flow from the Golden Land  and greedy men were drawn there to become members of Ganon's army. Black clouds permanently darkened the sky, and many disasters beset Hyrule.

This sounds a lot like the twilight to me. Everything is darkened, and we see the portals that those creatures come through. This could possibly be the result of Ganon's evil power.
Notice also it says "In time", which construed a particular way, could infer the passage of decades between his originally seizing the triforce, and his emergence as told of in the story of the IW.

If they have chosen to pursue a split timeline then they have the perfect set-up for the IW story, since those people in the past era who never experienced the future events would percieve this as being Ganon's first excursion into Hyrule.

As the Seven Wise Men searched for a valiant person to take up the Master Sword, Ganon's evil army swarmed from the tainted Golden Land into Hyrule and attacked the castle. The Wise Men and the Knights of Hyrule combined forces to wage war on this evil horde.

One criticism of the OoT-IW connection is the lack of any visible attack on Hyrule castle in OoT, albeit one of the more minor ones.
In WW we see that there has been an attack on Hyrule castle, and the remants of Ganon's minions, whom were attacking, had been frozen in time. If this game tells of the period leading up to the great flood, then it makes sense for the ending to portray the sealing of Hyrule, and the attack on the castle. That would explain that part of the story of the Iw.

In the gathering twilight, the Triforce shone from its
resting place high above the world.

This doesn't even need explaining.

I know it's too early to say, and it sounds far fetched, and relies on several assumptions, but it sounds feasible to me.

[Chikara Nadir]

I love putting things on Babelfish and translating them...

"青沼　今作の物語は『時のオカリナ』から数10年経った設定。『時のオカリナ』と『風のタクト』のあいだで す。冒険はとある村の少年と少女がさらわれてそれを助けるというところから始まります。" translates directly into English without changing any words around for them to make more sense to us:

"Blue swamp now the story of the work ' ocarina ' empty several dozen years of time the setting which passes. ' The ocarina of the time ' and ' the takt of the wind ' it does in between. Venture the boy and the girl of a certain village being carried off, starts from the place that it helps that."

So..it does seem to say it's after OoT by 'several dozen years' but before WW...the rest is for your own enterpretation. ;p

[Fyxe]

So, you're saying that a few decades after OoT, Ganon is sealed in the Sacred Realm by Seven Sages... Again?

Don't buy that at all.

And the fact that it takes place several decades after OoT wouldn't make sense if it occured after the 'past timeline', IF there is a split. Why would Ganon wait several decades before he actually attacked, when in the future timeline he attacked within seven years (and probably not nearly that long)?

Also, you're getting your quotes from the US translation of the manual, which is inaccurate. The actual quotes are...

We do not know what Ganon wished for after gaining the Triforce's power.  Yet, Ganon's evil made it to even Hyrule as it spread.  People of greed were herded and consumed by this power, and disappeared.  Black clouds grew in number in the sky, and many sinister happenings began to occur.

The Sages first had to search for the existence of the Master Sword and a hero to use it.  However, the situation was urgent, and Ganon's malice was enclosing on the royal palace.  Using the most of their powers, the Sages and Knights threw open a heroic battle with the evil one.

The Triforce was there, casting a golden light in the midst of twilight.

Some differences there.

Also, if the sealing of Ganon in the WW backstory involves him being sealed by the gods, not by Seven Sages. The whole point was that this was a second sealing after Ganon somehow escaped the seal of the Seven Sages.

[Tri-Enforcer]

I agree, TP has nothing to do with the IW. Also, this somewhat confirms that OOT isn't the IW as well--I mean in TP and in TWW Ganon strikes again, and neither time does he have the whole Triforce when he is stopped--and that's one too many historical events involving Ganon that wasn't mentioned in the LTTP backstory--so don't tell me anything about distortion over time.

[Fatgoron]

So, you're saying that a few decades after OoT, Ganon is sealed in the Sacred Realm by Seven Sages... Again?

Don't buy that at all.

I couldn't care less wether you do or not. I'm speculating, that's all anyone can do at this point, and I'm certainly not trying to argue any serious points.

To answer the question, no. There was no mention of Seven sages sealing Ganon in the WW backstory.(none that was relevant to the flood at least)

People of greed were herded and consumed by this power

This sounds even more like the twilight princess, as apparently the twilight grows by sucking people in.(stated in another thread)

Why would Ganon wait several decades before he actually attacked

He would have been trapped in the sacred realm in the past era, since Link placed the MS back in the pedestal and closed the door of time. In the regular continuity Ganondorf was free to exit the sacred realm at any point, since the door of time was open continuously for the entire seven years [from what can be gathered from the game].

just as all hope had died, a young boy clothed in green appeared as if from nowhere. Wielding a blade that repelled evil, he sealed the dark one away and gave the land light. This boy, who travelled through time to save the land, was known as the Hero of Time. The boy's tale was passed down through generations until it became legend.

Also, if the sealing of Ganon in the WW backstory involves him being sealed by the gods, not by Seven Sages. The whole point was that this was a second sealing after Ganon somehow escaped the seal of the Seven Sages.

The WW prologue could just as easily be speaking of the closing of the door of time in the past, since it doesn't mention any sages, and the only requisite for the story there is time travel.

Also, you're getting your quotes from the US translation of the manual, which is inaccurate. The actual quotes are...

How do we know that Aonuma san isn't using the US translation? Again I'm speculating, but since the english speaking market is the largest, it seems logical to make one of the biggest points of [storyline related] contention within that market the focus of any attempt at clarifying the story.(obviously, as long as it falls short of contradicting anything in the japanese canon)

[Fyxe]

As said by the King of Red Lions...

Once, long ago, he defeated Ganon and
brought peace to the Kingdom of Hyrule...

At the time of OoT's past, when Link closed the Door of Time, Ganon had not attacked so Link could not 'bring peace' to Hyrule if it was already peaceful.

Also, nobody would remember Link 'defeating' Ganon. Besides, closing the Door of Time is hardly a 'defeat'. And he certainly didn't defeat him with the Master Sword as other quotes state he did.

And most of all, Ganon himself recognises Link as the one who defeated him. If the last time he saw him was when he entered the Sacred Realm, how would he know?

How would *anyone* know he was the Hero of Time? As far as anyone else knew, nothing happened.

Also, Wind Waker has already been confirmed as occuring after the future events of OoT, by Miyamoto and Aonuma together in an interview. If I remember correctly, they may of mentioned the fact that Ganon was sealed, too, although saying that it occurs after the future events means that's a given, anyway.

Besides, I don't think the Door of Time was a big enough seal to hold Ganon for long at all. When Zelda tells Link to close it, she only says it will close the link between the future and the past, nothing mentioned about it closing Ganon in the Sacred Realm.