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[Reflectionist]

I meant exactly what Korhend said. The man said both things, he can't agree with both of them. But everything is within 2-4 days of each other... And it's not my place to clarify which claim he made was / is wrong. So, leave that to him. It is not my business. But it is surely bad debating etiquette (sp?) to say one thing, and then say another. Repeatedly.

Off the subject...

That you like or dislike Bush has nothing to do with whether or not you support the War in Iraq. Bush has done other things that people may find are a reason to hate him (i.e., No Child Left Behind, the Patriot Act, etc.) If you disagree with the majority of Bush's decisions, you may still support some of them.

And in 1940, every German loved Hitler to death because he passed the Enabling act, and started an unprovoked war with Poland.

The US has a volunteer army. They did not force anyone into it, so obviously, the majority of the people there agree with it.

Well, the draft is a big enough foreshadow of fear for my friends leaving High School this year. So it will probably be a goal soon in der fuhrer Bush's administration.

[Wanchimaera]

If I say, "The dog is red" and "The dog is blue" at least one must be false.

Unless the dog was red yesterday and blue today. I know, it's a bad example, but what if someone sees an error in their judgement and changes their mind?

Well, the draft is a big enough foreshadow of fear for my friends leaving High School this year. So it will probably be a goal soon in der fuhrer Bush's administration.

You realize, when you make the statement Bush=Hitler, saying that Bush is no worse than Hitler, you're also saying that Hitler was no worse than Bush, which is just simply not true.

[Reflectionist]

ah i see, surely you are another expert on i have little to no proof on how much Bush is like Hilter and vice versa.

http://forums.legend...read.php?t=4144

try. me.

[Octorok]

And in 1940, every German loved Hitler to death because he passed the Enabling act, and started an unprovoked war with Poland.

Not all Germans loved Hitler. Just as not all Americans love Bush.

Well, the draft is a big enough foreshadow of fear for my friends leaving High School this year. So it will probably be a goal soon in der fuhrer Bush's administration.

So you're saying that their fear of the draft makes them want to join the army?

[Reflectionist]

So you're saying that their fear of the draft makes them want to join the army?

No, the fear of the draft makes them hate Bush because they don't agree with the war in Iraq.

Not all Germans loved Hitler. Just as not all Americans love Bush.

Thank you, that was my point.

[Octorok]

No, the fear of the draft makes them hate Bush because they don't agree with the war in Iraq.

How exactly does that refute my argument that people can hate Bush but still support the War in Iraq?

[Wanchimaera]

ah i see, surely you are another expert on i have little to no proof on how much Bush is like Hilter and vice versa.

I'm not sure you understand my point. We're talking about a man who conciously had millions of people murdered for the sake of ethnic cleansing. Comparing Bush to Hitler is a slap in the face to all those Jews who suffered and died for...being Jewish (not to mention all the Slavs that died). Tell me, when has Bush done anything bad enough to where you could compare it with the Holocaust?

[Reflectionist]

How exactly does that refute my argument that people can hate Bush but still support the War in Iraq?

Well, if you hate Bush at this point in the game, it pretty much is about Iraq.

I'm not sure you understand my point. We're talking about a man who conciously had millions of people murdered for the sake of ethnic cleansing. Comparing Bush to Hitler is a slap in the face to all those Jews who suffered and died for...being Jewish (not to mention all the Slavs that died). Tell me, when has Bush done anything bad enough to where you could compare it with the Holocaust?

Jeez, dude, did you not see the LINK I provided? Here let me quote my own thread so you have no excuse to deny the facts.

Lately we're being told that it's either (a) inappropriate or (B) untrue to refer to Bush's illegitimate junta as Nazi, neo-Nazi or neofascist. Because, you know, you're not necessarily a Nazi just because you seize power like one, take advantage of a national Reichstag Fire-like tragedy like one, build concentration and death camps like one, start unprovoked wars like one, Red-bait your liberal opponents like one or create a national security apparatus that behaves like something a Nazi would create and even has a Nazi-sounding name. All of those people who see a little Adolf in the not-so-bright eyes of America's homeland-grown despot are just imagining things.
Me, I'm catching it for this week's cartoon for daring to suggest that, well--you know.
Of course, there are differences. Hitler, for example, was legally elected. And he had a plan--not one that I like, but a plan--for the period after the war.
I'll be happy to stop comparing Bush to Hitler when he stops acting like him.

Reichstag / 9/11. There is some speculation that Bush's administration knew about 9/11 before it happened. And it is proven that Hitler started the Riechstag fire. But they still rushed in to help the country, and lashed out at the most unsuspecting race / ethnic / religious group they could. Bush - the Islams. Hitler - the Jews.

Now I could go on.... Poland / Iraq... Patriot Act / Enabling Act.... Dachau / Guantanamo...Kristallnacht / destruction of Iraqi Museums in 2003....

Wake up to the world. Bush IS Hitler. The deaths are coming.
http://www.iraqbodycount.net/ says that the U.S. has currently killed 23,005 Iraqi Civilians in Iraq. The deaths are fucking coming.

[Reflectionist]

Reflectionist, do you even know what you're talking about?

Yes, did you forget?

How did you get on the subject of Bush when i'm talking about the iraq war?

Who started the unprovoked war with Iraq? If somebody else is to blame, I'll be happy to compare them to Hitler.

Now, when have I EVER contradicted myself?

Now you're just pissing me off, because I told you EXACTLY where you contradicted yourself. You even pointed it out later on in your post.

In your prayer book/bible, it says that it is okay to kill IN TIMES OF WAR IF YOU ARE INVOLVED IN THE WAR

Prove it. I proved where it says exactly the opposite of that.

Just because I don't like my president doesn't mean that I don't like the Iraqi war. Those are two different topics that should be discussed separately. The U.S. might have known that 9-11 was to happen, but did they stop it? No, because they didn't have enough time.

Ok, there buddy, you hate Bush, but you like the chaos Bush started... And you like it that they're killing Iraqi Civilians?

www.iraqbodycount.net, if i need to say it again, i will be pissed. You think that God is fine with this? I would seriously doubt it.

Do you now understand me?

Do you understand you? I understand you fine, most of the time. I don't agree with anything you say though, besides any religious topic we'd get into.

I said that it isn't killing in your prayer book/bible, NOT THE WAR! Sure, it is killing in war, but that's what war contains. Right?

"Prayer Book / Bible?" What is that supposed to mean? Define "It." "Sure, it is killing in war, but that's what war contains." You just said I could do that. Don't trip over your words dude. I don't trip over mine. Is this a conservative trait? Bush does it.


Now - to anybody else.

READ WHAT I TYPE. This is twice now I've had to restate something I've said before. This pisses me off. Either you don't take the time to read what is being said to you, or you choose to ignore it, and hope that I forget and say otherwise, as most of you have done. I'M NOT LIKE THAT.


Edit- I don't like Hitler. And in all due respect, you're the one who is conservative, like he was. Not me. I know too many people who ARE Jewish. Don't insult me ever again. It's sad when you have to resort to that. Maybe you should see the other link I posted. The one where I PROVED Bush's similarities to Hitler. Poland / Iraq.... Guantanamo / Dachau... remember?

About the six million opposed to 20,000.... Bush isn't dead yet. He isn't done. That number will go up in the next few days, just watch. I'll bet that if a Republican gets elected next, then yes, the numbers could possibly get up so high, that there will even be a name for this... "War on Terrorism" that will sound more nazi than Bush.

For your information, which I see now is pointless to even say, as you will say otherwise, I happen to Hate both Hitler and Bush. And you're starting to sound like them and Joseph Stalin, who all hae in common that they Hate anybody who disagrees with them.

[Korhend]

Unless the dog was red yesterday and blue today. I know, it's a bad example, but what if someone sees an error in their judgement and changes their mind?

True, I have no problem with someone saying "I was wrong, the dog is red" or saying that it changes colors. However Muscle E Mac has done little to clear up this confusion. In fact, he claims there is no contradiction.

[Wanchimaera]

Do you realize that over 30,000 Jews were gunned down at Babi Yar in ONE DAY, including women and children? They were all lined up, stripped of their clothing, and marched to the edge of a ravine, where they were shot in the back with the force of the gunshot sending them down the ravine. They did this to women and children. Bush is nowhere near the monster that Hitler was.

Edit- I don't like Hitler. And in all due respect, you're the one who is conservative, like he was. Not me. I know too many people who ARE Jewish. Don't insult me ever again. It's sad when you have to resort to that. Maybe you should see the other link I posted. The one where I PROVED Bush's similarities to Hitler. Poland / Iraq.... Guantanamo / Dachau... remember?

1. It's called a guilt by association fallacy. Hitler was conservative-authoritarian. I am conservative-libertarian. I could turn the statement around by saying that Stalin was liberal like you are.
2. I didn't insult you. I clearly targeted the comment.
3. Poland didn't know a month beforehand that Hitler was going to attack. Iraq did, could've stopped it, and didn't.

[Reflectionist]

I wasn't talking to you. I was talking to him.

[Black Knight]

Iraq did, could've stopped it, and didn't.

They couldn't stop it since there were no weapons of mass destruction to disarm.

[Wanchimaera]

If Saddam Hussein had stepped down and placed someone with a clean(er) record, there wouldn't have been an invasion. WMD was just the selling point. It wasn't ever really about that. This was Bush vs. Hussein - Round 3.

Round One:
Iraq invaded Kuwait, Bush #1 bombed Iraq, Iraq surrendered.

Round Two:
Saddam allegedly sent an assassin to take out Bush #1, but the assassin failed.

Round Three:
Bush #2 declared war on Iraq and removed Saddam from power. Unfortunately for Bush, he had to have an reason (excuse) to go to war, thus the WMD excuse was made. It worked because it had been proven that Saddam had used banned weapons before and was persistant in his breaking of U.N. resolutions.




Thank you for reading. Your I.Q. has just dropped 50 points as a result.

[Korhend]

Thats...a really good point. It worked during WWII. They installed Bodoglio a man of the same party but without a record, and it allowed a truce.

[Wanchimaera]

If I remember correctly, that was Bush's ultimatum.

[Octorok]

you have no excuse to deny the facts.

Your idiotic Bush=Hitler theory is not fact. It is an opinion. Now don't try to come back and say you "proved it" in your radically liberal thread based on that theory.

Bush IS Hitler

I can tell you that neither I, nor any member of my Jewish family think anything of this sort. What you're saying is basically devaluing the lives of the 6 million people that died in the Holocaust. So just shut up about Bush being Hitler or being like Hitler. You can say all you want about how you hate Bush, but what your doing is flat out disrespectful to Holocaust victims. And whatever you do, don't try to argue that its just my family that thinks this way, cause it's not. Most Jews i know fell the very same way on this issue.

[Reflectionist]

for the last f*****g time, do not accuse me. DO NOT F*****G ACCUSE ME.

I haven't done anything to you. It's that MORON Bush doing everything. He's following in Hitler's footsteps and you fail to realize that BUSH IS NOT DONE. you compare six million to twenty thousand and act like it's the final result but it's not! DON'T YOU GET IT? You're so f*****g stupid and wrapped up in your God Bless America mentality that has been shoved up your bums, and down your throats for years and I'm f*****g sick of it. And sick of you. How typical of an American to hate, yes, H-A-T-E and I do NOT use that term lightly, ANYBODY who has the nerve to OPPOSE THEM.

Now, no more bullspit. Debate like humans, not primates.

If anybody personally attacks me again, I swear I will have this f*****g thread closed. I've dealed with too many of them, and I'm a bit tired right now.

[Black Knight]

Your idiotic Bush=Hitler theory is not fact. It is an opinion. Now don't try to come back and say you "proved it" in your radically liberal thread based on that theory.

A theory cannot "be" fact as you said, or it would be a law. You're right, it is an opinion, which he is entitled to. Reflectionist's idea is based on observations; it is not pulled out of nowwhere and is not idiotic. This idea is obviously not a "fact", since Bush is not the reincarnation of Hitler, he is used as a comparison. There is no way for Reflectionist to "prove" that Bush is Hitler, he can only support his opinion.

I can tell you that neither I, nor any member of my Jewish family think anything of this sort. What you're saying is basically devaluing the lives of the 6 million people that died in the Holocaust. So just shut up about Bush being Hitler or being like Hitler. You can say all you want about how you hate Bush, but what your doing is flat out disrespectful to Holocaust victims. And whatever you do, don't try to argue that its just my family that thinks this way, cause it's not. Most Jews i know fell the very same way on this issue.

How is he devaluing the lives of the people that died in the holocaust? I can tell you that I, and members of my Polish family which also suffered through Hitler's evil, see the similarities between Bush and Hitler. My country was invaded by Hitler, claiming that Poland was dangerous. He sent my grandparents and relatives to concentration camps, which is the reason that my family is so small now. Jews were not the only ones that died then, they just complain about it more.

I don't find Reflectionist disrespectful at all. My relatives, and much of my family is dead. There is nothing I can do about it, except to try and prevent this type of massacre from happening again. Don't dwell in the past.

So just shut up about Bush being Hitler or being like Hitler

Everyone has a right to an opinion; it's a free country (for now, at least). I agree with Reflectionist; Bush is just Diet Hitler.

[Reflectionist]

Thank you for reading. Your I.Q. has just dropped 50 points as a result.

Damn, now I only have a 125.... lol

[Reflectionist]

I live in Missouri.

[Octorok]

How is it disrepectful? This is an attitude I've never understood, using Hitler as a prior example of what coud happen again shows a lot of respect for what occurred. It shows it won't be forgotten, like a lot of other genocides have been.

This is disrespectul because it makes Hitler seem like someone who merely started a war. He did much more than than that. He killed 6 million civilians.

Apart from that though, I pretty much agree with most of the stuff you said

Jews were not the only ones that died then, they just complain about it more.

I think they have the right to complain, as they were the largest single group of people killed in the Holocaust.

How typical of an American to hate, yes, H-A-T-E and I do NOT use that term lightly, ANYBODY who has the nerve to OPPOSE THEM.

You're the one that keeps swearing at me for my beliefs, yet I'm supposed to be the hateful one?

Now, no more bullshit. Debate like humans, not primates

We all are, except for you. You can barely go one sentence without using profanity, and at the moment, I'm not sure if you can use any adjective other than the word "f**king".

[Reflectionist]

You're the one that keeps swearing at me for my beliefs, yet I'm supposed to be the hateful one?

We all are, except for you. You can barely go one sentence without using profanity, and at the moment, I'm not sure if you can use any adjective other than the word "f**king".

Not talking to you. But you're the one that just attacked me, I never attacked you. Did I? Everytime, or, nearly everytime you've come at me with a retort to something I've said to somebody else, I tell you that I'm not talking to you.

This is disrespectul because it makes Hitler seem like someone who merely started a war. He did much more than than that. He killed 6 million civilians.

No, you don't get it. I'm not bringing Hitler down. That guy was horrible. I realize what he did. What part of 'Bush Isn't Done" do you not get, dude?

[Selena]

Really, just calm down about the Hitler/Bush thing. You aren't exactly being civil yourself swearing like a maniac because someone doesn't agree. Just because they don't agree does not mean they are 'brainwashed by the Man' or whatever you're ranting about. I don't agree with your entire theory, either, and I'm more left wing than anything.


I agree there's some similarities, but then again... why wouldn't there be? He wanted to go to war, and gave us the excuse of defending our country when there was nothing to really defend against. That's not necessarily being like Hitler. That's being a politician (which is probably worse). What would you really expect him to say in this kind of situation? "I don't like Iraq, so we're gonna blow it up just because." I wouldn't think so. That kind of attitude isn't exactly limited to just Hitler.


It's not a GOOD situation we're in by any means, but it's certainly not as bad as the WWII scenario. At least not yet. If he really was wanting to be like Hitler, he's doing a piss poor job of it. What you're saying is just a....TAD extreme at this point.

[Korhend]

This is disrespectul because it makes Hitler seem like someone who merely started a war. He did much more than than that. He killed 6 million civilians.

12 million actually, but yeah I agreee with the point. If you gave any Jew living in germany, Serb living in croatia, or Russian living in the occupied territories the option to go to Iraq today, they would hop at the opportunity.

EDIT: Thanks Octorok

[Octorok]

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