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Posted 15 April 2005 - 08:23 PM

I'm not defending Bush, or even like what he is doing. I like the war in Iraq, because it has cut down on the war on terror. But, I don't like what he is doing in general. But, God, yeah, I'll defend him, because he has helped me. Not only that, but I love him and I hope he loves me. Are you criticizing me? Or are you criticizing God? Whichever one is a bad choice.

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Posted 16 April 2005 - 12:00 PM

It seems like we capture only terroristic people, like people who make bomb threats or people who people who have bombed structures.


Wait a minute... didn't the US also bomb structures? And didn't you encourage that in your first post?

I think we should continue fighting in Iraq and maybe bomb the cities a little bit more


There ya' go. Looks like your encouraging terrorism. So... you don't want the Iraqi resistance to blow up buildings, but you want the US to do it for them?

Are you criticizing me? Or are you criticizing God? Whichever one is a bad choice.


You're a Christian? Whatever happened to "though shalt not kill"? War involves killing, yet you encourage it. Also, what about "Love your neighbour as yourself" (Mathew 22:37-40)? Iraq is your neighbour, yet you want to blow the hell out of it. That means that you really must hate yourself.

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Posted 16 April 2005 - 04:11 PM

Whatever happened to "though shalt not kill"?

The bible also says that it is okay to kill in times of war. God even helped David kill Goliath during the war of Israel and Philistia.

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Posted 16 April 2005 - 06:09 PM

Yes, but one could argue that that is Judaism, and Jesus did away with most of the Old Testament Laws and Traditions (AKA being so stiff backed on the Sabbath) and besides, The New Testament stresses the LOVING God over the Old Testament, which was all about the Man "Oh what have I done" God. Who are the same God, of course, but that would be one of the points of Sending Jesus.

By the way, just because I point out that you contradicted yourself doesn't mean I'm criticising God or you.... well, maybe you, but not God. And what if I am criticising you?What are you going to do about it? Careful about the way you throw yourself into the same light as God. I can fear criticising him... but why should I fear doing it to you? You aren't God, just because you're conservative.

For being so Christian in your arguement, you don't want to come off as blasphemous, do you?


I didn't think so.

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Posted 17 April 2005 - 12:18 PM

So, about BK's arguement, you are right, I did originally encourage bombing in my first post, but I changed my mind. Now, if I encourage terrorism, then why do I want them gone? Why is it that I hate them? Try to answer that. Thou shall not kill is in the ten commandments, but it also states in the bible that it is okay to kill during times of war. The only killing I encourage is to kill terrorists. I'm telling you guys, if we don't stop this threat, they will take over our country. But, maybe that's what you guys want huh? Now, yes I am a christian, but you have to understand that THIS IS WAR! There's going to be innocent lives taken away. I know it's painful to see, but it's true. I'm sorry it's like this, but that's the way it is. Heck, if we kill all the terrorists, then there will be no trouble. But, we will also be killing innocent lives that haven't done anything wrong?

Now, to reflectionist's argument, I am also scared to critcize God, because he can take my life in a second. I have no problem if you criticize me, because I know it's a sin and you and God will have to work that out sooner or later anyways. I never said I was God or even close to him. I make mistakes, we all do.

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Posted 17 April 2005 - 12:34 PM

Heck, if we kill all the terrorists, then there will be no trouble.

How is this even possible? How would you even define terrorist?

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Posted 17 April 2005 - 02:21 PM

if we don't stop this threat, they will take over our country

The terrorists will never have enough power to take over this country.

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Posted 17 April 2005 - 04:16 PM

I'm telling you guys, if we don't stop this threat, they will take over our country.

Of course the fact they don't intend to take over anything has no impact on your argument.

Heck, if we kill all the terrorists, then there will be no trouble.

We have already established it is not possible to destroy terrorism.

I have no problem if you criticize me, because I know it's a sin and you and God will have to work that out sooner or later anyways.

I'd like a link to something or a quote from scripture that says God has ordained it a sin to critisize one Muscle E Mac.

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Posted 17 April 2005 - 06:37 PM

I like a link to something or a quote from scripture that says God has ordained it a sin to critisize one Muscle E Mac.

Maybe he published his own bible?

The only killing I encourage is to kill terrorists.


The US is the terrorist here, not the Iraqi resistance, who are only trying to win their country back from unwanted invaders. Anyway, God doesn't promote killing under any circumstance. Jesus never used his powers to smite those who opposed him and later crucified him. In fact, he asked God to forgive them for their transgressions against him.

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Posted 17 April 2005 - 07:41 PM

The US is the terrorist here

Whoa there! Let's not get carried away with our Canadian pride here!

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Posted 17 April 2005 - 07:48 PM

Bush did say that any state that supports terrorist is no better. We supported the Contras in the 80's , and we have always supported Isreal.

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Posted 18 April 2005 - 01:00 PM

Just because we supported Israel doesn't mean that we are terrorists. Your link Son of jor el, is the bible. Go and study the bible. Why would I publish my own bible BK? That doesn't make any sense. There is only one bible, THE BIBLE. okay, so you are saying that we are the terrorists here? Wait a second here. Just because USA is one of the best countries in the world, doesn't mean that we use terroristic actions. We do use military force, but we are not terrorists. The terrorists are those people who bombed the world trade center, that blew up the pentagon. We are retaliating. God doesn't promote killing, but if you read the bible, it says that if you kill someone when you are in a war, it isn't killing. If you don't believe me, read it. Writing tells no lies. Is Furious Octorok the only one that believe my reasoning here? Oh, did Bush say that? Maybe he did, and if he did, it's true. Now don't get me started with Bush.

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Posted 18 April 2005 - 02:13 PM

God doesn't promote killing, but if you read the bible, it says that if you kill someone when you are in a war, it isn't killing.

So the 9/11 attacks weren't killing.

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Posted 18 April 2005 - 02:29 PM

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Posted 18 April 2005 - 02:37 PM

Why would I publish my own bible BK? That doesn't make any sense. There is only one bible, THE BIBLE.


I was refering to Son of Jor-El's post when you claimed that God would punish us for criticizing you.

I'd like a link to something or a quote from scripture that says God has ordained it a sin to critisize one Muscle E Mac.


The terrorists are those people who bombed the world trade center, that blew up the pentagon. We are retaliating.


WTF? Since when was Iraq involved in 9/11? Most of the attackers were Saudis, yet the US supports Saudi Arabia. Looks like the US is supporting terrorism.

Whoa there! Let's not get carried away with our Canadian pride here!


The US is the terrorist here. The Gage dictioniary defines terrorism as creating terror; employing fear for political purposes. More aptly, terrorism is attacking and terrifying civilian populations in order to force the civilians' governments to comply with demands.

See? The US attacked, terrified, and murdered innocent Iraqis. Bush threatened to bomb Iraq so it would comply with their demands, even though compliance was impossible since there were no weapons of mass destruction.

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Posted 18 April 2005 - 03:00 PM

The US does not send soldies to just run through Iraq randomly shooting civilians.

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Posted 18 April 2005 - 03:06 PM

Neither did the 9/11 attackers run through the streets randomly shooting civilians. They just blew up a building full of them just as the US did many times in Iraq.

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Posted 18 April 2005 - 03:40 PM

Just because we supported Israel doesn't mean that we are terrorists. Your link Son of jor el, is the bible. Go and study the bible. Why would I publish my own bible BK? That doesn't make any sense. There is only one bible, THE BIBLE. okay, so you are saying that we are the terrorists here? Wait a second here. Just because USA is one of the best countries in the world, doesn't mean that we use terroristic actions. We do use military force, but we are not terrorists. The terrorists are those people who bombed the world trade center, that blew up the pentagon. We are retaliating. God doesn't promote killing, but if you read the bible, it says that if you kill someone when you are in a war, it isn't killing. If you don't believe me, read it. Writing tells no lies. Is Furious Octorok the only one that believe my reasoning here? Oh, did Bush say that? Maybe he did, and if he did, it's true. Now don't get me started with Bush.

Israel has used and still uses terrorist tacticts to murder innocent Palistinians. We sit back and call it self defense. Bush has said any state the supports terrorists, is no better than terrorists.

If the Bible says it a sin to critisize you then quote it. Where does the Bible say that it is a sin to critisize one Muscle E Mac?

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Posted 18 April 2005 - 05:07 PM

Neither did the 9/11 attackers run through the streets randomly shooting civilians. They just blew up a building full of them just as the US did many times in Iraq.

Name at least 5 examples of this

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Posted 18 April 2005 - 05:53 PM

Name at least 5 examples of this

Fallujah alone has hundreds of examples.

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Posted 18 April 2005 - 06:09 PM

Tokyo, Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Dresden...

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Posted 18 April 2005 - 06:10 PM

Tokyo, Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Osaka...

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Posted 18 April 2005 - 06:18 PM

Not in Japan, in Iraq.

Fallujah alone has hundreds of examples.

Please specify

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Posted 18 April 2005 - 07:33 PM

Not in Japan, in Iraq.

Please specify

We carpet bombed that mutha last year. Knocked down a whole lotta buildings.

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Posted 18 April 2005 - 08:38 PM

Not in Japan, in Iraq.

Why, specifically, does terrorism against Japanese people not count as terrorism?

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Posted 18 April 2005 - 08:53 PM

Because that was during WWII, and thus is not the subject being discussed.

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Posted 18 April 2005 - 09:00 PM

Terrorism is terrorism, you can write off any act of terrorism this way.
"Israel Isn't being discussed"
"The Contras isn't being discussed"
Isn't by virtue of me saying it, it's being discussed? What kind of defense is that? You asked for an example of terrorism, I presented it.

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Posted 18 April 2005 - 09:18 PM

Yes, but I want examples of terrorism in Iraq, not terrorism in Japan. I'm not trying to write off any terrorism perpetrated by the US, but I was talking about the War in Iraq not WWII.

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We carpet bombed that mutha last year. Knocked down a whole lotta buildings.

Point taken.

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Posted 18 April 2005 - 10:09 PM

Fair enough, all I'm trying to demonstrate is that despite anything in Iraq, America is still a terrorist nation.

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Posted 19 April 2005 - 06:57 PM

*Waits for Muscle E Mac to come and contradict you*

You know, since a particular someone encouraged killing terrorists, I guess the US should go and invade itself now.




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