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[Octorok]

OoX must follow AoL.

[D~N]

*slams head into key board* ghubjjvuioe AAARG! this is almost imposible. this is my 12th new theory. 12!!! thats a lot of failure . Oh, thats a mistake, I always thought that OoX should follow AoL as well.

OoT-MM | WW-MC-Z'05 | ALttP-LA | LoZ-AoL-OoX | FS-FSA

[mohammedali]

OoX must follow AoL.

It can follow WW for all we know. It can also be a new Link altogether I believe.

Mohammed Ali

[Showsni]

OoT-MM | WW-MC-Z'05 | ALttP-LA | LoZ-AoL-OoX | FS-FSA

Assuming you place the Imprisoning war after MC and before ALttP, and the AoL backstory after LA and before LoZ, then my only remaining problems aren't that serious any more. I think the AoL backstory ought to come as soon as possible so that it explains why Zelda is always called Zelda, and I think that you shouldn't place any games involving Hyrule after TWW, and it seems as though OoX is a seperate Link as he doesn't know Impa or Zelda, but these are really more open to interpretation. I don't think your theory has any major problems any more, except possibly leaving OoX where it is but saying it's a new Link.

[mohammedali]

Assuming you place the Imprisoning war after MC and before ALttP, and the AoL backstory after LA and before LoZ, then my only remaining problems aren't that serious any more. I think the AoL backstory ought to come as soon as possible so that it explains why Zelda is always called Zelda, and I think that you shouldn't place any games involving Hyrule after TWW, and it seems as though OoX is a seperate Link as he doesn't know Impa or Zelda, but these are really more open to interpretation. I don't think your theory has any major problems any more, except possibly leaving OoX where it is but saying it's a new Link.

Good point. OoX Link has to be a new Link because he doesn't know Zelda, so you either put him first, or as a new Link altogether.

Mohammed Ali

[Octorok]

It can follow WW for all we know. It can also be a new Link altogether I believe.

It follows AoL because in AoL Link leaves the Triforce in Hyrule Castle, and in OoX he finds the Triforce in Hyrule Castle.

[Crazy Penguin]

It follows AoL because in AoL Link leaves the Triforce in Hyrule Castle, and in OoX he finds the Triforce in Hyrule Castle.

But remember that Link also retrieves the complete Triforce at the end of LttP, and the King had the complete Triforce in AoL's backstory.

[D~N]

So he can give the king the whole triforce, or something to that effect. And it's not like he doesn't know them both, I am comeing to believe that Nintendo does things likeintroduce a character like that so that the new players know who they are. ex: In super mario 64 ( I know, bad example) the opening starts with a leter. Peach invites mario to the castle for cake. She signs the leter as 'princes toadstool' but the new gamers may not know who that is, so instead they say: princes toadstool; peach. So a character introducing themself to link (as in Zelda's case) It could be Nintendos way of saying that this is Zelda, without saying it. ~~Oh and my imprisoning war is Z'05 for now, thats why it's in there, to hold the spot; but if Z'05 isn't the imprisoning war, then it will be it's own segment.

[Zythe]

*slams head into key board* ghubjjvuioe AAARG! this is almost imposible. this is my 12th new theory. 12!!! thats a lot of failure . Oh, thats a mistake, I always thought that OoX should follow AoL as well.

OoT-MM | WW-MC-Z'05 | ALttP-LA | LoZ-AoL-OoX | FS-FSA

TMC cannot follow TWW. It starts in a long established prosperous Hyrule, monster-free, like the one described between the Creation and the Fierce Wars before OoT.

[mohammedali]

It follows AoL because in AoL Link leaves the Triforce in Hyrule Castle, and in OoX he finds the Triforce in Hyrule Castle.

There is no proof that he actually leaves it in Hyrule after AoL but it is most likely to be true. Just like there is no proof he leaves it in Hyrule after aLttP, though it is ALSO most likely to be true. Finally, as we don't know at the moment about how Hyrule resurfaces (assuming it does), it can be argued that it may be after WW also. i.e. it could be any one of these 3.
Having said that, aLttP comes before the NES games (see back of aLttP box and perhaps Jap Instruction book), so if you believe that the MS DOES rest forever, the OoX cannot follow AoL or aLttP leaving only WW (unless that is disproven as well by something like Z05).

TMC cannot follow TWW. It starts in a long established prosperous Hyrule, monster-free, like the one described between the Creation and the Fierce Wars before OoT.

I agree. TMC cannot follow WW as a direct sequal (as in the same Link). I mean forget the 'peace' thing, think about this. Where did Link's grandfather come from all of a sudden? How did he have a long history with the King if TMC is straight after the water drained? I think it MAY be possible to have TMC as a sequal to WW with a new Link, but definatly not as the same Link.

Mohammed Ali

[Zythe]

There is no proof that he actually leaves it in Hyrule after AoL but it is most likely to be true. Just like there is no proof he leaves it in Hyrule after aLttP, though it is ALSO most likely to be true. Finally, as we don't know at the moment about how Hyrule resurfaces (assuming it does), it can be argued that it may be after WW also. i.e. it could be any one of these 3.
Having said that, aLttP comes before the NES games (see back of aLttP box and perhaps Jap Instruction book), so if you believe that the MS DOES rest forever, the OoX cannot follow AoL or aLttP leaving only WW (unless that is disproven as well by something like Z05).


I agree. TMC cannot follow WW as a direct sequal (as in the same Link). I mean forget the 'peace' thing, think about this. Where did Link's grandfather come from all of a sudden? How did he have a long history with the King if TMC is straight after the water drained? I think it MAY be possible to have TMC as a sequal to WW with a new Link, but definatly not as the same Link.

Mohammed Ali

But TMC takes place in a long established Hyrule. Unless you're suggesting the Hero of Man is TWW Link (or just after), Smith is his descendant and the game takes place on new Hyrule and everyone from the GSI has settled down.

Also, new guys, eat this: there's no way in Hell that Old Hyrule is rising. TWW was about letting go of the past forever and ever, and knowing that my wanting the same thing as the enemy, then you're no worse. That's what raised the whole debate about Ganon's moral ambiguity a while back.

[D~N]

1-The master sword was intended to sleep forever, but did not. Simple as that.
2-This is my final option; the MC should be moved to before or after LoZ, which one? (or none, if you think it is ~that~ wrong, but I don't see a problem with either one...)
3-Anyone else wan't to kill the stupid grandfather? (j/k)

[mohammedali]

But TMC takes place in a long established Hyrule. Unless you're suggesting the Hero of Man is TWW Link (or just after), Smith is his descendant and the game takes place on new Hyrule and everyone from the GSI has settled down.

It's not my personal theory as I believe that TMC comes after OoT. However, I can't think of any reason that it can't come centuries after WW.

Also, new guys, eat this: there's no way in Hell that Old Hyrule is rising. TWW was about letting go of the past forever and ever, and knowing that my wanting the same thing as the enemy, then you're no worse. That's what raised the whole debate about Ganon's moral ambiguity a while back.

There is every possibility that the old Hyrule is coming back. In fact, it seems that your timeline NEEDS for this to happen. Tell me, if Old Hyrule doesn't come back, how does aLttP have a land called Hyrule? Lost Woods? Lake Hylia? a Death Mountain (which was called Dragon Roost in WW)? and are there 2 specture rocks all of a sudden, both named exactly the same? How do all these things resurface? It would have to be some *extreme* coincidence.

As for the ending, the point was that Link and Zelda should be good enough to be able to let it go. The idea of it resurfacing is still possible. Think of it like this. Someone steals £1m. You then manage to get that back. However, if you were to spend it, you would be just as bad as the person who stole it in the first place. Therefore you give it back. Now... If the person you gave it back to you decided you should keep it, would it defeat the point on morality? No. The reason is that it was the action of giving it up that counted, and if it comes back for another reason, then it doesn't subtract from the point of the story. Therefore, in short, it is very possible that Hyrule will be back all it's glory, and if timeline ideas are anything to go by, the chance is quite high...

1-The master sword was intended to sleep forever, but did not. Simple as that.
2-This is my final option; the MC should be moved to before or after LoZ, which one? (or none, if you think it is ~that~ wrong, but I don't see a problem with either one...)
3-Anyone else wan't to kill the stupid grandfather? (j/k)

So you choose to disregard the canon in the game? fair enough, but I wouldn't classify that as a solid timeline then. As for TMC, best place to put it IMHO, is after OoT and before WW. This idea is supported by the actualy characters you meet in the game (i.e. a mix between those in OoT and those in WW, suggesting it is in the middle).

Mohammed Ali

[Crazy Penguin]

Let's not turn this into another post-WW flood/New Hyrule debate, we have absolutely zero information regarding the matter. Just wait for the new game.

As for TMC, best place to put it IMHO, is after OoT and before WW. This idea is supported by the actualy characters you meet in the game (i.e. a mix between those in OoT and those in WW, suggesting it is in the middle).

In an interview one of the Capcom guys said that they just picked characters they thought would suit the game, so I wouldn't look too much into that. Of course some characters do give us clues - the presence of the "Tingle brotherhood" for example shows us that it can't logically take place before during or before the era of Majora's Mask.

As far as TMC and the FS games go, isn't it for the best to not have any games inbetween them? The Four Sword legend is pretty well known and kept by the royal family in the Four Swords games, it works better to not have floods and Ganon attacks and other such things inbetween TMC and FS.

[Chaltab]

I don't think you can get everyone to approve so go with what you think is correct. Also, games can occur between OoT and WW. In my timeline, TMC comes between them and I can't think of any reason why that wouldn't work.

True, but no game with Ganon[dorf] or the Triforce can go inbetween them, because Ganondorf in TWW still has the Triforce of Power from the end of Ocarina.

Ganondorf: "...As long as the Triforce of Power is in my grasp!"

Also, the Hero of Time is the only hero Ganondorf remembers in The Wind Waker, so again, no Ganon games can be between OoT and TWW. But the Minish Cap works since there is no ToP and no Ganon.

[Crazy Penguin]

Also, the Hero of Time is the only hero Ganondorf remembers in The Wind Waker, so again, no Ganon games can be between OoT and TWW. But the Minish Cap works since there is no ToP and no Ganon.

In FS/FSA the royal family know quite a bit of the Four Sword and its legend and keep routine checks on it. It bollocks things up a bit for there to be a huge flood inbetween that results in a Zelda having virtually no knowledge of previous royal traditions.

[D~N]

So you choose to disregard the canon in the game? fair enough, but I wouldn't classify that as a solid timeline then. As for TMC, best place to put it IMHO, is after OoT and before WW. This idea is supported by the actualy characters you meet in the game (i.e. a mix between those in OoT and those in WW, suggesting it is in the middle).
Mohammed Ali

The canon? Oh you mean the MS sleep forever thing? A lot of people just say that it was intended to but didn't, so i'm not the only one. Also note that in your own timeline there are games after it.

Alright, lets see if this works- Oot-MM|WW-Z'05(=IW)|ALttP-LA|MC-LoZ-AoL-OoX|FS-FSA
I don't see anywhere this doesn't work, do you?

[Octorok]

Also note that in your own timeline there are games after it.

In mohammedali's timeline, none of the games after LttP feature the Master Sword though.

[mohammedali]

The canon? Oh you mean the MS sleep forever thing? A lot of people just say that it was intended to but didn't, so i'm not the only one.

"Everyone else is doing it, why don't I".
It's entirely your choice, but you would be ignoring an explicit 'fact' so to say. This isn't an indirect hint, like Tingle being in a game, it is a statement made in an ending. Still, your call.

Also note that in your own timeline there are games after it.

huh? Which games?

Alright, lets see if this works- Oot-MM|WW-Z'05(=IW)|ALttP-LA|MC-LoZ-AoL-OoX|FS-FSA
I don't see anywhere this doesn't work, do you?

Aside from the MS thing, the rest of the theory seems possible. Not too sure about TMC, I have a feeling there is a problem there. Anyway, glad you've sorted out your timeline to a satisfactory level. Congrats.

Mohammed Ali

[D~N]

Oh, didn't look to far into it, just saw games after it . Thanks. Does mine though? I remember that there is the ~white~ sword in LoZ, and he is killed with the light arrows instead. Is the MS in OoX. OoX is so vague for me *goes to play it again*

[mohammedali]

Oh, didn't look to far into it, just saw games after it . Thanks. Does mine though? I remember that there is the ~white~ sword in LoZ, and he is killed with the light arrows instead. Is the MS in OoX. OoX is so vague for me *goes to play it again*

Yeah, it's a bonus item in OoX games. That's why many people put it before aLttP.

Mohammed Ali

[D~N]

Bonus, as in the game can be won without it. Yes, this new timeline is close to flawless. HUZZAH!!

[Octorok]

Except that you put the IW after TWW. And if the Light Force were the ToW, then why is it with the ToC and ToP in LttP, and then alone in TMC? What split them up? And OoX Link is not the same as AoL Link, so there have to be at least six Links in your timeline instead of five.

[D~N]

-Link gets the whole triforce at the end of LttP, correct? Than he can either
A, split it and keep his part and give ToW & ToP to the King.
B,use it for whatever, then it splits after use and the pieces are re-gathered in the next era.
or C, it leaves him and goes to the respectful people in the next era. Same result as B
All a tuch of fanfiction, but thats what make everyone's timelines different.

-And lemme gues, OoX Link can't be AoL link because he doesn't know impa and Zelda, or the triforce meet him for the first time, right? Well in a video game, they need to introduce the characters for the newer players, and it never said that that was the first time he met the triforce, it just reached out to him and said 'young hero, you have been chosen' or something like that...I think Unless the manual says otherwise, then I screwed again......

[Zythe]

-Link gets the whole triforce at the end of LttP, correct? Than he can either
A, split it and keep his part and give ToW & ToP to the King.
B,use it for whatever, then it splits after use and the pieces are re-gathered in the next era.
or C, it leaves him and goes to the respectful people in the next era. Same result as B
All a tuch of fanfiction, but thats what make everyone's timelines different.

It's "touch".

Anyway, AST and LA together solve that problem completely.

[D~N]

It's "touch".

Type-o....
anyway, you say the problem is solved via AST? ok then, forget my whole little fanfiction-triforce thing.

EDIT: forgot to answer you :

Except that you put the IW after TWW.

Why can't it be after? Are you refering to the WW's BS where ganon attacked the second time, and no hero came? Because I don't think that is the IW, if it were, everyone died, because "none remain who know" (B) it was ging to be destroyed, so the king wished via triforce for the ocean to come down on all but hyrule castle, hence the barrier, but either way, that's the explanation of how it flooded. I sthere any in-game proof that the IW is before the WW, if there is, I don't know it, and I played the game 4 times....

[Chaltab]

In FS/FSA the royal family know quite a bit of the Four Sword and its legend and keep routine checks on it. It bollocks things up a bit for there to be a huge flood inbetween that results in a Zelda having virtually no knowledge of previous royal traditions.

Because of geography, I would have to put TMC before everything, though. There isn't really any way the mountain would logically be called Veil Falls for a few hundred years and then switch back to death mountain. And if Ganon hadn't been called an ancient evil in FSA, I would have left it in the distant past as in my orginal timeline.

Like it or not, we have to make the assumption that someone remembered the Four Sword after the flood. Remember that the Four Sword was renshrined after the Nameless Hero defeated Vaati in his original maiden-kidnapping spree, and nobody knows where Nameless Hero got it. (This is the backstory to FSGBA) It is said the hero himself came from no where. Either way, I am fairly confident about everything in my timeline except for Oracle.

Dark Nut's Timeline:
OoT-MM | WW-Z'05 | ALttP-LA | MC-LoZ-AoL-OoX | FS-FSA

Mostly, this works, but from the new EGM interview, it doesn't look like TWW and Z'05 can possibly have the same Link. And you should probably also separate MC and OoX from LoZ and AoL. Granted AoL and especially LoZ don't have the most intricate in-game backstories, but you have to remember several things.

-In TMC, the princess aide is a man, not Impa.

-In the start OoX, Impa may have met Link somehow, but Zelda has definitely not yet met him.

-Impa questions whether the Crest on Link's hand is real. If he'd already participated in the events of AoL, there would be no doubt.

-The Geography in The Minish Cap is vastly different from the Hyrulean geography of LoZ. Woods where swamp and ruins were, the location of the castle, which is abandoned in LoZ

Otherwise, this Timeline looks pretty solid.

[D~N]

-Aid? I don't remember the aid, unless that's the guy with the glasses...he's funy lookin'

-they need to introduce the characters for the newer players, I've said that before, and I think it explains things prety well.

-The whole doubting the crest thing, I have no explanation for that....except perhaps it's just not important

-Can't realy count geography in a game with 8 pixels per character

[Zythe]

The aid in TMC is probably the same sort of guy as "The Loyal Sage" but with better graphics.

[MikePetersSucks]

they need to introduce the characters for the newer players, I've said that before, and I think it explains things prety well.

That's what the manual is for >.>

The whole doubting the crest thing, I have no explanation for that....except perhaps it's just not important

It IS important. It was the major plotpoint for AOL.

Can't realy count geography in a game with 8 pixels per character

YES you can. Don't wank out of it.

Now to dissect your theory again

OoT-MM | WW-Z'05 | ALttP-LA | MC-LoZ-AoL-OoX | FS-FSA

Ok, like everyone said, the worst part is the end. The first three eras are solid. TMC cannot be the same link as LOZ's for hair color alone, and the fact that in TMC, they were childhood friends, where in LOZ, he's a stranger that wandered into Hyrule "To find himself." Then there's Geography, and the whole thing about the Minish, and Vaati, and loads of other crap. Plus the Royal Family doesn't seem to have any parts of the Triforce in TMC. Then there's OOX. It seems pretty clear that it's a new Link, because Link doesn't own the Triforce, and he's chosen by it to save a new land. Let's not forget that yet again, everyone looks different. Plus, if it was the same Link as AOL's, why would Twinrova go through this complex ritual when they could just kill Link and use his blood?

and THEN there's FS-FSA. I'd put this around the LTTP era because of graphic and geographic similarities. Possibly before, because of the Knights of Hyrule, the Maidens, Ganondorf, the Trident, and all that good stuff. How could you NOT put them together? It's eerily similar to LTTP that it's not even funny. It's way beyond Character Recycling. The whole thing about Z05 I won't comment on, and the Light Force is not the Triforce of Wisdom. That's just stupid. The Triforce of Wisdom is part of the united Triforce, seperates, and rejoins without explaination? It can be stolen by a Minish who shouldn't even be allowed to weild it because he isn't mortal? Plus, the Triforce of Wisdom doesn't show properties of force feilds, wish granting, or demonic ascending, and Vaati kinda steals two thirds of it and keeps it until his death in FSA, where he dies and it does appear, and it would be needed for LOZ, AOL, and OOX. The anti-timeline split thing I'm fine with.