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[Vazor]

Why would the Sacred Realm be outside the flow of time? That's ridiculous, as then nothing could happen in the Sacred Realm at all and it couldn't be Hyrule's mirror -.-

That I've got to agree with. The SR doesn't transend time, it's just an alternate plane.

Yea, maybe, since Ganon went into the Sacred Realm when Link first lifted the Master Sword, he like...oh my god, touched the Triforce!! >. not hard, you guys.

Then explain this: why was Zelda in the castle courtyard at the end of Ganondorf had already entered the Sacred Realm prior to Link's return to the past? Don't you remember that Zelda had already fled the castle by that point? And if the ToC split that early, then why doesn't Link have it any of the other times he returns to the child era?

So did Zelda, and she helped to make the Seal. I'm sure a Triforce peice < a Sage-buffed Triforce peice

Yeah, well that was just an idea. Besides I'm pretty sure the door was open anyway. I dunno, maybe the door is only locked from the outside or something like that...

[D~N]

Yeah actually I didn't think of that bit. Maybe he was considered a hero because [insert theory here].
 
 
Lol, yeah....I got nothin...
 
 
The ONLY possible explanation I could create for that would be that it was not only Link and Zelda and the Sages who retained their consciousness and memories of that alternate future. That theory would piss [img]http://forums.legendsalliance.com/public/ALOT.png[/img] of people off, but it's the best I can come up with without digging further.

[theory= link told everyone of his great adventure, via princess Zelda, and was made a hero /theory]

[Nevermind]

Why would the Sacred Realm be outside the flow of time? That's ridiculous, as then nothing could happen in the Sacred Realm at all and it couldn't be Hyrule's mirror -.-

I'm hoping that wasn't in reference to me, because I never said that the Sacred Realm was outside of time.

[Showsni]

Then explain this: why was Zelda in the castle courtyard at the end of Ganondorf had already entered the Sacred Realm prior to Link's return to the past? Don't you remember that Zelda had already fled the castle by that point? And if the ToC split that early, then why doesn't Link have it any of the other times he returns to the child era?

Because she returns to the castle. Since Ganon hasn't been around for a while, and they left in somewhat of a hurry without packing or anything, they go back for a short time.

How do you know Link doesn't have it any times he's a child?

[Nevermind]

I always assumed that Link was given the ToC as soon as Ganon touched the Triforce. As in Ganon touch = boom = split = Triforce thirds being sent to Zelda and Link.

[MikePetersSucks]

why was Zelda in the castle courtyard at the end of Ganondorf had already entered the Sacred Realm prior to Link's return to the past? Don't you remember that Zelda had already fled the castle by that point? And if the ToC split that early, then why doesn't Link have it any of the other times he returns to the child era?

I never said the Triforce of COURAGE split. I said the Triforce itself split to it's three peices, because Ganondorf entered the Sacred Realm and touched it. I know Zelda fled the castle, but you'd think that she'd go back after seeing Link there or to get some...Sheikah-ish things. Who knows? Or maybe she received another dream instructing her to go back to the castle.

[Vazor]

Because she returns to the castle. Since Ganon hasn't been around for a while, and they left in somewhat of a hurry without packing or anything, they go back for a short time.

Yes, that makes perfect sense. She went to all the trouble of having a dramatic escape scene and just decides to go back for her stuff. Completely legitimate.

How do you know Link doesn't have it any times he's a child?

Because we can see Link's hand when he's a child. And it's not there.

[Nevermind]

Well gee you see Zelda's hand as an adult (escaping the falling tower) and I bet if you look closely you'll see that she doesn't have it either. Plus you see Link's hand as an adult, and he doesn't have it.

[MikePetersSucks]

Yea, but Nintendo doesn't show the Crest outside of cutscenes due to lazyness

[Nevermind]

I don't remember seeing the crest INSIDE the cutscenes. Doesn't Shiek's only show up when "he" shows it to Link in the Temple?

[Showsni]

Yes, but he is wearing gloves. I think. Anyway, we're agreed that if you don't see a triforce piece on someone's hand, it's quite possibly due to laziness rather than them not having the triforce.

[MikePetersSucks]

I don't remember seeing the crest INSIDE the cutscenes. Doesn't Shiek's only show up when "he" shows it to Link in the Temple?

Sheik was trying to hide from Ganon, who could only sense her when she took her proper form, so it's possible she could supress the Crest somehow. And Link had more important things to do than shift the camera angle to look at his own hand.

Yes, but he is wearing gloves.

Not an excuse. The Crest has been known to shine through gloves and such. And there's always the SSBM trailer, but that can be taken with a grain of salt.

[Chaltab]

And there's always the SSBM trailer, but that can be taken with a grain of salt.

Off topic: The SSBM Trailer is flipping awesome.

[Showsni]

Yes, it is awesome.

MPS, why are you arguing? Aren't we all agreeing with you?

[Nevermind]

I think too much assumption and speculation is going on about that. Shiek says, when Ganondorf touched the triforce it was split, and the three pieces were distributed to the appropriate agents according to what was inside them. But I think it may have been more pre-planned as to who would get what triforce anyway.

But anyway, doesn't that make you think that as soon as Ganon touched it, whilst Link was still a child, the triforce was split, giving Link the ToC as a child, albeit a comatose one.

So then he goes back in time right? He would still have the triforce, because

1. it is still split; I really doubt that the Triforce is joining itself together again each time Link goes back in time.
2. Link's consciousness is seemingly outside of the rules of time, so he retains memories and such. Seeing as the triforce is split, he would also retain the ToC inside him.

So I think I'd be safe to say he MOST LIKELY had it as a child.

[Vazor]

If he had it all the times he went back then riddle me this: why didn't Navi ever point it out? I mean, she recognized the Master Sword, yet somehow she didn't recognize that the crest of the royal family and the symbol of an almighty power was on his hand? Maybe she was just looking the other way....[/sarcasm]

[MK.]

Because we can see Link's hand when he's a child. And it's not there.

I'm going to make a freaking video capture showing that it IS on his hand at the end of them game when I have the time... nobody believes me... HE HAS THE TOC AT THE END OF THE GAME (see end of credits, OOT, castle scene) and I'd bet $500 to anyone who says he doesn't.

[Nevermind]

Well for one, the fairies obviously aren't all knowing. And also, the tale of the Triforce splitting was a Sheikah legend that, it would appear, only the Sheikahs knew about.

And for a third note, if she was to point it out, then the big revelation about Link containing the Triforce of Courage wouldn't be very big would it. You're only meant to find out that Link has the ToC inside him when Zelda points it out to him in the ToT. If Navi said "Hey look you've got the mark of the Triforce on your hand" then we'd just be like what the hell is that for? As well as the scene in the ToT helps to reveal that Link isn't just kickass, he was actually chosen for this job. If that were pointed out, then again, it would take the impact away in the revelation scene.

[Fyxe]

Ok, lets get this straight...

THE TRIFORCE CREST ON THE CHARACTERS HANDS IS NOT VISIBLE AT ALL TIMES. Obviously. It only appears at certain moments, *usually* when Zelda, Link or Ganon get close to each other (they 'resonate', as Ganon says).

That's why it's glowing in the final scene, and that's what allows Zelda to reveal it to Link when they meet (that, and her inate magical abilities).

It's not the same crest that's in the Oracle games and AoL, that crest is different and appears to be visible pretty much all the time.

You can see the same effect happen in Wind Waker, when Ganon grabs hold of Tetra and the crest on his hand begins to glow.

[mohammedali]

Fyke is right. and I believe the ending will show this if you replay it.

Mohammed Ali

[Chaltab]

I thought that much was obvious. The problem is whether it was visible on Link's hand or not. I checked several times and don't remember it being there.

But that isnt' to say he didn't have it; in fact he had to have possesed the Triforce of Courage, because it left him and broke into eight pieces when he left for Terminia. Link had it at the end of OoT whether it was visible or not.

[mohammedali]

Not sure if this was cleared up or not but this is what he said.

The sacred realm is not sealed off BUT a void WITHIN the realm is sealed off from time.

Ganon was sent to a void in the SR or something to that effect.

Mohammed Ali

[Fyxe]

What's all this talk of a void? Where is this mentioned in the games?

I always figured that 'white space' you see of the Sacred Realm in OoT is just, like, the entryway between both the worlds, before you see anything tangeable.

[Nevermind]

I'm pretty sure the word 'void' is used in the ending sequence.

[coinilius]

'The Sages' Seals will contain
all the evil power in the void of
the Realm...'

'Ancient Creators of Hyrule!
Now, open the sealed door
and send the Evil Incarnation of
Darkness into the void of the
Evil Realm!!'

The term void is indeed used...

[Nevermind]

Good man, got my back.

But you know, if Fyxe's theory is true, then that space in which Ganon is trapped is a void between two worlds, thus it is outside of space, and therefore time. Sealing off the Sacred Realm from Hyrule would work to keep Ganon trapped, as well as stop anyone else from coming into the Sacred Realm and using whatever it has in there to their advantage.

So, Fyxe's theory works too.

[Fyxe]

But we already know that despite the fact that Link closes the Door of Time, eventually people begin to be drawn to the Sacred Realm and find ways there. Ganon may be in some kind of 'void' (I think the implication is that the Sacred Realm is mostly void, so rather than there being a place that is considered the 'void of the Sacred Realm', it's more like saying 'the Sacred Realm is a void'. Compare it to the way people say 'the void of outer space'), but I think it's a bit much to suggest that this 'void' is beyond time.

I'm pretty sure when it talks of a 'void', it's not talking of one specific area of the Sacred Realm. Remember, Ganon has already begun to mould the Sacred Realm into the Dark World; I'm pretty sure he won't be confined to some little void. Again, I think it's just that the Sacred Realm is mostly void, just like outer space (clearly not all of it, we know for sure that it at least contains the Temple of Light), and that's why we only see the 'white space' before we see anything tangeable.

My theory was never that Ganon was trapped in the entryway, rather that you *saw* him falling through the entryway at the end, and if you carried on following him eventually he would reach the more tangeable parts of the Sacred Realm. However, since they do use the word void (and I DO remember that now, I was just confused by the talk of it being beyond time), and now I remember how Ganon's spinning somewhat aimlessly, I think he's just floating around in the Sacred Realm, which, it seems, is mostly void anyway.

[Nevermind]

Look at the entire story of OoT. Worlds merging with worlds, Heroes travelling back and forth through time, magical golden triangles, talking trees...


yet you find it 'a bit much' to suggest that something is outside of time XD


Oh well, like I said, you don't have to agree with it. But it works for me, and it stops my brain from exploding due to time paradoxes, so I'm sticking with it

[Fyxe]

By a 'bit much', I mean it wasn't suggested in the game and seems unnecessarily confusing and unimportant. Why does Ganon need to be sealed outside of time itself? For one thing, it doesn't make sense because he breaks out of the Sacred Realm slowly and surely, as time passes. If he was beyond time, how would he do that?

It's a bit fanficy for my liking.

If you're suggesting it as a way for Ganondorf to be sealed in the past as well as the future, this causes some problems, messing up the timeline for Wind Waker and A Link to the Past. The future events of OoT HAVE to happen, because they are recollected in both WW and ALttP.

To be honest, I used to believe that Ganon was sealed in both the past and the future, until I realised that a split timeline just doesn't work.

Also, there are no paradoxes. It seems like there are but after looking closely I can't spot any except some possible gameplay-related ones.