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[Oberon Storm]

I never said I hate you. And no, you're not right.

You have no evidence that any WMD's ever left Iraq into Syria. Therefore there is no reason to go into Syria. We knew Iraq probably did not have WMD's before we invaded anyway. WMD's were the reason given for invasion. So was a supposed connection between Iraq and al Queda. Peace and Democracy wasn't really brought into the picture until it became clear we were lied to. We should never have left Afgahnistan for Iraq in the first place. And that's not just because there was no reason to go into Iraq. It is because we left the job unfinished in Afgahnistan. Leaving Iraq right now shouldn't be a problem. Note, I havn't proposed we pull out of Iraq. Since we got ourselves into this mess, we need to stay until we have it cleaned it up.

As for the torture thing. Unless you have been living under rock, which I am beginning to think might be possible, you might have heard of a certain prison over in Iraq where American soldiers subjected Iraqi prisoners to certain abuse. But just in case you HAVE been living under a rock, here

http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/08/25/abughraib.report/

Honestly I think this war on terrorism is a huge waste of money, supplies, and time. There will ALWAYS be terrorists. This war cannot be won.

[Korhend]

Besides which, if you're going to fight a war on terror, you might want to you know, fight terrorists. Probably as much as possible. Instead we've focused effort on one small region of terrorism. I've yet to see any major effort again Serreno Luminoso.

[Oberon Storm]

I said we need to stay in Iraq.

The Revolution certanly could have been won. AT the end one of the sides would have come out on top. In a war on terrorism neither side will win. There will always be terrorists. That will not change. There will always be someone pissed off at the way things are that will go to extreme lengths to get their points heard.

[Wanchimaera]

Isn't the American military already overstretched enough as it is?

History doesn't repeat itself, but it rhymes.

This is a different kind of war. It's going to go on forever. It's like trying to go to war with convenience store or bank robbery. Anybody can be a terrorist. It's not like you have to enlist with Al-Quaeda or something. Most of the time, you don't know who your enemy is until they've done their damage and are dead. Trying to globally hunt down terror is a pipe dream.

By the way, Muscle E Mac. You have over 50 posts. You should join a dorm.

[Oberon Storm]

That may be true, but at least we can minimize it. If we can abolish it all together, which i know will never happen, then I think we won, right?

That's just it. It won't happen. All you can do is what we have always done. Freeze assest. Use intel to kee tabs. Stop them before they accomplish a specific mission. 9-11 was a cluster fuck of beauracracy. Some of those hijackers were on the watch list. Had we been on our toes and memos gotten where they need to get it would not have happened.

[Black Knight]

Since when did the United States torture people? I thought I heard the terror groups torturing AMERICANS. But, I guess in your mind, I'm wrong.

That's because you are an IDIOT

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4855930/[/url]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5024068/

http://www.truthout....5/030105A.shtml

http://www.november....aking2/HRW.html

God, you're stupid.

By the way, Muscle E Mac. You have over 50 posts. You should join a dorm.

I hope he doesn't end up in Wifi...

[Oberon Storm]

Easy BK. Don't go and get yourself in trouble.

[Black Knight]

It's just that his lack of respect for human lives, lust to see people die, fanatical patriotism, poor spelling, lack of proper arguments, and utter stupidity make me sick.

[Wanchimaera]

Had we been on our toes and memos gotten where they need to get it would not have happened.

It's amazing what paying attention can do.

[Korhend]

It's just that his lack of respect for human lives, lust to see people die, fanatical patriotism, poor spelling, lack of proper arguments, and utter stupidity make me sick.

This may all be true, but that doesn't mean you have to stoop to a lower level. I'm letting you off with a warning this time, because we all get pissed from time to time. But next time you feel that way, try leaving for a few moments and calm down, before posting.

[Black Knight]

I have told people that I RESPECT human life.

How about your comment about dropping a nuclear bomb on Iraq and bombing their cities some more?

Because i can easily call you a nerd or something but I'm not going to go down to your level. I already know, I already had a source, I just forgot.

What are you talking about?

[Black Knight]

You say I don't think, just do?...And you're evidence behind this is?

Come on, I always provide proof; where's yours?

[Reflectionist]

This looks like it will turn into another fight similar to the one Korhend and I had... well, the one I had with Korhend, he didn't really do anythnig... lol

By the way, i posted on the bottom of the second page... i guess muscle e mac posted right after i did, so nobody saw it.

[Black Knight]

My proof is my memory, I never loose things up here. Once it's here, it will always be here.

So... you're basically saying that you make everything up? That would explain all your specious arguments and ideas.

Me providing proof:

Proof:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4855930/

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5024068/

http://www.truthout....5/030105A.shtml

http://www.november....aking2/HRW.html

It's just that his lack of respect for human lives, lust to see people die, fanatical patriotism, poor spelling, lack of proper arguments, and utter stupidity make me sick.

Following up with proof:

How about your comment about dropping a nuclear bomb on Iraq and bombing their cities some more?

By the way, you cocky moron, Canada defeated your "unstoppable" country in the war of 1812 when the US tried to invade us. How typical of power-hungry Americans.

Quote:
Originally Posted by PROOF
Campaigns of 1812-13

U.S. forces were not ready for war, and American hopes of conquering Canada collapsed in the campaigns of 1812 and 1813. The initial plan called for a three-pronged offensive: from Lake Champlain to Montreal; across the Niagara frontier; and into Upper Canada from Detroit. The attacks were uncoordinated, however, and all failed. In the West, Gen. William HULL surrendered Detroit to the British in August 1812; on the Niagara front, American troops lost the Battle of Queenston Heights in October; and along Lake Champlain the American forces withdrew in late November without seriously engaging the enemy.

American frigates won a series of single-ship engagements with British frigates, and American privateers continually harried British shipping. The captains and crew of the frigates CONSTITUTION and United States became renowned throughout America. Meanwhile, the British gradually tightened a blockade around America's coasts, ruining American trade, threatening American finances, and exposing the entire coastline to British attack.

American attempts to invade Canada in 1813 were again unsuccessful. There was a standoff at Niagara, and an elaborate attempt to attack Montreal by a combined operation involving one force advancing along Lake Champlain and another sailing down the Saint Lawrence River from Lake Ontario failed at the end of the year. The only success was in the West. The Americans won control of the Detroit frontier region when Oliver Hazard PERRY's ships destroyed the British fleet on Lake Erie (Sept. 10, 1813). This victory forced the British to retreat eastward from the Detroit region, and on Oct. 5, 1813, they were overtaken and defeated at the battle of the Thames (Moraviantown) by an American army under the command of Gen. William Henry HARRISON. In this battle the great Shawnee chief TECUMSEH, who had harassed the northwestern frontier since 1811, was killed while fighting on the British side.  

[Wanchimaera]

Having a source works.
As a conservative myself, I know what you're talking about, but the non-conservatives probably aren't going to see it the way you see it and probably aren't going to take it the way you meant it. I have to omit the conservative fanatacism from my posts because only the conservatives understand what I mean. As for liberals, I can't speak for them because I'm not one.

[Black Knight]

Hey, I'm a conservative too (well, canadian conservative; the conservative party up here is almost as much a bunch of hippies as the liberals ).

[Wanchimaera]

Hey, the last thing I want to do is insult anybody. Canada is just way to cold for me. The American Constitution Party, a very conservative party, is also anti-Iraq war.

[Korhend]

So is the extreme Right Wing party the AFP

[Alakhriveion]

BK, calm down.

[Wanchimaera]

So is the extreme Right Wing party the AFP

I'm assuming you're talking about the American Fascist Party. Also anti-Iraq war.

Foreign Policy:  Although we are not isolationists, the AFP belief is that our best foreign policy is to stay at home.

[Archaic Sage]

BK, you seem like any other liberal that doesn't tell the truth. You remind me of the media, saying only bad to get ahead but leaving the good out of things. Your canadian conservative party acts just like you if you say they are like liberals. So anyways, tell me what do youthink we shoudl do in Iraq? You still haven't answered yet, probably because you don't know how. (Click the 'Post Quick Reply' button.)

Can you not see the sources that she is giving you? She has given plenty of unbias sources to counter your arguments. You are the one who is not paying attention.