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[Crazy Penguin]

Because of geography, I would have to put TMC before everything, though. There isn't really any way the mountain would logically be called Veil Falls for a few hundred years and then switch back to death mountain.

Veil Falls is to the east of the castle, leading in to Lake Hylia. In LttP and FSA Death Mountain is to the north of the castle. In TMC we don't get to travel north of the castle.

[D~N]

~It IS important. It was the major plotpoint for AOL.

~Well, then I'm quashed right then and there.

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YES you can. Don't wank out of it.

~Why not, I want to wank But common, at that point the game was just a fun game, and I doubt the creators really though deeply into that stuf.

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TMC cannot be the same link as LOZ's for hair color alone, and the fact that in TMC, they were childhood friends, where in LOZ, he's a stranger that wandered into Hyrule "To find himself."  

~I'm quashed again @.@

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Then there's Geography, and the whole thing about the Minish, and Vaati, and loads of other crap. Plus the Royal Family doesn't seem to have any parts of the Triforce in TMC.

~Ow. dying the third time hurts [img]http://forums.legendsalliance.com/public/ALOT.png[/img] more. Again, quashed.

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Then there's OOX. It seems pretty clear that it's a new Link, because Link doesn't own the Triforce, and he's chosen by it to save a new land. Let's not forget that yet again, everyone looks different. Plus, if it was the same Link as AOL's, why would Twinrova go through this complex ritual when they could just kill Link and use his blood?

~your point doesn't prove much, except that last part. Would a baddie try an 'evil plot' twice in a row? Link would be on his toes, so to say.

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and THEN there's FS-FSA. I'd put this around the LTTP era because of graphic and geographic similarities. Possibly before, because of the Knights of Hyrule, the Maidens, Ganondorf, the Trident, and all that good stuff. How could you NOT put them together? It's eerily similar to LTTP that it's not even funny. It's way beyond Character Recycling.

~remember, I still haven't played FS(A) so I can't argue with the geography stuff, but puttin it there or where I have it changes nothing, timeline-wise. And you know I like being different, as long as it works.

~ and the Light Force is not the Triforce of Wisdom. That's just stupid. The Triforce of Wisdom is part of the united Triforce, seperates, and rejoins without explaination?

~Here's an explaination: why would it have to rejoin? In LoZ, the ToW gets hidden, and is definetly not with the others. But if it had to rejoin than after vaati gets his 2/3 of the ToW or whatever, when he dies it returns to the rightful owner (zelda) she merges it with whoever has the other two. But you say he doesn't die until FSA, so i'll get to that later...

~It can be stolen by a Minish who shouldn't even be allowed to weild it because he isn't mortal?

~And link can have the ToC, even thogh he's mortal. Ommentcay akesmay onay encesay (piglatin )

Plus, the Triforce of Wisdom doesn't show properties of force feilds, wish granting, or demonic ascending, and Vaati kinda steals two thirds of it and keeps it until his death in FSA, where he dies and it does appear, and it would be needed for LOZ, AOL, and OOX. The anti-timeline split thing I'm fine with.

~But in timelines where MC is in the begining, some people make the triforce be the ToW and the OoT and WW are inbetween, both of which use the ToW, so there apparently wrong. Although, this doesn't effect the timeline, I just think it makes more sence to be the ToW, plus i like the idea.....

So then, where sholud MC and OOX go then?....

[mohammedali]

~Here's an explaination: why would it have to rejoin?  In LoZ, the ToW gets hidden, and is definetly not with the others.  But if it had to rejoin than after vaati gets his 2/3 of the ToW or whatever, when he dies it returns to the rightful owner (zelda) she merges it with whoever has the other two. But you say he doesn't die until FSA, so i'll get to that later...

No, because after Vaati dies, he still has a bit of the Light Force with him. That is how he escapes for FS. I doubt the Light Force is the ToW.

~But in timelines where MC is in the begining, some people make the triforce be the ToW and the OoT and WW are inbetween, both of which use the ToW, so there apparently wrong.  Although, this doesn't effect the timeline, I just think it makes more sence to be the ToW, plus i like the idea.....

Which is why the Light Force is not likely to be the Triforce. As CP pointed out in numerous threads, TMC has to come after OoT because of the Tingles. Chances are though, that it comes early on. Listen to the advice MPS gave as it will help your timeline a lot.

Mohammed Ali

[D~N]

I doubt it really maters, so I think I'll A) swich to 'zelda's psycic powers' theory or B) move MC, which I have to do anyway... So, where should it go, if you had to put it in an existing segment, where would you put MC?

[mohammedali]

I doubt it really maters, so I think I'll A) swich to 'zelda's psycic powers' theory or B) move MC, which I have to do anyway...  So, where should it go, if you had to put it in an existing segment, where would you put MC?

It needs to be a new Link after OoT IMO because of the Tingles if nothing else. I would also say it goes before WW. This is a new Link BTW...

Mohammed Ali

[D~N]

What if I put it right before ALttP? Does this cause a problem? It doesn't necicarily have to be a new link, for certain reasons, but it has to be first where ever it goes. Oh, and don't forget; I like as few Links as necicary, so creating a new section for MC is kinda' pointless for me.

[mohammedali]

What if I put it right before ALttP?  Does this cause a problem?  It doesn't necicarily have to be a new link, for certain reasons, but it has to be first where ever it goes.  Oh, and don't forget; I like as few Links as necicary, so creating a new section for MC is kinda' pointless for me.

aLttP, MC and AoL are the only 3 games that Link and Zelda can possibly know each other before hand. Hope that helps.

Mohammed Ali

[D~N]

So it's not wrong then? If they know each other in Lttp AND MC, then it's not wrong, right? But, this only works if the Light force is not the ToW, which I'm going to change.
Thaks, it did help a lot ^^

[Zythe]

aLttP, MC and AoL are the only 3 games that Link and Zelda can possibly know each other before hand. Hope that helps.

Mohammed Ali

Please, not in LttP.

[Vazor]

You can put MC after LTTP or LA, but not before. Link and Zelda didn't know each other. Remember, Link wasn't necessarily supposed to hear the message, it was just a generic "hero, help me!" message that Link heard because he was destined to.

Edit: Wait, I forgot, they can't be the same Link! In LTTP Link only had an uncle, and in MC he has a grandpa! What, did uncle just age 20 years...while Link stayed virtyually the same age?

Please, just accept that there can be more than a few Links. Your brain will hurt a lot less and your timeline will be much more canonical.

[MikePetersSucks]

But if it had to rejoin than after vaati gets his 2/3 of the ToW or whatever, when he dies it returns to the rightful owner (zelda)

The Triforce NEVER does that. EVER. If it's current owner dies, it just kind've respawns over their corpse to be claimed. The only time this doesn't work is in TWW when the King purposely sends the Triforce away with his wish.

Also, even if you haven't played the games, you can go find maps on the internet. Maybe we should have a sticky of all the different game maps?

Tingle is a product of Character Recycling. He's comedy relief, so he's not a crucial part of the story like Zelda, Link, and Ganondorf.

Now to dissect your timeline again ^^

OoT-MM | WW-Z'05 | MC-ALttP-LA | LoZ-AoL-OoX | FS-FSA

Let's start with TMC. For one, there's geography >.> Two, Link and Zelda don't know each other in LTTP. Then there's Link's family. In TMC, he lives with his grandfather, but in LTTP, he lives with his Uncle. I'd move TMC again, and move FS-FSA before LTTP by a century or so. It mentions the Knights of Hyrule, LTTP Link's ancestors, so it can't logically be anywhere past there. It also has Moon Pearls, the Dark World, Maidens, Ganon's Trident, and his great Sealing.

All you need to do is solve your FS series placement and you're good to go

[D~N]

It wouldn't say "Zelda sent link a message" if it was an accident, if it were, it would have said; "Zelda sent a plee, and link recieved the message" or something like that. Besides, they seem to know each other in lttp anyway, but if they don't, then I guess that it makes sence to put it after, as long as the # of links doesn't change.
EDIT: saw your edit. I think the grandfather was supposed to be an uncle, but was either a bad translation or it just didn't really mater to the timeline, so they added a 'grandfather' to take the place.

[Hero of Slime]

Tingle is a product of Character Recycling. He's comedy relief, so he's not a crucial part of the story like Zelda, Link, and Ganondorf.

Tingle is very important.

[mohammedali]

In aLttP, Link and Zelda MAY know each other if you go by the Japanese version (not the US version). In fact, Zelda's line suggest that they actually DO know each other. Having said that, MC and aLttP can't go together due to Link's relatives.

Mohammed Ali

[SOAP]

So, his grandpa dies and his uncle takes him in. Big deal. What worries me more is Hyrule's geography. But that's becoming less and less important it seems...

[mohammedali]

So, his grandpa dies and his uncle takes him in. Big deal. What worries me more is Hyrule's geography. But that's becoming less and less important it seems...

That's a good point. Seems to work as far as I can tell.... I mean, I always thought that TMC house looks very similar to his Uncles place in aLttP in terms of where it is in relation to the castle.

Mohammed Ali

[D~N]

So, is it before or after??? They both seem to work right now, unless someone can say otherwise...
EDIT:M. jr- the geography is always important, and actually matches this time. THe waterfalls are to the upper right corner in both games, but the clouds can't be counted (obviosly...)

[Chaltab]

Veil Falls is to the east of the castle, leading in to Lake Hylia. In LttP and FSA Death Mountain is to the north of the castle. In TMC we don't get to travel north of the castle.

In the AlttP era, it is a different castle locating in the middle of Hyrule. The TMC castle, I believe is the same as the Ocarina of Time castle. It is in the north of [South] Hyrule.

[Hero of Slime]

I belive that all Hyrule Castles are the same except the one in WW which is a new castle on the same spot.

[D~N]

^ same here. Well sorta; the castle of oot and ww is the same. After the finding of a new hyrule or whatever, there is a new castle made, unless the old one is just drained, then it's the same one. Is that what you ment, or was I totaly off. No one answered; Is it before or after???

[Hero of Slime]

Ganon's Castle was destroyed in OOT. Hyrule castle in WW was built on the same spot as Ganon's Castle.

[D~N]

Not how I figure it. The future OoT in my perspection did not happen, other than the sealing of Ganon. When he went back in time, the future did not effect the past, makes sence right? So the castle still stands strong. But thats stil doesn't really matter...If you wan't it destroyed, fine I'll sway.....

[Hero of Slime]

How was Ganon sealed if future never happened?

[D~N]

Lets not get into that right now. Actually, lets. Link goes into future. Beats temples. Goes to castle. Fights ganon. Beats Ganon. Seals Ganon with sages. Link goes back to past. Simple so far, yes? Now, this is the complex part. Since ganon was sealed in another dimension, his body can't physically be in two dimmension at once, so there you go. Actually, that wasn't VERY complex. Besides the point, anyway....

[MikePetersSucks]

It wouldn't say "Zelda sent link a message" if it was an accident, if it were, it would have said; "Zelda sent a plee, and link recieved the message" or something like that.

Well, Link's Uncle received it too. Maybe the telepathic message was sent to all of the Knights' descendants?

Tingle is very important.

XD you're kidding, right?

The future OoT in my perspection did not happen, other than the sealing of Ganon.

That's stupid and impossible. It's much easier to believe that the OOT future happens.

[Hero of Slime]

Tingle is very important.

XD you're kidding, right?

No, Tingle is an important Legend of Zelda character.

[Vazor]

No, Tingle is an important Legend of Zelda character.

Yes, he's right up there with Annoying Villager #3.

[Hero of Slime]

Tingle has been in every non-remake game since he entered in MM.

[Crazy Penguin]

Except Oracle of Seasons if you want to nit-pick. =P

Tingle being tied to a cross-game plot element in The Wind Waker via The Legend of the Fairy elevates him in levels of importance in my opinion.

[D~N]

Tingle is the commic relief guy. He is not -very- important to the timeline. He is, however, important in the games; he decifers maps, makes maps, and fuses kinstones. But, how important can a 35 year old "fairy" that wears his underwear on the outside be? Like vazor said, he's right up there with villager #3.