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[Alakhriveion]

Well, the laws in there apply only to Jews.

As for "every sperm is sacred" yeah, but the idea is that you at least give them a chance. It's really hard for fertelize from within a Kleenex. It's stupid, I know. Just being the devil's advocate here.

[SOAP]

Oh.

I find it funny how some people, like my old Baptist youth leader, say Leviticus only applies to Jews--like not being able to eat pork, shave, or wear polyester--but then say some of it's laws still apply to modern day Christians--like same-gender sex.

[arunma]

The Torah can apply to Christians too. It just has to be properly interpreted fron a New Testament perspective.

[Alakhriveion]

Oh.

I find it funny how some people, like my old Baptist youth leader, say Leviticus only applies to Jews--like not being able to eat pork, shave, or wear polyester--but then say some of it's laws still apply to modern day Christians--like same-gender sex.

That's what I always say. Eating pigs offends God as much as or more than the buttsex, and last I checked, it's not the Almighty's style to let you pick which ones you want to follow and which you don't.

As for the specific three you mentioned, it's not polyester, I think, but any fabrics mixed together. For some reason, this really, really, really angers god.

"There are two things you find a lot in the Bible: Wine, and shit that's hard to believe. I bet I know which came first." -Some guy from the Teevee

[SOAP]

The Torah can apply to Christians too.  It just has to be properly interpreted fron a New Testament perspective.

Which is to pick and choose what rules apply and which don't. Christians despise gays but they like hot dogs and mixed fabrics. From there it's just a matter of selectively reading.

[Alakhriveion]

Which is to pick and choose what rules apply and which don't. Christians despise gays but they like hot dogs and mixed fabrics. From there it's just a matter of selectively reading.

What about... Kosher hot dogs?

[arunma]

Which is to pick and choose what rules apply and which don't. Christians despise gays but they like hot dogs and mixed fabrics. From there it's just a matter of selectively reading.

Uh, we don't pick and choose. The New Testament is pretty clear about which rules are still in effect. By the way, you need to stop making such dangerous presumptions. Christians don't *hate* gays. My church is against both homosexuality and violence against gays.

As for hot dogs, I'm a vegetarian. But I do wear clothes with mixed fabrics.

[Alakhriveion]

Uh, we don't pick and choose. The New Testament is pretty clear about which rules are still in effect. By the way, you need to stop making such dangerous presumptions. Christians don't *hate* gays. My church is against both homosexuality and violence against gays.

Some of them do. Also, the New Testament say the wife-beating laws are still in effect, so it may be time for an update. Where's a prophet when you need one?

[SOAP]

Uh, we don't pick and choose. The New Testament is pretty clear about which rules are still in effect. By the way, you need to stop making such dangerous presumptions. Christians don't *hate* gays. My church is against both homosexuality and violence against gays.

Oh, and Christians don't make the same dangerous presumptions about Muslims, Mormons, and Wiccans? How is calling these people Pawns of Satan, to the youth group no less, a part of Jesus's teachings?

As for hot dogs, I'm a vegetarian.  But I do wear clothes with mixed fabrics.

Then you are a sinner and must repent and stop wearing mixed fabrics.

[Wanchimaera]

Oh, and Christians don't make the same dangerous presumptions about Muslims, Mormons, and Wiccans? How is calling these people Pawns of Satan, to the youth group no less, a part of Jesus's teachings?

That is a generalization. Unfortunately, there are too many Christians who condemn the sinner, when it is the sin (and they too, are sinners) that should be the focus and not the sinner. Jesus preached a message love, not hate.

Uh, we don't pick and choose. The New Testament is pretty clear about which rules are still in effect. By the way, you need to stop making such dangerous presumptions. Christians don't *hate* gays. My church is against both homosexuality and violence against gays.

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[Alakhriveion]

That is a generalization. Unfortunately, there are too many Christians who condemn the sinner, when it is the sin (and they too, are sinners) that should be the focus and not the sinner. Jesus preached a message love, not hate.

Well, I know that, but it's sometimes hard to tell from the outside looking in.

[SOAP]

How is it a sin to call God by a different name, gender, or in any other concept that entirely differs from the Christian prospective of God? I'm not talking about hating the sinner. I'm talking hating anyone who's beliefs are different from yours.

[arunma]

Also, the New Testament say the wife-beating laws are still in effect, so it may be time for an update.

Uh, no it doesn't. Where'd you get that?

Then you are a sinner and must repent and stop wearing mixed fabrics.

I'm pretty sure I already explained to you why Christians don't obey the Torah. Did you read my post? Or would you like references?

How is it a sin to call God by a different name, gender, or in any other concept that entirely differs from the Christian prospective of God? I'm not talking about hating the sinner. I'm talking hating anyone who's beliefs are different from yours.

This is a different subject altogether. But as long as you brought it up, how is it "hating" to believe that other religions are wrong? This is a common assumption in modern day society, which is thoroughly addicted to relativism. According to this worldview, if you don't accept another person's beliefs as equally valid as your own, you're a bigot who hates all people of said belief. And that very idea is fallacious.

[Wanchimaera]

Well, I know that, but it's sometimes hard to tell from the outside looking in.

That's the problem that I was talking about.

Some of them do. Also, the New Testament say the wife-beating laws are still in effect, so it may be time for an update. Where's a prophet when you need one?

Did you mean the Qu'ran? (it's 004.034) http://www.usc.edu/d...an/004.qmt.html

*eats hot dog*

[Alakhriveion]

Uh, no it doesn't. Where'd you get that?

New York Times. I got a citation somewhere... I'll find it at some point. My point is about interpretation.

[arunma]

New York Times. I got a citation somewhere... I'll find it at some point. My point is about interpretation.

Sorry dude, it's not in there. I've read the entire New Testament, and it isn't in there. In fact, it says that men have to treat their wives with kindness, and stuff (it also says that we aren't allowed to deny sex to our women). NY Times citation or not, if you can't find it in the Bible, it obviously doesn't exist.

[Wanchimaera]

it also says that we aren't allowed to deny sex to our women

Now, how can people blame us for picking and choosing which parts of the Bible we like to believe when it says things like that?

[Goose]

I'll destroy your argument later, for now I have to go to work, but note, I will destroy your argument.

[Alakhriveion]

Sorry dude, it's not in there. I've read the entire New Testament, and it isn't in there. In fact, it says that men have to treat their wives with kindness, and stuff (it also says that we aren't allowed to deny sex to our women). NY Times citation or not, if you can't find it in the Bible, it obviously doesn't exist.

My point is, for the umptillionth time, it's all about how you read it. Some interperetations are dumber than others, but a good number as valid as the stard ones. There are passages in all parts of it that have been used to justefy wife-beating, racism, and pretty much anything. That said, lines on homosexuality should be put in a more modern light. I'm reapeating myself way too often.

[Tekky]

Here is a question I have wondered about. Christians believe they were created by God, and that He has a plan laid out for them. Also, Sexuality is considered to be a beautiful gift from God. Now, if a Christian is gay, and gays do not inherit the kingdom of God (according to Corinthians) then how does that work? If they believe they were created by God... You could argue that it is homosexual acts themselves rather than being homosexual itself, but then doesnt that surely mean you are being denied the greatest gift of all, sexuality? After all, you cannot pick who you are sexually attracted to...

[Meep]

Christianity long taught that celibacy and abstaining from the sexual act was better than performing the sexual act, even in marriage, according to my Ethics teacher. But what I'm getting at is that Christianity doesn't condemn gay people for being gay, it welcomes them so long as they don't commit homosexual acts.

Well, Catholicism taught celibacy was better than sex in wedlock but Protestant churches believe that sex brings couples closer together.

[arunma]

Nope. The Bible commands married people to have regular sex. See, it's right here in 1 Corinthians 7:5. "Do not deprive each other except by mutual consent and for a time, so that you may devote yourselves to prayer. Then come together again so that Satan will not tempt you because of your lack of self-control."

[Goose]

See Alaks point? Everybody can pick out passages from the Bible that most suit their purpose. If I wanted to be a sexist bastardo, I could just refer to Sirach. (Who might just be the most sexist man ever.)

[Zythe]

Here is a question I have wondered about. Christians believe they were created by God, and that He has a plan laid out for them. Also, Sexuality is considered to be a beautiful gift from God. Now, if a Christian is gay, and gays do not inherit the kingdom of God (according to Corinthians) then how does that work? If they believe they were created by God... You could argue that it is homosexual acts themselves rather than being homosexual itself, but then doesnt that surely mean you are being denied the greatest gift of all, sexuality? After all, you cannot pick who you are sexually attracted to...

You probably can. Meh.

[Alakhriveion]

You probably can. Meh.

The evidence is against it being a choice.

[Zythe]

Well, I am only 14, but can people not just decide to be straight or gay? Or can only bi people do that? I mean, the "default" setting is straight, but like Phoebe's 1st husband on Friends, can you not just choose as a way of fitting in? Meh, I'm too young to consider this stuff anyway.

[Alakhriveion]

Man, everyone here is much younger than I would expect them to be. First Alak, then you...

I get this too often. It's easier to pretend I'm older.

Aw, damn. Now living in my parents house, not having a job, and watching cartoons looks a lot worse.

Back on topic...

Well, I am only 14, but can people not just decide to be straight or gay? Or can only bi people do that? I mean, the "default" setting is straight, but like Phoebe's 1st husband on Friends, can you not just choose as a way of fitting in? Meh, I'm too young to consider this stuff anyway.

No. You're born they way you are- there's some question about gay and straight being absolutes, but that's a seperate issue.

And "Friends" will rot your brain.

[Oberon Storm]

Well, I am only 14, but can people not just decide to be straight or gay? Or can only bi people do that?

It doesn't really work that way. They don't just decide to be attracted to the same sex. Bisexuals can't just change their mind every week and choose to be attracted to a different sex.

"Friends" is a television show. I don't think too many people would switch teams just to fit in.

[Wanchimaera]

I'll destroy your argument later, for now I have to go to work, but note, I will destroy your argument.

See Alaks point? Everybody can pick out passages from the Bible that most suit their purpose. If I wanted to be a sexist bastardo, I could just refer to Sirach. (Who might just be the most sexist man ever.)

Um...
If you were replying to my previous post, you do realize that it was supposed to be a joke, right? (I even went through the effort to put in the smiley.)